Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #37

[gitana1]

You obviously have your mind made up.

But the truth is, even if there are marks on those little girls’ necks from long acrylic fingernails (for example), the Prosecution (and people who already have their theories set in stone, like you) will say he put them there.

If there already is so much irrefutable evidence that he did it, why would the autopsy results potentially alter the charges?

JMO

They wouldn't and they won't. It wasn't those who feel he is guilty who have been suggesting the charges would be altered based on the autopsy results.

 

[human]

Good morning!

I've spend considerable time thinking about the difference in visibility of Shanann and Chris. We know a lot about her, before and after CW. We know very little either way, about him. He is not the norm. There should be school mates, co-workers, acquaintances, etc., that are unconnected enough, that LE doesn't care if they talk. But, there's not. It's almost as if, other than the crime, he doesn't exist. Even in SW's life he was more like a cardboard cut-out in the background, a prop. Other than an anonymous VI and an AP, what do we have? There may be significance in this when applied to the crime. Did he finally grow tired of being "no one", in his mind? Was husband and father not enough?

Anyway, perhaps we'll learn more from the trial.

My husband does zero SM.

 

[PommyMommy]

@Tippy Lynn

“If I could ask CW 3 questions that could only be answered truthfully I would ask:

Who killed the girls?

Why did you dump your daughters bodies into the oil tanks?

What was the reason for the 4am emotional conversation?


What would you ask?”


Quite frankly, I wouldn’t ask him anything. He’d only lie as he’s done before repeatedly. His concern is only for himself. I’m not interested in why or what because nothing can bring back SW and Nico or the babies he so heinously murdered. I just want the prosecutor to do his job and see that he’s imprisoned for the rest of his life.

Yes, quite pointless to ask questions of a proven liar. You might as well go question your sidewalk. What would you hope to gain? I guess you could ask, "Pizza or a burger for your last meal?"
MOO

 

[NuttMegg]

@Tippy Lynn

“If I could ask CW 3 questions that could only be answered truthfully I would ask:

Who killed the girls?

Why did you dump your daughters bodies into the oil tanks?

What was the reason for the 4am emotional conversation?


What would you ask?”


Quite frankly, I wouldn’t ask him anything. He’d only lie as he’s done before repeatedly. His concern is only for himself. I’m not interested in why or what because nothing can bring back SW and Nico or the babies he so heinously murdered. I just want the prosecutor to do his job and see that he’s imprisoned for the rest of his life.

He would never tell the truth anyway. He's the dregs of society, a person who murders babies, I just feel sorry for Coloradoans if they have to know he's down the road from them in maximum security getting free meals, housing, and medical care for decades. Which they pay for.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

You obviously have your mind made up.

But the truth is, even if there are marks on those little girls’ necks from long acrylic fingernails (for example), the Prosecution (and people who already have their theories set in stone, like you) will say he put them there.

If there already is so much irrefutable evidence that he did it, why would the autopsy results potentially alter the charges?

JMO

I’m convinced 99.9% that he murdered them all based on what we know so far, but once the trial begins and the evidence proves differently, I have no problem with saying I was wrong.

 

[Amandaaa]

But what happened to all the conjecture about how the state was asking the reports to be sealed because they didn't support the charges and thus SW's family was in town so the prosecution could gently break the news to them that the charges would be reduced or dismissed?

And what about the statement that the state requested the report be sealed because it needed time to develop new theories or investigate new angles due to unexpected findings in the report, even though the defense gets the report at essentially the same time?

Or did I have that wrong?

No conjecture - I just said I found it odd that they would request to seal based on possible tainting of a jury pool. That’s it. I never said anything about the prosecution breaking anything to SW’s family.

Then there was a discussion about the prosecution not having the report - and I simply offered that in my experience, not having the physical report did NOT mean they did not have much of the actual info that would end up in the report. That in my experience, they may get the REPORT around the same time, but the prosecution gets the INFORMATION (or a lot of it, anyway) in advance.

Then someone asked if I could think of a reason why they would be stalling or something similar and I offered that maybe they wanted a little extra time to look into something, a finding they didn’t expect. Or not... I have no clue, and I don’t think any of us could know that.

I STILL think it’s unusual to file a motion to seal on the grounds that it would taint the jury pool. No more, no less. I am very interested in the arguments set forth by the parties (and the media) regarding public injury, and even more interested to read the reports themselves.

I have no personal opinion regarding what is, or could be, in the reports - or for whether they had a reason other than the ones stated in the motion - or for whether the reports had anything unexpected.

 

[Layla123]

We just don’t know all of the evidence yet. Very little has been made public to date.

Many people feel they can firmly stand in the “guilty” camp based on what little we know (the fact that he admitted to killing his wife, disposing of their bodies, giving strange interviews afterward). I’m not discounting those things at all.

However, we don’t yet know the details of the autopsy report. We don’t know anything about prior Internet searches or lack thereof. We don’t know about prior texts or conversations between the couple. We don’t know anything about DNA findings or other findings in the home other than what LE has made public.

Some of us are reserving judgement until we know more. IMO it could go either way, depending on what the whole of the evidence shows.

JMO

How do I know C.W. murdered all 3? Mostly, I would say, it was his demeanor in first few days following the murders. If CW had suffered the shock of discovering that Shanann had strangled and murdered Bella and CeCe, he would have suffered a huge, devastating loss when the loves of his life were ripped away from him, as opposed to a feeling of accomplishment he would have felt, after carrying out a his well thought out plan to free himself from his ball and chain family that kept him from doing what he really wanted to be doing. I’ve seen many people in the first stages of grief. They can’t control their emotions. CW was not in grief. People experiencing grief are in shock, tears, uncontrollable outbursts of emotion, sorrow. CW showed none of that. He was in complete control of his emotions. He was concentrating on executing the final stages of his plan to annihilate his family.

 

[gitana1]

No conjecture - I just said I found it odd that they would request to seal based on possible tainting of a jury pool. That’s it. I never said anything about the prosecution breaking anything to SW’s family.

Then there was a discussion about the prosecution not having the report - and I simply offered that in my experience, not having the physical report did NOT mean they did not have much of the actual info that would end up in the report. That in my experience, they may get the REPORT around the same time, but the prosecution gets the INFORMATION (or a lot of it, anyway) in advance.

Then someone asked if I could think of a reason why they would be stalling or something similar and I offered that maybe they wanted a little extra time to look into something, a finding they didn’t expect. Or not... I have no clue, and I don’t think any of us could know that.

I STILL think it’s unusual to file a motion to seal on the grounds that it would taint the jury pool. No more, no less. I am very interested in the arguments set forth by the parties (and the media) regarding public injury, and even more interested to read the reports themselves.

I have no personal opinion regarding what is, or could be, in the reports - or for whether they had a reason other than the ones stated in the motion - or for whether the reports had anything unexpected.

So you never felt it was due to being worried about the reports somehow exonerating the defendant? Because many posts were inferring as much.

Do you feel it was a viable suspicion that the request to seal the reports was so that they could hide exonerating evidence from the public or so they would have time to gently let SW's family know they're reducing charges?

I just want to make sure I know where we are.

 

[gitana1]

We just don’t know all of the evidence yet. Very little has been made public to date.

Many people feel they can firmly stand in the “guilty” camp based on what little we know (the fact that he admitted to killing his wife, disposing of their bodies, giving strange interviews afterward). I’m not discounting those things at all.

However, we don’t yet know the details of the autopsy report. We don’t know anything about prior Internet searches or lack thereof. We don’t know about prior texts or conversations between the couple. We don’t know anything about DNA findings or other findings in the home other than what LE has made public.

Some of us are reserving judgement until we know more. IMO it could go either way, depending on what the whole of the evidence shows.

JMO

Many of us disagree that very little has been made public. There's an avalanche of evidence, IMO.

Of course I agree, there is much more to come.

But there's already so much.

 

[WildWest]

I'm wondering whether Shanann really wrote Chris' college paper about relationships. Maybe those were her thoughts about the danger of cheating with someone in the workplace and that a baby can sometimes help
a troubled marriage.

If this means anything, there are many different marriage/premarriage/troubled marriage courses out there. A bit different in content but his presentation is pretty much "cliff notes" version of some of those courses. Which leads me to wonder if they (or SW and 1st husband) took a premarital course and used it for his presentation. Also, that would tie into if SW wrote it why she knew the material too.

 

[JudgeJudi]

Here’s another prime example of the sort of person we’re dealing with here.

"Amanda Thayer said, "We spoke to Chris on Monday. He mentioned putting the house up for sale; him and Shanann had spoke about doing that."

He murdered them all only hours previously and he’s talking about selling the house!!!!!!!!!!! It's beyond disgusting. What sort of person is he? I really hope the Thayers testify.

Chris Watts case: Everything to know so far about the alleged murders of his wife, daughters

 

[Mrspratcher]

And then called and texted his wife the next day (or so he claims). Huh? I can't wait to hear those voicemails if they exist, because supposedly she killed his children...and he killed her...and he's calling her...why? To cover his a$$ of course. Just like he concealed the bodies in the most despicable manner imaginable. It all screams consciousness of guilt.
MOO

Right! Was that necessary?

I also wonder if he was really speeding through red lights when he knew his entire family was dead.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

No conjecture - I just said I found it odd that they would request to seal based on possible tainting of a jury pool. That’s it. I never said anything about the prosecution breaking anything to SW’s family.

Then there was a discussion about the prosecution not having the report - and I simply offered that in my experience, not having the physical report did NOT mean they did not have much of the actual info that would end up in the report. That in my experience, they may get the REPORT around the same time, but the prosecution gets the INFORMATION (or a lot of it, anyway) in advance.

Then someone asked if I could think of a reason why they would be stalling or something similar and I offered that maybe they wanted a little extra time to look into something, a finding they didn’t expect. Or not... I have no clue, and I don’t think any of us could know that.

I STILL think it’s unusual to file a motion to seal on the grounds that it would taint the jury pool. No more, no less. I am very interested in the arguments set forth by the parties (and the media) regarding public injury, and even more interested to read the reports themselves.

I have no personal opinion regarding what is, or could be, in the reports - or for whether they had a reason other than the ones stated in the motion - or for whether the reports had anything unexpected.

I think due to the fact that there is SO much information on SM about their personal lives, that it may be very difficult to find open minded jurors. The autopsy results must be so bad that they don’t want to inflame the public and have an even harder time seating a jury, let alone, give CW an opportunity for an appeal due to a tainted jury. IMO

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Here’s another prime example of the sort of person we’re dealing with here.

"Amanda Thayer said, "We spoke to Chris on Monday. He mentioned putting the house up for sale; him and Shanann had spoke about doing that."

He murdered them all only hours previously and he’s talking about selling the house!!!!!!!!!!! It's beyond disgusting. What sort of person is he? I really hope the Thayers testify.

Chris Watts case: Everything to know so far about the alleged murders of his wife, daughters

I believe they will testify, absolutely. His comment reminds me of SP.

 

[NuttMegg]

Right! Was that necessary?

I also wonder if he was really speeding through red lights when he knew his entire family was dead.

Maybe he was speeding thru red lights, but if so, it was because he knew his goose was getting cooked and he wasn't ready.

 

[Best of What's Around]

You obviously have your mind made up.

But the truth is, even if there are marks on those little girls’ necks from long acrylic fingernails (for example), the Prosecution (and people who already have their theories set in stone, like you) will say he put them there.

If there already is so much irrefutable evidence that he did it, why would the autopsy results potentially alter the charges?

JMO

Let’s put aside the outrage by most of where he placed the bodies for a moment...and ask, what innocent person both purposely hides AND knowingly irrevocably damages the only evidence that someone else is responsible for the crimes? And in the process, thereby commits multiple felonies to do so. I would really like to know.

 

[Thepoet]

My husband does zero SM.

I wasn't referring to SM, but to real people.

 

[Thepoet]

Let’s put aside the outrage by most of where he placed the bodies for a moment...and ask, what innocent person both purposely hides AND knowingly irrevocably damages the only evidence that someone else is responsible for the crimes? And in the process, thereby commits multiple felonies to do so. I would really like to know.

Well said, bravo. I too, would like to know!

 

[Shekkiec]

In regard to autopsies I find it

I just doubt CW would go through all of that trouble to save the honor of his wife. Jmo.

Its not like if your spouse committed suicide while naked and you simply put clothing on them before the emt people arrive, out of decency and spousal respect.

So he clearly didn't do all of this because SW supposedly killed the kids and he wanted to save her honor in the public eye. Jmo.

Perhaps it was shock? panic? Perhaps he felt no one would believe him bc he had killed his wife. Perhaps he thought people will think I annihilated my whole family. I can not fathom how this unfolded between this beautiful couple. I do not see any preplan by either of them for this to happen. I feel imo moo moo she had a lot to lose as well by him leaving and Imo I would think defense would present that. The prosecution imo may say she threatened him bc of separation I don’t know. But imo the bedding could have been used/stripped to carry them in. Carrying them downstairs perhaps the separste sheet was thrown away as a reaction because it was laying on the floor and dropped or slipped away . I am not sure but he made no attempt to conceal or hide any evidence . Ex. Had the sheet been in the back of a basement closet in a tub with her purse , phone etc it would imo further show planning an alibi. Imo SW was well loved and extremely active on social media as well as with friends. Had the visit from NUA not happened he knew others were trying to contact her imo and would find it suspicious moo. He wasn’t rehearsed nor did he make it look as if she may have left him imo I believe he in panic mentioned her going to a friend’s bc there was no other reason they would not be there and it popped into his head. He imo knew it was suspicious. He knew he had killed his wife. He may have felt he had to engage in interviews and what would seem normal bc he didn’t feel normal after killing his wife, nor should he. He was immediately swept up in a whirlwind and now knew imo maybe he should have called 911 what should he do? He may have wanted to talk to his dad simply to make sure his dad heard it from him first imo we don’t know. Do we know how many interviews he had with police or the length of last interview?do we know if he went willingly?

 

[MsBetsy]

Right! Was that necessary?

I also wonder if he was really speeding through red lights when he knew his entire family was dead.

I believe he would have been speeding just to get inside his house before anyone else, especially the police, did. He obviously was concerned about them finding any evidence. Jmo