Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #37

[NuttMegg]

@NuttMegg

“He is a coward. I wish he had committed suicide”.

I don’t. He’s destroyed the lives of his wife and unborn baby plus his two little girls. He’s shattered the lives of not only SW’s family but also that of his own family, all of whom will have to live with what he’s done forever. He needs to pay dearly for his cruel and evil acts and that means imprisonment for the rest of his life, and I hope it’s a very long one.

I vacillate on that one, I admit. What if they get one juror, like on the Manafort trial, who went for convictions on several counts but not others, when they were identical with equal proof.

 

[human]

Here’s another prime example of the sort of person we’re dealing with here.

"Amanda Thayer said, "We spoke to Chris on Monday. He mentioned putting the house up for sale; him and Shanann had spoke about doing that."

He murdered them all only hours previously and he’s talking about selling the house!!!!!!!!!!! It's beyond disgusting. What sort of person is he? I really hope the Thayers testify.

Chris Watts case: Everything to know so far about the alleged murders of his wife, daughters

Hm. Maybe he was trying to show that SW did not care about the house and she would be able to easily walk away from it.

 

[JudgeJudi]

@NuttMegg

“They were no longer people, no longer family, no longer anything he had ever loved or pretended to love. No longer little cute and giggly adorable and adoring kids”.

Yes. Once they were gone he thought his newfound freedom would allow him to have a second chance at life, a life where he would be in charge and free from all the burdens and responsibilities that come with having a wife and children. More money to indulge his fantasies and no more schedules.

 

[Amandaaa]

I think he's guilty of annihilating his family and I don't find it suspicious whatsoever that the state asked for the autopsy reports to be sealed. Wouldn't find it suspicious if the defense asked for them to be sealed either. The prosecution is doing their job and the defense is doing their job. Period. That is how it's supposed to work.
MOO

Oh they can ASK, but they still have to meet the same threshold to have them sealed.

In the absence of the statute I could agree with you - I might want to keep this information close to the vest, for a variety of reasons. But we’re living in an era of transparency and sunshine and unfortunately, sometimes you have to share more than you’d like - earlier than you’d like - even if it could cause some potential issues in the way you craft your case/defense. FOI requirements have *definitely* affected the way I practice.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

@NuttMegg

“He is a coward. I wish he had committed suicide”.

I don’t. He’s destroyed the lives of his wife and unborn baby plus his two little girls. He’s shattered the lives of not only SW’s family but also that of his own family, all of whom will have to live with what he’s done forever. He needs to pay dearly for his cruel and evil acts and that means imprisonment for the rest of his life, and I hope it’s a very long one.

I can see both sides of that one, myself.

 

[human]

I wasn't referring to SM, but to real people.

He has a couple of real friends. My hubby said that in life we really do not have that many real friends.

And men less so because they are more surface. They aren’t into talking to their buddies about things like women do.

To me, it is more intellectual. Or maybe they have their innermost feeling talks with guy buddies.

 

[JudgeJudi]

Hm. Maybe he was trying to show that SW did not care about the house and she would be able to easily walk away from it.

So you're suggesting that just after hours after he knows he's murdered them that he's suggesting she could walk away, and yet on Tuesday morning he's pleading for whoever has them to bring them back?

 

[Best of What's Around]

Really big disclaimer before I respond. I go back and forth between a few theories, but with all I KNOW at this point they all include CW being responsible.

As to "what innocent person" he wasn't an innocent person IMO. Even IF I took his confession at face value he killed his wife and unborn son. I don't expect him to behave as an innocent person, as at the minimum he'd still in his own words committed Murder 1 and the charges re: Nico, (not sure he'd know he'd face charges for that.)

Respectfully, although I absolutely see your point, his confession is not one that says he committed murder 1. He is trying to mitigate it down to a lesser offense, done in "rage" or to protect the "active strangling" of his daughter. IMO.

 

[Thepoet]

How do I know C.W. murdered all 3? Mostly, I would say, it was his demeanor in first few days following the murders. If CW had suffered the shock of discovering that Shanann had strangled and murdered Bella and CeCe, he would have suffered a huge, devastating loss when the loves of his life were ripped away from him, as opposed to a feeling of accomplishment he would have felt, after carrying out a his well thought out plan to free himself from his ball and chain family that kept him from doing what he really wanted to be doing. I’ve seen many people in the first stages of grief. They can’t control their emotions. CW was not in grief. People experiencing grief are in shock, tears, uncontrollable outbursts of emotion, sorrow. CW showed none of that. He was in complete control of his emotions. He was concentrating on executing the final stages of his plan to annihilate his family.

One thing I don't think anyone has mentioned; if his story was true (it isn't) not only should he have been grief stricken over the loss, but where were the signs of him feeling guilty for being a cause of what happened? Most people do that to some degree; "Oh my God! If I hadn't said that, or done that, this wouldn't have happened!" He showed no signs of guilt. He postured and preened. He exhibited dupers delight. He smiled and smirked. He stumbled a couple of times, but experts have said that was him trying to stay on story. Something very wrong there!

 

[human]

Well if the intersections had cameras it would have recorded his license plate info and a fine would be sent to the home.

Do they have those kind of cameras?

 

[Gardener1850]

Sleeplessness and dehydration are the main ways people who AREN'T schizophrenic, become psychotic.

They can surely try to make such allegations via just touching on it opening statements (you cant being up in closing anything that hasn't been introduced into evidence) or via experts and they should not be liable in a civil lawsuit for such a theory.

Thank you for replying Gitana! Those are good points I had not considered they might claim. Our psychology professionals on the board previously said they saw no evidence of psychotic behavior because of his interviews but I would not be surprised if the defense will have experts examine CW and try to make some claims of him having some temporary mental illness. Could they say the Thrive patches prevented him from sleeping for several days in a row leading him to commit the murders? Once the murders were over he removed his Thrive patch and slept like a baby at the Thayers house? It's heinous but now I could see that line of reasoning being used.

 

[human]

His actions did not in any way resemble someone who is in shock or in a panic. He was able to think of a very good way to ensure the bodies were not easy to find. He didn't just toss them somewhere without any planning. He had the door locked in such a way that even someone with a key could not enter. He backed the truck up in the garage. He didn't rush out in a hurry. He may have hidden the cell phone. He must have been careful to not let anyone see him at the dump site, as no-one did. And last, as pointed out many times, strangulation takes time, and is not indicative of someone in a rage, or panic. Everything about his actions show that he was in control at all times, from the time of the murder through the time of the cover up. Imo

Why did he hide the cell phone? How long before it ran out of battery? Maybe she charged it at the airport

 

[MyBelle]

His actions did not in any way resemble someone who is in shock or in a panic. He was able to think of a very good way to ensure the bodies were not easy to find. He didn't just toss them somewhere without any planning. He had the door locked in such a way that even someone with a key could not enter. He backed the truck up in the garage. He didn't rush out in a hurry. He may have hidden the cell phone. He must have been careful to not let anyone see him at the dump site, as no-one did. And last, as pointed out many times, strangulation takes time, and is not indicative of someone in a rage, or panic. Everything about his actions show that he was in control at all times, from the time of the murder through the time of the cover up. Imo

I disagree because the facts we already know prove CW didn't come up with a good way to ensure the bodies were not easy to find. He took them in his work vehicle to his place of work and LE had a drone in the air by day three. That's hardly a well-thought-out plan, imo.

 

[PommyMommy]

Not sure if this has been posted yet:
Autopsy reports complete for Chris Watts' wife Shanann and daughters | Daily Mail Online

"There is a possibility that there may not be enough DNA evidence to secure a conviction in the murder of the two young girls, based on the fact that the bodies of Celeste and Bella had been submerged in an oil tank for three days before they were discovered by police."​

It makes me wonder again what CW was thinking when he put them in those oil tanks. But I seriously doubt he would have thought ahead to put their DNA under her nails (if there is any) and that he knew the oil might eliminate the evidence of him killing the girls. Surely his original plan wouldn't have been to be convicted of murdering his wife and tampering with their bodies even if he people bought his absurd "she did it" defense.

We do know that his plan A was to tell people that his pregnant wife took their girls and just left everything behind since he told both NUA and LE about a marital separation the day they went missing to float the idea she just left him. IMO JMO MOO

BBM
It's simple for me. He was thinking, "Nobody will ever find them here."
MOO

 

[RachB65]

Do they have those kind of cameras?

Yes. Not all intersections but many. More heavily populated areas for the most part

 

[human]

Question for our legal experts @gitana1 @Amandaaa @riolove77 @Mrspratcher and anyone else who is here:
I have seen a few posters suggest that the defense will claim that the THRIVE patches may have caused side effects that lead to CW and SW to both go homicidal at the same time. Is this really a viable suggestion the defense could use? I'm wondering, specifically, if defense could legally claim that during a trial without facing lawsuits from the LeVel company over making such a malicious claim about the product? They would have to prove that claim with experts right? Or can they randomly mention it in the opening/closing arguments without any evidence?

Side note: From what I have seen of the ingredients it is mostly caffeine and vitamins. So I doubt, IMO, that they will be able to claim it made anyone homicidal. But forget for a moment that the claim "my coffee made me do it" is a little ridiculous, if a defense lawyer claimed his client's Specific Brand Coffee was to blame (I.E. "My daily latte from Starbucks made me do it") wouldn't that open them up to lawsuits from the company? This is just something I wonder about evey time I see someone say THRIVE will be blamed. TIA for any insight you all can give.

Remember the Twinkies defense?

 

[riolove77]

Imo I use the garage to enter my home most of the time . I also latch my door at night as a security measure I only release the latch when I am going for a walk with my puppy , getting the mail or expecting company If he did not expect NUA why latch it? I find it more evidence of concern from her friend bc it appeared SW had not started her day. This latch may have been a nightly routine not a preplanned effort by him imo, he backed up the truck into the garage yes why not throw her purse in there he needed to make sure that wasn’t seen right ?, I don’t know if he hid the cell phone in a couch bc imo I would have destroyed it , taken battery out not hid between cushions of sofa but we hopefully will hear how it got there, the dump site was a work area he had access to and he may have left directly after it happened in panic, strangulation does not always take time. We do not know if cause of death was from a neck break during strangulation or aphixiation all of this moo moo

I am not sure what you mean by "strangulation does not always take time". Strangulation ALWAYS takes time. At least 4-5 mins per person.

 

[riolove77]

Thank you for your response Riolove. I do remember reading about that cough syrup case now that you mention it, but I couldn't tell you the brand of cough syrup. Seems really out there as a defense, IMO. But I guess we shouldn't put anything past the defense.

EXACTLY. I never put anything past them.

 

[Gardener1850]

Ask Oprah about knocking a meat diet on TV. And that wasn't even a specific brand name. I think you have a very good point, but am not one of the lawyers you address.

Thanks NuttMegg, all replies welcome. I don't know about the Oprah situation. What happened? Did she get sued or just face lots of viewer backlash? She is a public figure so it's a bit different, however, from a lawyer saying it in court to defend their client. IMO.

 

[human]

Well if the intersections had cameras it would have recorded his license plate info and a fine would be sent to the home.

Only four in Denver. I wonder how many there would be in outlying areas if there are only four in Denver.

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