Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #4

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  • #681
that would be interesting

i sure don't know how but they are somehow archive and can be returned
I have a friend that tried to delete his FB account and complained that it can’t actually be done—that you could only deactivate it. That would leave the info on FB servers, so it would be there if they changed their mind and re-activated.

That said, he did a few years ago. And given all the bad publicity FB has gotten about privacy, it’s possible they have changed that.

ETA: According to this article, you can either deactivate or permanently delete now—but it may take up to 90 days for all your info to be removed from FB servers. So LE has a good chance of being able to recover it, if they move quickly for the warrant. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.zd...o-delete-or-deactivate-your-facebook-account/
 
  • #682
thanks esmerelda.
it's at the very end, odd and then I thought wow what would my reaction be asking about my shirt when my babies were missing????
 
  • #683
I have a friend that tried to delete his FB account and complained that it can’t actually be done—that you could only deactivate it. That would leave the info on FB servers, so it would be there if they changed their mind and re-activated.

That said, he did a few years ago. And given all the bad publicity FB has gotten about privacy, it’s possible they have changed that.

You can permanently delete Facebook and always could. They just don’t make it easy.

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  • #684
Question, and sorry if this has been covered, Im sure it has, do we know exactly what promoted Shanann’s friend to call in a wellness check? Tia.
'Apparently' NU could not reach SW Monday morning and NU
knew SW had an OBYN appt. Mon. morning and NU somehow knew SW did not make it to dr. appt.
 
  • #685
I don't think the CW she married is the same CW that murdered her and her family. Something snapped recently. Reading thru his twitter he's just a dude that's into sports, thinks he has a hot wife and loved his kids...really would have loved to see his facebook. I did find it interesting that he compared his rambunctious daughter to his wife and the calm one to him.
 
  • #686
I think in the effort not to "victim blame" some are ignoring some obvious issues with this family. I appreciate your comment that he wanted to get off the Merry Go Round. It reminds me of his interview where I think he said something that came very much from him: This has got to stop.
In my first marriage I was married to someone who immediately quit and started their own business. A failing business that did not help support the family. Yet he wanted to do this because he did not have to do the traditional work, seemed like a success because he owned his own business, was all about the next "trip" and the trappings of keeping up with the Joneses. I had a great job for the area and we should have been fine. What I did not have is the appropriate boundaries to make the spiraling Merry Go Round stop as we kept spiraling into debt. At one point, due to me helping his family maintain medical care during a harrowing medical issue that involved them, they gifted us with $50k at the end of it. Instead of using that for the debt we accumulated, he went and spent most of it on a truck. And although there were two of us in the relationship I felt very resentful and unable to stop the Merry Go Round. He certainly did not deserve to die. He had many positive qualities. I had many bad qualities that were not right for the marriage as well. So this is not a "blame my ex" post. But the two of us together were horrible from a financial point of view. I am a very strong woman who does well in business settings. I am assertive. Yet with this relationship I could not "right" the financial ship until I divorced him. I simply was unable to do it. The stress caused me to have huge issues with myself. I drank till oblivion to numb the situation. I ate tons. I got the heaviest I have ever been. This was not his "fault". This is how I handled his spending and my lack of control. It was destructive. And it felt like a careening roller coaster I could not remove myself from. I did not see at the time I actually could just hop off.
Some of you think she was making a ton of money. I am not going to argue that at this time. I do not believe she was. I believe she was deep into the idea of success and felt that at any point this business of hers was going to break thru to get her family to financial success. I believe they simply were people who could not handle their finances much like my first marriage. I believe that he felt trapped by it. I believe that he unfortunately, did not see a way out, that did not involve making sure he was OK but if the others had to go- so be it. He is a broken human being. Incredibly broken. Unfathomably broken. But I do not think pointing out this could have been a powder keg of two people who were headed for another choppy financial crisis is a stretch. Having to put house up for sell, court case, another baby on the way, and an MLM I am sure wasn't garnering the money some of you think it was are indicators to me. Plus I am pretty sure you can't dismiss student loans in a bankruptcy. (I could be wrong about that). Again, this is all hypothesis and I know that. I am putting my experience onto a situation and I see that as well. I just do not see the psychopath some of you do. I see a "snap" with some short, bad premeditation. I see a powder keg that exploded.

I am so impressed by your openness and your insight into this kind of financial quagmire. I can tell you are so much stronger for your struggle.
 
  • #687
Thank you for this, SuperTmo.

We are sadly aware that the time that the woman is going to leave is the most dangerous time of all.

I think this is the saddest part. IMO she knew he was scary and toxic and knew she needed to get away. She believed she had a plan and a way to get away and support her kids on her own. I believe she came back from NC and told him it was over, knowing she was going to put her plan to leave into motion after this trip. The emotional conversation seems to have happened prior to her work trip, although the phrasing of that question was a bit weird. However I think C.W. knew Shannan was leaving him after the trip.

She probably confided in her friend Nicole on the trip and Nicole knew this was a dangerous time, thus her immediate fear to her friend that was so compelling that it caused action from LE without her being missing for long.

Shanann probably thought she had a chance at a fresh start and never expected her husband was this monstrous. I know a lot of us know the fear of leaving an abusive relationship and the exhilaration at realizing it is ok to leave, to give ourselves permission to be happy. To know we can be free and support ourselves and our kids on our own. She probably felt so much relief knowing it was almost over, not realizing that he was evil. I hate that she was so close to being free.
 
  • #688
Noting for the record that this is a case, though unique (“family annhilator”), in which the perp’s awareness space played a direct role in the disposal.

(Article on awareness space for reference from Jessica Ridgeway’s case for anyone who hasn’t seen it, I post it frequently in other threads:
http://www.boulderweekly.com/news/j...-lsquoawareness-spacersquo-may-lead-to-clues/

“At this point, perhaps the best path to solving this particular murder rests with the ability of law enforcement’s geographic profilers to identify the killer’s awareness space, which is defined as that geographic area that individuals have become familiar with over their lifetime. It is composed of those places that have been incorporated into a person’s memory by repeated exposure.

A person’s, including a criminal’s, awareness space is centered around those locations that are most important to them, starting with their home and including other locations such as work, a friend’s house, the primary stores where they shop, favorite walking paths, etc. It is also composed of the transportation corridors used to connect those locations to one another.“ )

ETA: Had CW not confessed and led LE to their location, this would have been the first place I would have thought to look, based strictly on awareness space.
 
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  • #689
that would be interesting

i sure don't know how but they are somehow archive and can be returned
He still has twitter and not sure about insta but you can message through both and Snapchat is the choice for a lot bc messages and pics disappear after viewed . Browser history would also nail him . He doesn’t have many twitter followers. But I would unfollow him if I knew he killed family . Most likely deactivated fb and that can be restored
 
  • #690
I watched the video and the portion mentioned. Does he get flustered when asked about the shirt and does he back track saying that SW brought it back for him? I am missing something as he mumbles a bit. But every time he says he wants his family back he is shaking his head no???
Interesting.... I did not pay attention to woman saying ",didn't she just get back?" Like SW brought that shirt back from her visit. He certainly does get flustered after that remark. He still stays with order from Amazon, but not convincingly, stumbles on words.
 
  • #691
Does any one else think he will possibly plead not guilty to all charges and be heavily involved in his trial? I just get that impression from him due to his arrogance.

Hi Gregg

I don't know

if he actually confessed it seems there is resignation there. But a lot of times lawyers talk em into I think.

It will be interesting , because I am not getting this wildly manipulative person

I kinda think his end game now is death -- just does not have the energy any longer to deal with a trial.

his lawyer appeared sharp so he might be swayed to plea not guilty
 
  • #692
I noticed one of her posts that her father has on his FB page she says "It's never easy everyday with the obstacles we have with their health" ( talking about her daughters). I wonder what health problems they had? On the first day they were ' missing' it was also stated her phone, purse and the children's medicines were still at the house.
 
  • #693
I think this is the saddest part. IMO she knew he was scary and toxic and knew she needed to get away. She believed she had a plan and a way to get away and support her kids on her own. I believe she came back from NC and told him it was over, knowing she was going to put her plan to leave into motion after this trip. The emotional conversation seems to have happened prior to her work trip, although the phrasing of that question was a bit weird. However I think C.W. knew Shannan was leaving him after the trip.

She probably confided in her friend Nicole on the trip and Nicole knew this was a dangerous time, thus her immediate fear to her friend that was so compelling that it caused action from LE without her being missing for long.

Shanann probably thought she had a chance at a fresh start and never expected her husband was this monstrous. I know a lot of us know the fear of leaving an abusive relationship and the exhilaration at realizing it is ok to leave, to give ourselves permission to be happy. To know we can be free and support ourselves and our kids on our own. She probably felt so much relief knowing it was almost over, not realizing that he was evil. I hate that she was so close to being free.

I keep thinking that if this was the case, she would not leave her kids with him at such a volatile time- just with the toxic environment and probable arguing and ugly scenes that would erupt. It would be much simpler to leave the kids in North Carolina and let them visit Dad after that initial breakup.
 
  • #694
Interesting.... I did not pay attention to woman saying ",didn't she just get back?" Like SW brought that shirt back from her visit. He certainly does get flustered after that remark. He still stays with order from Amazon, but not convincingly, stumbles on words.
It seems to me that he had all his responses well thought through and rehearsed but got flustered because he knew he got cornered and wasn't expecting that inquiry and he also know how he answered the question would incriminate himself. IMO
 
  • #695
'Apparently' NU could not reach SW Monday morning and NU
knew SW had an OBYN appt. Mon. morning and NU somehow knew SW did not make it to dr. appt.

Maybe SW confided in NU about leaving? Quite possibly even invited NU to go with her to Dr. Appt? Perhaps NU knew there is no way SW would miss that Dr. Appt.
 
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Here is the Channel 9 news video with CW done outside his home, on the driveway

Watch it first with the sound off:
Full interview with Chris Watts 24 hours before he reportedly confessed to killing family

His body language is very very distracting: The body hugging with both, but especially the right arm.... the bobbing, the rocking side-to-side, the facial expressions,

For the most part he gestures only with his left hand while his right is tightly clasped across his body hugging his left chest.

Near the end, the reporter (cleverly and very astutely) asks him about his Carolina Tarheels jersey and his demeanor changes dramatically. He drops his shoulders, opens up both arms and lifts his shirt up a little. His face relaxes and he smiles. It's clearly a relief at at that moment that he doesnt have to answer another difficult question, but can talk about sports. Then the reporter asks another question about the disappearance and he instantly goes back into the defensive, body hugging stance.

It reminds me very much of a little boy who has been caught doing something bad, but refuses to cooperate with his mom and just keeps trying to deny it. I certainly don't get any sense of menace or open cruelty from it. He doesnt have the slick pompousness of Scott Peterson of the arrogance of Drew Peterson in this video.

Forensic psychologists will have a field day with this.
 
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  • #698
I'm basically crawling out of my own skin waiting for updates on this.

I'm not familiar with the American court system, what sort of information is likely to come out today /tomorrow? Will his statement of events be released?
 
  • #699
I keep thinking that if this was the case, she would not leave her kids with him at such a volatile time- just with the toxic environment and probable arguing and ugly scenes that would erupt. It would be much simpler to leave the kids in North Carolina and let them visit Dad after that initial breakup.

She may have thought she was in possible danger but never the children. Perhaps?

We have no way of knowing unless her friend Nicole speaks about the situation and what Shanann confided in her.

We may never know.
 
  • #700
Interesting.... I did not pay attention to woman saying ",didn't she just get back?" Like SW brought that shirt back from her visit. He certainly does get flustered after that remark. He still stays with order from Amazon, but not convincingly, stumbles on words.
HOLY CHRIST!!!! When asked about shirt, "didn't she just get back?" He says yeah she probably brought this back! !!!! Meaning the SOB had the arrogance to claim his shirt. After he killed them. I mean even if he thought they were missing he went thru luggage and grabbed this shirt to wear. Who does that!!!????
 
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