Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #37

[cailleach]

I think that’s a good possibility too, but I’m still thrown off with the pregnancy. Most parents know that babies are expensive and a lot of work and if you are already having marital problems, a new baby is the last thing you need.
It makes no sense that he wanted another baby with SW since he was having an extramarital affair. (And we all know an affair is a symptom of a failing marriage, not the cause of a failed marriage) And SW was heavily involved with her job that required traveling and being away from the family. So, did she just find her self pregnant, unexpectedly? Did she think having another baby, hopefully a boy, would make things better with her husband? Did it anger him instead? Did she threaten to leave and go back to NC? Did that anger him even more?
So many possibilities here.

His text after the first sonogram was anything but angry. He's also the one on record saying that having another child could help a failing marriage (which most of us know is far from a good idea). Maybe he was enraged that she would take his son and leave? Some men have huge ego involvement in male offspring.

 

[Johnny1181]

Interestingly, when I was on a local high profile case, our instructions for deliberation were that we could not bring in our judgment from our own experiences. We were to look at the information presented only. It was very difficult, to say the least. And we jurors had numerous verbal altercations about it and the judge reiterated her instructions. We were to decide based on the tiny bubble of information, not our life wisdom! So if this goes to trial, the jurors will have a difficult task. It seems easy to sit on a jury, but once chosen, many restraints come into play. MEO (my experience only), MOO.

I feel CW has accidentally been brilliant in introducing the SW strangling claim. It's disgusting, as I see it, a Jodi Arias move. But it will be a strong bargaining chip for a plea deal. JMO, of course. My fear is a plea that is not first degree murder. MOO.

In your opinion what brilliance has he shown in proving that Shanann strangled her daughters, Bella and CeCe? What brilliance would a jury see in his actions afterward that we have shared here that frankly are nauseating?

imo

 

[MassGuy]

Interestingly, when I was on a local high profile case, our instructions for deliberation were that we could not bring in our judgment from our own experiences. We were to look at the information presented only. It was very difficult, to say the least. And we jurors had numerous verbal altercations about it and the judge reiterated her instructions. We were to decide based on the tiny bubble of information, not our life wisdom! So if this goes to trial, the jurors will have a difficult task. It seems easy to sit on a jury, but once chosen, many restraints come into play. MEO (my experience only), MOO.

I feel CW has accidentally been brilliant in introducing the SW strangling claim. It's disgusting, as I see it, a Jodi Arias move. But it will be a strong bargaining chip for a plea deal. JMO, of course. My fear is a plea that is not first degree murder. MOO.

Thanks for the anecdote, as it echoes my personal opinion about leaving personal experiences at home. I think the bargaining chip for a plea, will be held by the prosecution in the form of the death penalty.

I have no idea if the prosecution will in fact go for the DP, or if CW will plea if faced with it. I agree that the strangling claim wasn't a bad move on his part, and it atleast seems somewhat viable, based on some opinions here. I don't think it will work though.

 

[MKZoo]

Are we allowed to provide a link to a close family member’s arrest?

We cannot sleuth family.

 

[cailleach]

Are we allowed to provide a link to a close family member’s arrest?

No! Don't do it! We are not allowed to sleuth family members.

 

[MassGuy]

Are we allowed to provide a link to a close family member’s arrest?

No. Family is outside the scope of what we are allowed to discuss.

 

[MyBelle]

I don’t know. I didn’t know SW said her OB approved of the patches. If her OB did, why is everyone accusing her of doing something harmful to her baby?

She said on a video her OB approved it. Either he/she did or did not. Blood tests indicate what supplementation is medically indicated. Why any high-risk pregnant woman would ingest anything not medically indicated baffles me.

JMO

 

[maeleemae]

No! Don't do it! We are not allowed to sleuth family members.

Thanks!

 

[maeleemae]

No. Family is outside the scope of what we are allowed to discuss.

Thank you!

 

[cailleach]

Thanks for the anecdote, as it echoes my personal opinion about leaving personal experiences at home. I think the bargaining chip for a plea, will be held by the prosecution in the form of the death penalty.

I have no idea if the prosecution will in fact go for the DP, or if CW will plea if faced with it. I agree that the strangling claim wasn't a bad move on his part, and it atleast seems somewhat viable, based on some opinions here. I don't think it will work though.

I can tell you that every single person I know from Weld County wants the DP used. It's a very conservative area of the state and I would imagine he's hearing a push for it. Not that it will sway him from doing his job in the best way possible but local opinion is for the DP.

 

[MyBelle]

But C.W. already said SW strangled the children after their emotional conversation when he said he wanted a separation. Do you think he’ll drop that one and blame her erratic behavior on her Thrive patch, instead?

It depends on SW's cause of death.

 

[Jennifer17]

Thanks for the anecdote, as it echoes my personal opinion about leaving personal experiences at home. I think the bargaining chip for a plea, will be held by the prosecution in the form of the death penalty.

I have no idea if the prosecution will in fact go for the DP, or if CW will plea if faced with it. I agree that the strangling claim wasn't a bad move on his part, and it atleast seems somewhat viable, based on some opinions here. I don't think it will work though.

I think that it would not matter whether he came up with the her strangling them or not. Some would still blame her for her death and her childrens. Just because.

 

[MassGuy]

I can tell you that every single person I know from Weld County wants the DP used. It's a very conservative area of the state and I would imagine he's hearing a push for it. Not that it will sway him from doing his job in the best way possible but local opinion is for the DP.

Good. That’s what I like to hear.

 

[Johnny1181]

Thanks for the anecdote, as it echoes my personal opinion about leaving personal experiences at home. I think the bargaining chip for a plea, will be held by the prosecution in the form of the death penalty.

I have no idea if the prosecution will in fact go for the DP, or if CW will plea if faced with it. I agree that the strangling claim wasn't a bad move on his part, and it atleast seems somewhat viable, based on some opinions here. I don't think it will work though.

Imo.. the only plea that should be accepted by the judge and families, includes a full confession. A total allocution.

 

[Layla123]

She said on a video her OB approved it. Either he/she did or did not. Blood tests indicate what supplementation is medically indicated. Why any high-risk pregnant woman would ingest anything not medically indicated baffles me.

JMO

Well, SW really did believe in the product, as did most of her friends and family. Their lives were wrapped all around it. They thought Thrive was the best thing that ever happened to them. If you check out pictures of her family and friends, most of them are wearing Thrive patches in one picture or another.

 

[MyBelle]

What relevance would it have? If she lied she is a murderer, but if he lied dozens of times (proven) he is not?

If SW lied, then she's a proved liar no different than her liar husband. The jury will decide what weight to give to lies.
JMO

 

[tmar]

How in the world can CW take the stand? He’d be eaten alive.

After what he has done, I certainly would like to see that: see him squirm.

 

[Moonracer]

In your opinion what brilliance has he shown in proving that Shanann strangled her daughters, Bella and CeCe? What brilliance would a jury see in his actions afterward that we have shared here that frankly are nauseating?

imo

Kindly settle down, as I said nothing about his claim being provable - I feel that by introducing his outlandish claim, he has greatly increased his chance of a plea deal, as there is a possibility that a juror will feel a reasonable doubt by giving credence to his scenario. There are hundreds of people chatting about this online, and some give considerable weight to the idea od SW snapping. I also said that he likely did this accidentally, and it isn't any true "brillance." I am merely musing about what his defense will run with. Thank you.

 

[LovesChocolate]

Again, I will say the "No OB would approve Thrive" is a fallacy. I work with several who would. We even approved of Kombucha for a patient (for those who aren't familiar with Kombucha, it is a fermented tea). Everyone is going to get a different answer from their health care provider on what is safe and what is not safe in pregnancy (excluding the obvious, like illicit substances). When patients present with something I'm not familiar with, I take the time to research the ingredients before providing an answer. It's very reasonable that SW's OB and CNM did the same and felt comfortable with the product.

If this nonsense is part of the trial, my head will explode.

Always MOO.

 

[MassGuy]

Imo.. the only plea that should be accepted by the judge and families, includes a full confession. A total allocution.

He still doesn’t have to tell the truth, they rarely do. It’s always minimizing and victim blaming, and there’s no way to stop him from doing that.