Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #37

[nwmouse]

Maybe he was speeding thru red lights, but if so, it was because he knew his goose was getting cooked and he wasn't ready.

Or he needed to get to the bathroom in a hurry because his bowels were clenching as he knew he'd be in deep trouble.

 

[gitana1]

Thank you for replying Gitana! Those are good points I had not considered they might claim. Our psychology professionals on the board previously said they saw no evidence of psychotic behavior because of his interviews but I would not be surprised if the defense will have experts examine CW and try to make some claims of him having some temporary mental illness. Could they say the Thrive patches prevented him from sleeping for several days in a row leading him to commit the murders? Once the murders were over he removed his Thrive patch and slept like a baby at the Thayers house? It's heinous but now I could see that line of reasoning being used.

They can try. They can say the same thing about SW as well.

 

[gitana1]

Any omissions were due to lack of knowledge, not purposeful misleading.

Thank you for your input, though.

I do believe @gitana1 posted something about this topic and the myths and truths. Perhaps she will offer more information. I just know my son's killer survived; I can't speak to his quality of life inside, besides what I've already mentioned (and don't care on account of he killed my child).

Yeah it's very rare to hear of child killers being harmed in prison. Mostly they keep people segregated and protected in different sections.

Regardless, I'm about constitutional justice. Not prison justice.

 

[NuttMegg]

The only way to prove she lied (I don't believe she did) would be to put her doctor and her midwife on the stand and have them reveal what they discussed about the patches. I have a hard time thinking that a judge would find that relevant to this case. It would not go toward proving that CW is telling the truth about the girls' deaths. Their deaths had nothing to do with the safety of Thrive or what SW talked about with her doctor. Jmo.

That's what I don't understand, either. What would it have to do with the case? What, specifically, would the defense be trying to prove?

 

[Tippy Lynn]

As to the bolded portion of your post:

However, we don’t yet know the details of the autopsy report. We don’t know anything about prior Internet searches or lack thereof. We don’t know about prior texts or conversations between the couple. We don’t know anything about DNA findings or other findings in the home other than what LE has made public.


It is true, that WE don't know any of the above evidence. However the detectives do. And the DA does. And after they gathered that info, they charged the defendant with 5 Capital One Murders. That tells me that those things, listed above, do not swing in CW's favor, IMO.

They charged CW prior to having the autopsy reports, internet searches, dna, and texts/emails.
jmo

 

[MsBetsy]

Imo I use the garage to enter my home most of the time . I also latch my door at night as a security measure I only release the latch when I am going for a walk with my puppy , getting the mail or expecting company If he did not expect NUA why latch it? I find it more evidence of concern from her friend bc it appeared SW had not started her day. This latch may have been a nightly routine not a preplanned effort by him imo, he backed up the truck into the garage yes why not throw her purse in there he needed to make sure that wasn’t seen right ?, I don’t know if he hid the cell phone in a couch bc imo I would have destroyed it , taken battery out not hid between cushions of sofa but we hopefully will hear how it got there, the dump site was a work area he had access to and he may have left directly after it happened in panic, strangulation does not always take time. We do not know if cause of death was from a neck break during strangulation or aphixiation all of this moo moo

According to her friend, the latch on the door was not a usual thing and was something she had never encountered before. That was her first concern. Even if he was not expecting her, it makes sense that he would do it just as a precaution. If he was trying to hide something, why take any chances? As far as strangulation not taking a long time, of all the research I have seen, it takes 3 to 5 minutes to cause death. That is a pretty long time to spend trying to kill someone. Also in domestic violence, it is considered the preferred method because it gives the person the ultimate feeling of power and control. It is not how someone in a rage would normally kill the victim. Not to mention the fact that those precious minutes could have been used to try to save his children. Imo

 

[PommyMommy]

Ok. I just want to make sure I get this straight:

Shanann used a product that “could” be harmful to unborn babies.

If she used this product, she must have known that it was harmful to babies.

If she knew this product was harmful to babies, she must not have cared about the baby she was carrying.

If she didn’t care about the baby she was carrying, she didn’t care about her kids.

If she didn’t care about her kids, she could have killed her kids.

If she could have killed her kids, she did kill her kids.

Good luck to the defense!

That's a lot of if's. Way too many if's.
The jury would be completely lost with all those if's.
MOO

 

[MassGuy]

They charged CW prior to having the autopsy reports, internet searches, dna, and texts/emails.
jmo

They did. The evidence they had at the time was very strong. The didn’t need to wait for any of those things you listed.

 

[Mrspratcher]

I think one thing the defense will use is the fact that SW claimed on SM that both her midwife and OB gave their approval for her to wear the Thrive patches while pregnant. I find that very hard to believe. JMO

But why would that matter?

 

[bonjoviblonde]

Many are repeatedly saying they are waiting for more to come out.
jmo

Yes but I don't believe there is going to be a video of CW killing them all.

 

[MassGuy]

That's a lot of if's. Way too many if's. The jury would be completely lost with all those if's.
MOO

Precisely my point. The less assumptions one has to make, the better.

 

[NuttMegg]

According to her friend, the latch on the door was not a usual thing and was something she had never encountered before. That was her first concern. Even if he was not expecting her, it makes sense that he would do it just as a precaution. If he was trying to hide something, why take any chances? As far as strangulation not taking a long time, of all the research I have seen, it takes 3 to 5 minutes to cause death. That is a pretty long time to spend trying to kill someone. Also in domestic violence, it is considered the preferred method because it gives the person the ultimate feeling of power and control. It is not how someone in a rage would normally kill the victim. Not to mention the fact that those precious minutes could have been used to try to save his children. Imo

Even if he did come up the stairs right by where the kids were without noticing anything, the minute he (says he) saw Bella blue on the the monitor he would have scrambled to call 911.

 

[kkdj]

They charged CW prior to having the autopsy reports, internet searches, dna, and texts/emails.
jmo

Must have been pretty compelling evidence even without all of this! It's been my experience thru many different avenues that a DA will not press felony charges with their ducks in a row.

 

[MsBetsy]

Why did he hide the cell phone? How long before it ran out of battery? Maybe she charged it at the airport

He may not have hidden it at all. Maybe there was a struggle on the couch and it slipped between the cushions. At any rate, there may be evidence on the phone that is valuable, and luckily he did not get the chance to destroy it. Jmo

 

[katydid23]

In regard to autopsies I find it

Perhaps it was shock? panic? Perhaps he felt no one would believe him bc he had killed his wife. Perhaps he thought people will think I annihilated my whole family.

Panic? Isn't that exactly what his 'PANIC BUTTON' was designed for? He could have hit that button on his alarms system instantly, and help would be on it's way.

And at that point, he hadn't annihilated his entire family yet. He had no reason to worry about calling for help.

And he could have saved his 2nd child if he had called an ambulance to the scene immediately.

I can not fathom how this unfolded between this beautiful couple. I do not see any preplan by either of them for this to happen. I feel imo moo moo she had a lot to lose as well by him leaving and Imo I would think defense would present that. The prosecution imo may say she threatened him bc of separation I don’t know. But imo the bedding could have been used/stripped to carry them in. Carrying them downstairs perhaps the separste sheet was thrown away as a reaction because it was laying on the floor and dropped or slipped away . I am not sure but he made no attempt to conceal or hide any evidence .

I am not sure how we can say he made no attempt to hide any evidence. What was that sunrise drive to the dump site all about?

Ex. Had the sheet been in the back of a basement closet in a tub with her purse , phone etc it would imo further show planning an alibi.

What about the sheet being at the dump site, and away from the home? Is that evidence of anything?

Imo SW was well loved and extremely active on social media as well as with friends. Had the visit from NUA not happened he knew others were trying to contact her imo and would find it suspicious moo. He wasn’t rehearsed nor did he make it look as if she may have left him imo I believe he in panic mentioned her going to a friend’s bc there was no other reason they would not be there and it popped into his head. He imo knew it was suspicious. He knew he had killed his wife. He may have felt he had to engage in interviews and what would seem normal bc he didn’t feel normal after killing his wife, nor should he. He was immediately swept up in a whirlwind and now knew imo maybe he should have called 911 what should he do? He may have wanted to talk to his dad simply to make sure his dad heard it from him first imo we don’t know. Do we know how many interviews he had with police or the length of last interview?do we know if he went willingly?

He sounded rehearsed, and kind of flat, when he tried to feign concern for his missing family, imo. He did not appear to be in a panic, JMO.

 

[MyBelle]

Many are repeatedly saying they are waiting for more to come out.
jmo

yes, many of us are doing just that! jmo

 

[MassGuy]

Panic? Isn't that exactly what his 'PANIC BUTTON' was designed for? He could have hit that button on his alarms system instantly, and help would be on it's way.

And at that point, he hadn't annihilated his entire family yet. He had no reason to worry about calling for help.

And he could have saved his 2nd child if he had called an ambulance to the scene immediately.






I am not sure how we can say he made no attempt to hide any evidence. What was that sunrise drive to the dump site all about?



What about the sheet being at the dump site, and away from the home? Is that evidence of anything?





He sounded rehearsed, and kind of flat, when he tried to feign concern for his missing family, imo. He did not appear to be in a panic, JMO.

Great points. As to your last one, he probably searched on YouTube for grieving family members talking to the media about their missing loved ones.

Unfortunately, he must have watched Scott Peterson’s interview with Diane Sawyer.

Oopsies!

 

[katydid23]

I can't get over the fact that he disposed of the girls' bodies in such a way as to TRY and destroy any forensic evidence. JMOO

YES. He is supposedly innocent of strangling the babies, and the only forensics that can really prove that, was on those little necks. And within a few hours, he submerges them into a tank of crude oil. It doesn't sound like he wanted to preserve any of that evidence.

 

[MerryB]

They charged CW prior to having the autopsy reports, internet searches, dna, and texts/emails.
jmo

Yes, thank you Tippy.

 

[gitana1]

I don’t recall anyone saying this either. If you are able to provide a link, perhaps the issue can be more effectively addressed.

<modsnip - unnecessary> I wanted Amandaa's professional opinion.

 

[Amonet]

One thing I don't think anyone has mentioned; if his story was true (it isn't) not only should he have been grief stricken over the loss, but where were the signs of him feeling guilty for being a cause of what happened? Most people do that to some degree; "Oh my God! If I hadn't said that, or done that, this wouldn't have happened!" He showed no signs of guilt. He postured and preened. He exhibited dupers delight. He smiled and smirked. He stumbled a couple of times, but experts have said that was him trying to stay on story. Something very wrong there!

Yes, I think that's a very good point. He did seem wholly absorbed in getting away with it. No shock, no grief, no obvious worrying if he was doing the right thing in covering it up. I don't understand how anyone could go into that mode so completely within less than 3 hours after walking in on the scene he describes. One minute he's a happy family man, okay he wants a separation but the fact he's a dad and an expectant dad doesn't change due to marital woes...and then a few minutes later his entire world has collapsed in on itself and he's got nothing and no one, and all he can think of is to hide the bodies and pretend Shanann walked out on him? I think if someone went into shock and it was too much of a loss to immediately go into grief, that he'd have been sat there on the floor rocking back and forth for hours or days, not hiding the bodies and working out what to say to people to convince them he had nothing to do with it.

His absorption in trying to get away with it, or at least that's what I got from the interviews, is part of what made me fear from the first time I watched one of his interviews that he had killed them all. The more interviews I watched it just seemed more and more that that was exactly what was going on.