Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #37

[gitana1]

Also, at that moment, they believed she and the girls were missing and possibly in danger so that might be enough for probable cause regardless of consent. But I agree, I do think he gave consent. Jmo.

You do need a warrant when you're investigating a crime and even if the suspect gives permission you would want a warrant typically.

But he was not a suspect at the time. And he gave consent. It was a welfare check and a husband pretending to be scared about the welfare of his missing family.

Now if the phone was locked and he didn't know the password it depends on the phone company if they would allow the husband to create a new password. It is his property.

Otherwise they probably would require a warrant.

No matter. They have it all now.

 

[ZsaZsa]

When he says he saw SW strangling a child, what he really meant to say was he saw her desperately trying to revive her.. IMO he had killed them both before SW got in, then showed her what he'd done. He finally had the upper hand.
Then as if that weren't enough, he separated mother and girls and disposed of them in the most contemptuous way possible. I feel sure he planned a private little smirk every time he went back to the tank site.

 

[Mellowmelly]

I’ve seen some comments about wether the patches could have had an adverse effect on CW and SW, could they have made any of them go in to a rage that night? I highly doubt it. If the patches had been having adverse effects on either CW or SW, I think they would have been experiencing these effects long before that fateful night and probably would have came to the conclusion that they were not good for them and would possibly have ceased using them.
If any of the ingredients in the patches were able to be absorbed through the skin, IMO the amounts would have been too minuscule to have any effect, good or bad. JMO

 

[gitana1]

I suppose so, but honestly IMO it would be as subjective as playing the SM videos I find so alarming & some others don’t.

Not a chance. Context is key. Those interviews are incredibly powerful evidence. I haven't met or heard an attorney or crime expert or psychologist who thinks otherwise.

 

[MerryB]

They’re not as subjective because of the context. He was lying over and over again. He was calmly recounting a fabricated story as his children rotted in oil tanks, and his wife in a shallow grave.

This carries far more weight than some Facebook videos of innocent victims.

We can certainly agree to disagree, my friend.

 

[MsBetsy]

I just had a thought about the bed being stripped. It’s been suggested that SW found out about affair while on her trip (I think I read that, so IMO). I know if I found about about an affair I would not be able to hold it in. Maybe SW confronted CW almost immediately and went as far as stripping the bed in anger (thinking it could have happened there). That’s something I think I would do :/ I have really been stuck on why the bed was stripped.

She may have been strangled there, and with all the violent thrashing that may occur when one is fighting for a breath, the sheets ended up on the floor. Since a matching sheet was found near where he dumped the bodies, maybe he removed them from the bed, in order to get rid of them later. There is no evidence that she found out about the affair on the trip and by his account she did not get angry. Jmo

 

[riolove77]

I think one thing the defense will use is the fact that SW claimed on SM that both her midwife and OB gave their approval for her to wear the Thrive patches while pregnant. I find that very hard to believe. JMO

Well if that's true, both of them can be called to testify about that...

 

[gitana1]

Their bankruptcy filing was dated 6/5/15 and CeCe was born on 7/17/15. They did in fact indicate on their bankruptcy form that they were expecting another child and that she would be working fewer hours.
Posting from this site only because it is the actual bankruptcy form, not their article:
https://***********.com/wp-content/...y-filing-murdered-wife-two-daughters-docs.pdf

Their bankruptcy filing also show their mortgage balance was $378,348 (original balance $392,709, start date 5/2013) as of 6/15 which means they were current on their payments at that time.
If you use a 4.15% rate it's almost exactly to the dollar:
Loan Amortization Calculator

If you go forward in time on the schedule to 8/18 when SW was murdered, the balance is down to $354K, assuming they were still current.

https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sa...9628,-105.075131_rect/12_zm/1_fr/?view=public

If the Zestimate of $501K is accurate, than that would have been a nice tax free gain (net of selling costs) for CW to keep all to himself if LE had just bought his absurd story about her leaving.

Wow. Thanks for that info.

 

[riolove77]

Autopsies Complete in Christopher Watts' Murder Case - In Touch Weekly

I never found In Touch Weekly to be a very reliable source about most anything i ever read in it

"Since their completion, however, there are growing concerns that the results may allow Watts to walk free."

No one is quoted having said this. I wonder if the growing "concerns" are from journalists reading posts here or on SM.

Edited to fix grammar

Ha! Walk free my a**!

 

[Layla123]

I suppose so, but honestly IMO it would be as subjective as playing the SM videos I find so alarming & some others don’t.

CW was actively committing additional crimes at the time those porch interviews were recorded, Obstruction of Public Justice and False Reporting to Authorities.
2016 Colorado Revised Statutes :: Title 18 - :: Criminal Code :: Article 8 - :: Offenses - Governmental Operations :: Part 1 - :: Obstruction of Public Justice :: § 18-8-111. False reporting to authorities

 

[MyBelle]

I suppose so, but honestly IMO it would be as subjective as playing the SM videos I find so alarming & some others don’t.

I think if this goes to trial, the defense will use the SM videos that some of us find so alarming. JMO

 

[gitana1]

And no need to try CPR or call 911, they might end up brain dead.

I don't think anyone who is a parent or has a fur baby could possibly believe that. He's rationally sitting there thinking of the odds that his kids might be damaged so he decides to not try to revive them?

That's not logical. It flies in the face of everything we know about parental instinct, hope and love.

I watched a YouTube video last night of a woman doing CPR on a darn armadillo. For two hours!

 

[WildWest]

Yet apparently many do not believe the thrive products are unhealthy, and do not advise against it. Do we know that it was a high-risk pregnancy? Just being under 17 or over 35 is high risk, but it doesnt necessarily mean there are any restrictions or any special treatment. Jmo

Hard to tell, the activity or inactivity of any given disease dictates the very high risk vs the normal high risk afaik. I wouldn't doubt though that she took blood pressure readings at home everyday between doc visits and urine samples. SLE likes kidneys. Oh my, I wonder if that crazy apple watch could help with BP readings?

Ugggg!! I asked about this weeks ago, I thought I saw NAU impromptu on a news interview the day she called the cops, she mentioned SW "low blood sugar" in AZ. I'm sorry I don't have enough monthly data to watch all the podcasts, it was either 4, 7, 9, or 31. I have so many thoughts, poor babies and momma.

 

[MsBetsy]

It was on the floor but not in the trash. So he put it in the trash. Apparently, I read on here, IMO, trash day was Tuesday? If so, what sense does the sheet in the trash make?

Maybe to get rid of it before the matching sheet was found?

 

[human]

He hadn't murdered her yet when he saw Bella, blue on the monitor. He could have instantly called 911 then ran across to the rooms he had just walked past without noticing anything. They lived in such a developed area the paramedics and cops could have been there while 2-3 of the family were still alive, he could have held her off by her hair or sat on her. Most of those high scale subdivisions also have emergency clinics very near.

The discussion was about him not calling LE. Hard to call and BTW, I killed my wife and son

 

[human]

They came Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. To CW's horror.

What did they do on Tuesday?

 

[gitana1]

So what happens if there is not enough physical evidence to convict CW of killing the girls? Does killing Shanann and also the unborn baby (under the ‘I was enraged, because she killed the girls’ claim)—would that conviction alone at least bring a life sentence? I guess what I’m asking is, what is the worst case scenario where he could get off of certain charges?

Just on disposal of the bodies alone, 4-12 years per victim.

 

[MassGuy]

The discussion was about him not calling LE. Hard to call and BTW, I killed my wife and son

It’s easy, if you are of course thinking about your kids, who have just stopped breathing.

This is what many of us can’t get past. Putting the rest of the evidence aside, even if his story was true, it is unimaginable in its selfishness.

A father protects his kids.

 

[MyBelle]

Well if that's true, both of them can be called to testify about that...

Exactly!

 

[FlossyMay]

What did they do on Tuesday?

They brought the dogs.

 

[MsBetsy]

Hard to tell, the activity or inactivity of any given disease dictates the very high risk vs the normal high risk afaik. I wouldn't doubt though that she took blood pressure readings at home everyday between doc visits and urine samples. SLE likes kidneys. Oh my, I wonder if that crazy apple watch could help with BP readings?

Yes, I guess that's what I mean. Was it normal high risk or very high risk? If it was significant I would have thought she would mention it at some point. Just wondering if she did, and what was said about it, since it seems to be assumed that it was. Jmo

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Or he needed to get to the bathroom in a hurry because his bowels were clenching as he knew he'd be in deep trouble.

I walked away after yesterday and the talk about her stripping the Bed. ...

And then I walked back in this is the first post I see.

Not sure what is going on and what discussion is about bowels, but I think I will wait until a legal document comes out and back to rl.