Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #39

[JDough]

Initially, that was the plan. For him to rejoin SW & girls for their last week in NC. Since there are pictures of them all together, we can safely assume that he was following through with the original plan to be with the family.

Jumping of your post, Serena.....
IF he told his AP that he and SW were separated (or going to separate), what reason do you think he gave for going to be with his family in NC? Wouldn't the AP wonder about this?

 

[Best of What's Around]

It never was, to my knowledge. But I brought up the possibility of CW having a psychological evaluation, as part of the trial. Maybe that's where it came from. I had asked a question as to what the possibility is that there would be one and if the lawyers had to request it, or what situation would be typical in which they would order it, but I don't think anyone has answered yet. I am very curious to know.

Yes, and I can just imagine the defense scraping the bottom of the barrel for an expert who would testify that CW's behaviors and actions post-murders is consistent with that of a man who had experienced what CW claims in his confession.

 

[Jennifer17]

Jumping of your post, Serena.....
IF he told his AP that he and SW were separated (or going to separate), what reason do you think he gave for going to be with his family in NC? Wouldn't the AP wonder about this?

Probably told her that he was visiting his children that his wife had relocated to NC.

 

[MsBetsy]

Yup. Oil and the passage of time, can’t be a benefit to the preservation of forensic evidence.

I’m still holding out hope they find something useful in that regard, but we’ll see.

“I’m telling the truth, but I can’t prove it because I destroyed the proof,” isn’t a good defense.

I would think oil would wash away DNA evidence in a similar way to water washing it away. Maybe not as quickly or thoroughly though. Jmo

 

[MassGuy]

Yes, and I can just imagine the defense scraping the bottom of the barrel for an expert who would testify that CW's behaviors and actions post-murders is consistent with that of a man who had experienced what CW claims in his confession.

They’ll have to do something like that, if they are to have any chance at all of explaining his story.

They’ll fail.

 

[JDough]

FWIW - I was married to an abusive cheater. I know way more than I want to about it.

I'm sorry for your experience. ((Hugs))

 

[MsBetsy]

Probably told her that he was visiting his children that his wife had relocated to NC.

That sounds about right. In his mind maybe he only had to worry about keeping that story going until he killed them. Jmo

 

[Seattle1]

It never was, to my knowledge. But I brought up the possibility of CW having a psychological evaluation, as part of the trial. Maybe that's where it came from. I had asked a question as to what the possibility is that there would be one and if the lawyers had to request it, or what situation would be typical in which they would order it, but I don't think anyone has answered yet. I am very curious to know.

I believe pre-trial evaluations are required to determine eligibility for death penalty. I'm sure they are court ordered. MOO

 

[Seattle1]

Jumping of your post, Serena.....
IF he told his AP that he and SW were separated (or going to separate), what reason do you think he gave for going to be with his family in NC? Wouldn't the AP wonder about this?

His children were only ages 3 & 4, and child visitation -- especially at this age is very common during separation. I can see CW alleging he's going to take the girls to his parents to spend time with them. Would AP believe him?... probably.

 

[Best of What's Around]

Jumping of your post, Serena.....
IF he told his AP that he and SW were separated (or going to separate), what reason do you think he gave for going to be with his family in NC? Wouldn't the AP wonder about this?

I think this is a difficult question to answer when we have no idea how serious the relationship with the AP actually was. There are a myriad of excuses I can think of if they were serious, such as it was long planned, he didn't want to rock the boat with his wife when he is trying to negotiate a separation, etc. He had already likely said that they were not intimate anymore (oopsy on the baby making, however!) so it might not be a big deal to an AP biding her time until a divorce. But for all we know, the AP could have been happy to have been with a married man and wanted to keep it casual. We just don't know IMO.

 

[riolove77]

They’ll have to do something like that, if they are to have any chance at all of explaining his story.

They’ll fail.

I would hope the prosecution would absolutely destroy such a theory on cross.

 

[Gardener1850]

Jumping of your post, Serena.....
IF he told his AP that he and SW were separated (or going to separate), what reason do you think he gave for going to be with his family in NC? Wouldn't the AP wonder about this?

I think he could have told the AP that SW had taken the kids to NC without his permission and he was going there to serve her with divorce papers and get the kids back. Plus, his parents lived there so he could say he was only going to stay with his parents and hoped to see his kids at some point. But of course this was all a lie. If CW and SW were already separated, WHY would he go out to public places such as amusement parks and the beach with SW and the girls as if they were still a family? Why would he get his haircut at SW's mom's salon? Why would SW even be at CW's parent's house to witness the whole nut debacle? Spending quality time with one's in-laws and supporting their business ventures seems like something you only do if there is still a relationship OR you are trying desperately to work things out. MOO.

 

[WildWest]

So I truly think she had her phone in hand while sitting on the upstairs sofa before the ambush by him. Jmo

Or had just made up to the loft landing 3 minutes after entering the front door and ambushed on the way to the girls rooms.

 

[MsBetsy]

I believe pre-trial evaluations are required to determine eligibility for death penalty. I'm sure they are court ordered. MOO

Thank you. I wonder how specific it is, and if it only involves determining if he understands right from wrong, or is capable of understanding what he is accused of. I'm more interested in finding out if he has a Narcissistic or Antisocial Personality Disorder, and whether those specific tests have to be ordered and if a reason for the request has to be approved.

 

[MsBetsy]

Or had just made up to the loft landing 3 minutes after entering the front door and ambushed on the way to the girls rooms.

Right, since her suitcase was not brought upstairs I'm thinking it happened as soon as she got home. I would think she would need something in it and would want it brought upstairs. Jmo

 

[nwmouse]

We know CW lied about his affair and lied after the fact, but we have no knowledge that he was a known liar previous to the murders. Jodi lied just to lie and not just after she murdered Travis.
jmo

BBM: He must be a known liar previous to the murders because he had to lie to carry on affairs, and in order to carry out those affairs undetected he must have lied to SW (possibly others too) regarding his whereabouts etc. Having an affair usually entails lying. MOO.

 

[DexterMorgan]

I think this is a difficult question to answer when we have no idea how serious the relationship with the AP actually was. There are a myriad of excuses I can think of if they were serious, such as it was long planned, he didn't want to rock the boat with his wife when he is trying to negotiate a separation, etc. He had already likely said that they were not intimate anymore (oopsy on the baby making, however!) so it might not be a big deal to an AP biding her time until a divorce. But for all we know, the AP could have been happy to have been with a married man and wanted to keep it casual. We just don't know IMO.

Agree. The AP may have been seeing other people as well since she couldn't even visit the mansion and after work playtime for an hour wasn't as fun no more.

 

[Thepoet]

It never was, to my knowledge. But I brought up the possibility of CW having a psychological evaluation, as part of the trial. Maybe that's where it came from. I had asked a question as to what the possibility is that there would be one and if the lawyers had to request it, or what situation would be typical in which they would order it, but I don't think anyone has answered yet. I am very curious to know.

I don't believe a psychiatric evaluation is mandatory unless he pleads diminished capacity or some other psychological reason.

 

[MassGuy]

I don't believe a psychiatric evaluation is mandatory unless he pleads diminished capacity or some other psychological reason.

True. It’s not like he has that card to play anyways, because his effort to commit a coverup is proof that he knew what he did was wrong.

 

[Thepoet]

BBM: He must be a known liar previous to the murders because he had to lie to carry on affairs, and in order to carry out those affairs undetected he must have lied to SW (possibly others too) regarding his whereabouts etc. Having an affair usually entails lying. MOO.

In CW's case probably lying to his boss and maybe co-workers.