Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #37

[NuttMegg]

That's meaningless because CW was looking at a baby monitor screen. We don't know if there was a night light in the room that would affect the image. Too many unknown variables.
JMO

If there was a night light in the room that made Bella look blue on the monitor, that would always be the case. Anyway, you'd think he might go look. On the other hand, I think the poster was saying that they dealt with many dead bodies, and they just don't go "blue".

 

[MerryB]

How do I know C.W. murdered all 3? Mostly, I would say, it was his demeanor in first few days following the murders. If CW had suffered the shock of discovering that Shanann had strangled and murdered Bella and CeCe, he would have suffered a huge, devastating loss when the loves of his life were ripped away from him, as opposed to a feeling of accomplishment he would have felt, after carrying out a his well thought out plan to free himself from his ball and chain family that kept him from doing what he really wanted to be doing. I’ve seen many people in the first stages of grief. They can’t control their emotions. CW was not in grief. People experiencing grief are in shock, tears, uncontrollable outbursts of emotion, sorrow. CW showed none of that. He was in complete control of his emotions. He was concentrating on executing the final stages of his plan to annihilate his family.

With all due respect, this is not evidence. MOO

 

[ZsaZsa]

In the last picture taken of SW, where she is in an airport restaurant waiting for the flight home to CO, she does not have her Apple Watch on. I doubt she got home and put it on to go bed. JMO
Addy Molony

That was not taken at the airport. It was taken on the Sat night, at The Yard House, .Scottsdale.

 

[MyBelle]

BBM
Maybe i missed it somewhere in the tangle of these threads or in his confession but did he once ever say he checked his daughters' vital signs or tried CPR? I would think THAT would have fit into his confession/accusation very well. But perhaps he knew there would be no physical evidence to corroborate that?

It wasn't mentioned on his affidavit but that also doesn't mean he didn't mention it to LE. JMO

 

[Amonet]

I think the reason he said he sped through red lights was so everyone would think he was frightened and concerned. I imagine his inner dialogue was, “Oh, that was a good one.”

BBM

He had that same look, like the cat that got the cream, when he was talking about Bella being caring and calm and he said she's like him in that way! He looked so proud of himself for putting that in, as if he expected it to have a great impression on the viewing public.

 

[PommyMommy]

What I wouldn’t pay to see the interrogation video of CW telling that insane story to LE.

I’ll bet they were completely incredulous, but wanted to let him go with it, as it locks him in to a particular narrative.

If not for the tragedy here, I’m sure those investigators would have been holding back laughter. What a dope.

I'd split the cost with you! I definitely look forward to that being seen at trial, assuming it's allowed in.
MOO

 

[NuttMegg]

What I wouldn’t pay to see the interrogation video of CW telling that insane story to LE.

I’ll bet they were completely incredulous, but wanted to let him go with it, as it locks him in to a particular narrative.

If not for the tragedy here, I’m sure those investigators would have been holding back laughter. What a dope.

Me too, Mass Guy. In fact, I think that might be the explanation for the word "dump", as in dumped the girls' bodies in crude oil. I doubt he used that somewhat pejorative verb.

 

[MyBelle]

So what is your theory? Why would that be used in a trial by the defense?

If SW publicly lied about a product that could be harmful to a fetus--AND used it herself-- I would expect a defense attorney to use it at trial. JMO.

 

[MerryB]

So you never felt it was due to being worried about the reports somehow exonerating the defendant? Because many posts were inferring as much.

Do you feel it was a viable suspicion that the request to seal the reports was so that they could hide exonerating evidence from the public or so they would have time to gently let SW's family know they're reducing charges?

I just want to make sure I know where we are.

I don’t recall anyone saying this either. If you are able to provide a link, perhaps the issue can be more effectively addressed.

 

[Allabouttrial]

I do not see it odd that few of his friends have come forward on his behalf. He admitted to killing his wife (and unborn child) and so naturally, any close friends are going to recoil and avoid being associated with a murderer. We've all seen how vile and cruel the public can be; imagine the harassment any good friend would receive just by coming forward to explain another side of him. His parents have been silent; perhaps advised by attorneys but I'm sure they are horrified, humiliated, ashamed. What good coming forward and risking the backlash and death threats. MOO.



I don't. I am a healthcare provider in OBGYN and there are a lot of OTC products that are fairly benign. But, it is up to the individual provider; aka "provider preference." Some of us are ok with certain products...some of us are not. So I don't find it at all unusual that her OB and CNM would have been ok with Thrive (I did read somewhere that SW noted she couldn't do one of the products called Black Label anymore, though, if I recall correctly, which would be appropriate since that one is for weight loss).

That is very true, I saw a particularly nasty one that alleges a married mutual friend could have been the AP.

 

[NuttMegg]

If SW publicly lied about a product that could be harmful to a fetus--AND used it herself-- I would expect a defense attorney to use it at trial. JMO.

So you think that might mean that she did not care for her fetus, and would have not hesitated to kill the other kids? I still don't get the connection to what the defense would use that for. Just google the product, OB/GYNs are all over the wall on whether or not to use it, or caffeine for that matter.

 

[bonjoviblonde]

In regard to autopsies I find it

Perhaps it was shock? panic? Perhaps he felt no one would believe him bc he had killed his wife. Perhaps he thought people will think I annihilated my whole family. I can not fathom how this unfolded between this beautiful couple. I do not see any preplan by either of them for this to happen. I feel imo moo moo she had a lot to lose as well by him leaving and Imo I would think defense would present that. The prosecution imo may say she threatened him bc of separation I don’t know. But imo the bedding could have been used/stripped to carry them in. Carrying them downstairs perhaps the separste sheet was thrown away as a reaction because it was laying on the floor and dropped or slipped away . I am not sure but he made no attempt to conceal or hide any evidence . Ex. Had the sheet been in the back of a basement closet in a tub with her purse , phone etc it would imo further show planning an alibi. Imo SW was well loved and extremely active on social media as well as with friends. Had the visit from NUA not happened he knew others were trying to contact her imo and would find it suspicious moo. He wasn’t rehearsed nor did he make it look as if she may have left him imo I believe he in panic mentioned her going to a friend’s bc there was no other reason they would not be there and it popped into his head. He imo knew it was suspicious. He knew he had killed his wife. He may have felt he had to engage in interviews and what would seem normal bc he didn’t feel normal after killing his wife, nor should he. He was immediately swept up in a whirlwind and now knew imo maybe he should have called 911 what should he do? He may have wanted to talk to his dad simply to make sure his dad heard it from him first imo we don’t know. Do we know how many interviews he had with police or the length of last interview?do we know if he went willingly?

So him forgetting/not having enough time to get rid of her purse weighs heavier than the fact he wrapped up, loaded up, and dumped all of their bodies? Who cares if he left her purse at home. We can come up with a hundred scenarios why he left her purse at home. How many reasons would a man have for dumping bodies, two of which he admitted to murdering?

This article also states all those interviewed had no indication of anything like this happening. I feel the interviews which were after he killed his wife were deceitful bc we know he lied . The interviews were strange to hear for us so those knowing him had to sense something different as well imo. We do not know how that information was gained by Thayers . Perhaps it was she who asked C.W. “are you having financial problems?” (Example question is in quotes this is not a quote from AT) and that is a snipped sentence from hours of conversation between them not a yay I’m selling the House moment imo

So we can't believe the Thayers or we're supposed to think maybe what they said he said was taken out of context? But we are supposed to believe CW at exactly his word, a confessed liar, cheater and murderer?

Imo I use the garage to enter my home most of the time . I also latch my door at night as a security measure I only release the latch when I am going for a walk with my puppy , getting the mail or expecting company If he did not expect NUA why latch it? I find it more evidence of concern from her friend bc it appeared SW had not started her day. This latch may have been a nightly routine not a preplanned effort by him imo, he backed up the truck into the garage yes why not throw her purse in there he needed to make sure that wasn’t seen right ?, I don’t know if he hid the cell phone in a couch bc imo I would have destroyed it , taken battery out not hid between cushions of sofa but we hopefully will hear how it got there, the dump site was a work area he had access to and he may have left directly after it happened in panic, strangulation does not always take time. We do not know if cause of death was from a neck break during strangulation or aphixiation all of this moo moo

Strangulation does not always take time? So you put your hands on someone's neck and boom they are dead?

I disagree because the facts we already know prove CW didn't come up with a good way to ensure the bodies were not easy to find. He took them in his work vehicle to his place of work and LE had a drone in the air by day three. That's hardly a well-thought-out plan, imo.

Yes and he got caught. He got caught quickly but that doesn't mean he didn't TRY. The point is he tried to conceal dead bodies. Two of which he said he didn't kill. Two of which he admitted to killing in "self defense/rage/protection of his children. So why get rid of the bodies at all? An innocent man wouldn't do those things.

 

[Amonet]

you are correct . I meant in regard to all the material evidence left out in the home I should have perhaps made sure I specified such.

I think he might have been trying to hide the sheet and pillowcases that were in the trash, though I figured that was probably because they matched the one he left at the oil site rather than that they had evidence on them. On the other hand it could have been for both reasons?

But I also think that his main priority was to hide the bodies, then when he got home that night he could tidy up any loose ends in the house. Thanks to NUA he didn't get a chance to do that, but I don't think he had any desire to not conceal evidence, because he hid the biggest evidence of all. The evidence that allowed him to go on TV and say "I have no inclination where they are" (or was it where she is?)

He also (assuming he killed them all) chose a method of murder that would leave less evidence in the home than something 'messy' like stabbing or shooting. That could be because strangulation came 'naturally' to him, or it could have been a purposeful choice to not get a knife out of the kitchen and take it upstairs with him because he didn't want to leave blood spatter around and have to clean that up. If there had been blood all over the bedrooms, then he wouldn't have been able to go on TV for those interviews as he would have been in the police station in an interview room to explain where that blood came from.

 

[katydid23]

We just don’t know all of the evidence yet. Very little has been made public to date.
Many people feel they can firmly stand in the “guilty” camp based on what little we know (the fact that he admitted to killing his wife, disposing of their bodies, giving strange interviews afterward). I’m not discounting those things at all.
However, we don’t yet know the details of the autopsy report. We don’t know anything about prior Internet searches or lack thereof. We don’t know about prior texts or conversations between the couple. We don’t know anything about DNA findings or other findings in the home other than what LE has made public.

Some of us are reserving judgement until we know more. IMO it could go either way, depending on what the whole of the evidence shows.

JMO

As to the bolded portion of your post:

However, we don’t yet know the details of the autopsy report. We don’t know anything about prior Internet searches or lack thereof. We don’t know about prior texts or conversations between the couple. We don’t know anything about DNA findings or other findings in the home other than what LE has made public.


It is true, that WE don't know any of the above evidence. However the detectives do. And the DA does. And after they gathered that info, they charged the defendant with 5 Capital One Murders. That tells me that those things, listed above, do not swing in CW's favor, IMO.

 

[MyBelle]

I don’t recall anyone saying this either. If you are able to provide a link, perhaps the issue can be more effectively addressed.

I think it was speculated after the defense filed a motion pointing out to the judge that they did not have a copy of the report even though the prosecution was asking it to be sealed. The defense can't respond to something they haven't seen. JMO

 

[MKZoo]

If SW publicly lied about a product that could be harmful to a fetus--AND used it herself-- I would expect a defense attorney to use it at trial. JMO.

The only way to prove she lied (I don't believe she did) would be to put her doctor and her midwife on the stand and have them reveal what they discussed about the patches. I have a hard time thinking that a judge would find that relevant to this case. It would not go toward proving that CW is telling the truth about the girls' deaths. Their deaths had nothing to do with the safety of Thrive or what SW talked about with her doctor. Jmo.

 

[MassGuy]

If SW publicly lied about a product that could be harmful to a fetus--AND used it herself-- I would expect a defense attorney to use it at trial. JMO.

Ok. I just want to make sure I get this straight:

Shanann used a product that “could” be harmful to unborn babies.

If she used this product, she must have known that it was harmful to babies.

If she knew this product was harmful to babies, she must not have cared about the baby she was carrying.

If she didn’t care about the baby she was carrying, she didn’t care about her kids.

If she didn’t care about her kids, she could have killed her kids.

If she could have killed her kids, she did kill her kids.

Good luck to the defense!

 

[kkdj]

I wonder if CW is going to come up with a new and improved story.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

BBM
Lol, I agree that he concocted a crazy scenario. For sure!!! I have yet to see any facts or evidence that SW killed her babies though. None, zip, nada. Although many of us have repeatedly asked for examples.
MOO

Many are repeatedly saying they are waiting for more to come out.
jmo

 

[dixiegirl1035]

But what happened to all the conjecture about how the state was asking the reports to be sealed because they didn't support the charges and thus SW's family was in town so the prosecution could gently break the news to them that the charges would be reduced or dismissed?

And what about the statement that the state requested the report be sealed because it needed time to develop new theories or investigate new angles due to unexpected findings in the report, even though the defense gets the report at essentially the same time?

Or did I have that wrong?[/QUOTEe]

I haven't seen much of that, nor did I see much of Shanann changing the sheets stuff that went on for hours last night. Breezing through the threads

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