Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #40

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  • #141
How do you know she didn't make any videos during her trip to NC?


I believe this has been discussed on previous threads that many of her posts were removed before it was eulogized. Also, I just yesterday saw a video of her at the house with the two children in North Carolina when they were out playing in the rain.
 
  • #142
Ahh ok. The bedding might have been a comforter/blanket/doona. I'm a little tired and slow too! :oops:

While we don't know for certain, I think it's reasonable to assume that the sheets were from the master bedroom. The Affidavit said the bed had been stripped and the bedding was on the floor but that could also have included a blanket or duvet. It also stated that the sheet found at the oil field matched the pattern of several pillowcases and a top sheet recovered from a kitchen trash can.

Nowhere was it stated in the Affidavit that sheets or pillowcases were missing from the children's beds.
 
  • #143
I believe this has been discussed on previous threads that many of her posts were removed before it was eulogized. Also, I just yesterday saw a video of her at the house with the two children in North Carolina when they were out playing in the rain.
Videos can be posted with a private viewership, with complete public viewership, with just a few ppl able to click in, or not posted at all but still filmed. As we all know. It's just sometimes I see an effort to portray that Shan'nan's entire life was online. Maybe she actually took MORE videos during that time period, with the Gparents, and didn't feel like posting them as they didn't relate to her business postings. And maybe many of her previous videos were posted with her parents in mind, because they didn't live very close. I don't think SW was as upset as others do at the thought of losing that guy who had possibly been bringing home STDs for 10 months.
 
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  • #144
Respectfully, you seem to want to dissect every aspect of my opinion. And rereading my comment will show you I am in no way giving them equal weight, because it's apples and oranges and no comparison is made.

To put it more plainly for you, CW being a horrible murderer doesn't magically make me regard the "spraying" video as very nice. Additionally, I stated I feel the spraying video could not show SW was at fault or trigger CW to kill them all.

I'll let my words stand and people can try to understand them or not, as they choose.

Serious question...if CW did it, then why does the spraying video matter?
 
  • #145
Do you have asthma? If so, are you also implying that taking a shower could trigger an attack? I think SW was an extremely loving Mum, and one that would never endanger her children. Carefree summers with squirt gums are some of my favorite childhood memories. They were low tech and inexpensive -- and came in every color you could think of. Brilliant fun.

Yes, I have asthma and a splash of water in MY face would cause me problems. The discussion was about the "spraying" video. The contention was one faction saying it cannot be reasonably interpreted except as a fun, benign happening. And I don't feel that way. I don't have to regard SW as a flawless person in order to be sad she was murdered and the girls murdered. And I feel the videos give a lot of clues about the crime and how I think SW was being gaslighted by CW. Reasonable people can differ, and I like to hear various opinions, not jump on them or try to shut them down when they don't jive with mine.

Edited, spelled jive wrong
 
  • #146
Maybe it could. But it didn't. I think everyone who watched the very long water spraying video can agree with that. So what point are you trying to make by bring up something that could have happened but did not happen? How does it relate to the murders? I look forward to reading more about your viewpoint tomorrow. :)

My point was IRT my view of the spraying video. I felt there was an undercurrent of restlessness in the video. I felt SW seemed unusually not herself, with the spraying in the face, and I wondered what could cause that, and IMO maybe she was stressed because CW was already cheating on her and gaslighting her about it. When someone gaslights you, it distracts you.
 
  • #147
My point was IRT my view of the spraying video. I felt there was an undercurrent of restlessness in the video. I felt SW seemed unusually not herself, with the spraying in the face, and I wondered what could cause that, and IMO maybe she was stressed because CW was already cheating on her and gaslighting her about it. When someone gaslights you, it distracts you.
Or maybe there was no underlying negative emotion at all, or "undercurrent of restlessness" :rolleyes: and she thought her parents would like seeing the kids playing with water. Remember the admonition from a few weeks ago that abuse should be considered because she let her VERY LITTLE kids play with the jets on a water slide.
 
  • #148
Serious question...if CW did it, then why does the spraying video matter?

Like you just did, I was responding to a discussion. The discussion was if there were undercurrents in the video. My opinion, yes. I think CW, even a year before, was causing stress, IMO, an affair secretly underway that SW could feel but maybe not prove.
 
  • #149
Yes, I have asthma and a splash of water in MY face would cause me problems. The discussion was about the "spraying" video. The contention was one faction saying it cannot be reasonably interpreted except as a fun, benign happening. And I don't feel that way. I don't have to regard SW as a flawless person in order to be sad she was murdered and the girls murdered. And I feel the videos give a lot of clues about the crime and how I think SW was being gaslighted by CW. Reasonable people can differ, and I like to hear various opinions, not jump on them or try to shut them down when they don't jive with mine.

Edited, spelled jive wrong
I've been posting on this thread for a few weeks and have seen ZERO posts which "regard SW as a flawless person".
 
  • #150
How do you know she didn't make any videos during her trip to NC?
All per HLN AB. She might have made them but nothing was posted on SM
 
  • #151
I haven't learned about the blankets for the girls.
snipped by me

IIRC it was NUA who noticed that the girls' beds were not made and that the blankets were missing.
 
  • #152
All per HLN AB. She might have made them but nothing was posted on SM
As I said, I assume that many of her home videos were filmed so her parents could "see" their beloved grandkids. Since she was WITH parents, why post videos for them to see? She was having a third child, running a business, taking care of 2 little kids, and she gets criticized for making too many videos, and now, too few videos, when no one knows at all how many videos she actually made. Now that she and all her kids have been murdered.
 
  • #153
Or maybe there was no underlying negative emotion at all, or "undercurrent of restlessness" :rolleyes: and she thought her parents would like seeing the kids playing with water. Remember the admonition from a few weeks ago that abuse should be considered because she let her VERY LITTLE kids play with the jets on a water slide.

To me, the jets on the waterslide discussion IMO that there may have been hidden things going on with the children. Not with SW but perhaps with him
 
  • #154
To me, the jets on the waterslide discussion IMO that there may have been hidden things going on with the children. Not with SW but perhaps with him
Since she filmed it, it seemed to me that the criticism was being aimed at SW.
 
  • #155
Good Morning everyone. I don't have a lot of time today to post but last night we were discussing the water spraying video and whether it was relevant to the murders. Some said they thought SW looked sad. Others said they sensed anger in the video. It was suggested that possibly the affairs were already ongoing and SW and CW were not happy at the time. These are subjective opinions that anyone is free to have. It seems pointless to argue with opinions about the Watt's family's perceived happiness in a SM video. But I have re-watched it and I'm just stumped on how these conclusions are being drawn and what it has to do with the murders. Here is the video for anyone who has not seen it:
Here are some facts about the above video that are not based on opinion:
The video is 3 minutes and 17 seconds long.
This video was posted to SW's fb April 24, 2017.
This video happened approx 1 year and 4 months prior to the murders.
Bella would have been only 3 and Cece not yet 2.
Not once do we see SW's face in this video.
Bella was not harmed during this video.
Bella did not have an asthma attack.
CeCe was not harmed during this video.
The dog, Dieter, was not harmed.
CW was watching from inside the house and present inside the door with CeCe throughout the entire video.

My Opinions and Observations Only:
I see a happy giggling child playing a game with her mother.
When SW asks Bella to open her mouth for water, Bella complies and more giggling ensues. When SW asks Bella to show her belly, Bella complies again more than once and giggles and shrieks with joy while her mother squirts her belly with the water bottle.
In the beginning, SW asks CW not to let CeCe outside.
SW squirts the sliding door window pane in front of CeCe and mentions that CeCe doesn't like the water but loves to stay behind the slider and pretend she is getting hit with water.
This shows that SW was aware of how CeCe would react.
SW knows her daughters and has played this game before.
SW even gives the water bottle to Bella at one point so Bella can squirt the glass in front of CeCe. Bella squirts towards CeCe and then turns the water on her mom with glee.
SW only objects to the water coming at her because she has her phone and doesn't want to get it wet. She takes the water bottle back after a couple times of Bella spraying towards her.
In the very last seconds of the video Bella does start to get a little whiny and asks to go in, lifting her arms up to CW to open the door and pick her up. SW says jokingly to CW "no, don't save her". but the video ends as she lets Bella go inside.
SW doesn't force the child to continue when she gets a little upset. The video ends at that point.
At no time do I see any sign Bella is not enjoying the water play until the last seconds.
How some are concluding SW looked sad or may have been angry when we don't see her face once is beyond me.
One cannot possibly judge someone's emotional state from an approx 3 minute video in which you only hear her voice describing her water fight with her children as it occurs.
And that voice is not raised in anger nor yelling any insults during the video which would indicate anger.
She is not professing anything that is sad either-- the opposite is occurring as she describes how they love to play games like this with her kids (my interpretation of SW's saying "This is why we have kids").
To say that SW was sad because she enjoyed making her daughter laugh while spraying water is so far off the mark it would be funny if these were not murder victims we are discussing. Instead, I find that insinuation insulting and disgusting.
There is just no possible way to gauge if SW was actually sad behind her laughter at her child's giggles. Why people are trying to say that is baffling to me. And if she was sad 1 year and 4 months prior to being murdered by her husband, what does that reveal?
This video also offers no evidence of an ongoing affair 1 year and 4 months prior to the murders. That's not to say CW wasn't cheating yet (he is a proven cheater and proven liar now) but if he was cheating it is not revealed by this water spraying video.
We barely see CW. He stays inside behind the sliding door with CeCe and opens the door to let Dieter in once.
Like many of SW's videos, CW is only in the background and doesn't say much.
But he is aware of the situation the entire time it is happening.
Yet CW is not criticized by anyone criticizing SW for spraying Bella with water.
If this water play was so bad and dangerous to Bella, why didn't CW intervene sooner? Why is he given a free pass as to his actions?
What does anything in this video have to with the murders? I fail to see any connection. Aside from the sadly ironic end where SW's JOKES "Don't save her," contrasted with the gruesome reality that 1 year and 4 months later CW did NOT save Bella. CW proceeded to choke the life out of her and hide her body in an oil tank 1 year and 4 months later.
Are some saying SW's joking in a water fun video is a self-fulfilling prophecy? I'll agree it's eerie but it's not indicative of SW telling CW to murder his child and hide the bodies 1 year and 4 months prior to him doing it. Not by a long shot.
Lastly, I'm at a loss to understand how this video could be used in court. I don't think we will see it played but if we do it will be used to show how much JOY SW shared with her children.
A joyful life that was taken away too soon by CW.
MOO.
 
  • #156
Since she filmed it, it seemed to me that the criticism was being aimed at SW.

Hm. I did not get that impression. Perhaps because to me it seemed like the concept of inappropriate activities with him and the children were brought up in previous posts. I looked at it through that lens
 
  • #157
That’s not true, she made and posted them to fb. They aren’t publicly available on her fb page though. Look on YouTube and you can find a couple.
 
  • #158
As I said, I assume that many of her home videos were filmed so her parents could "see" their beloved grandkids. Since she was WITH parents, why post videos for them to see? She was having a third child, running a business, taking care of 2 little kids, and she gets criticized for making too many videos, and now, too few videos, when no one knows at all how many videos she actually made. Now that she and all her kids have been murdered.

I think the discussion is that perhaps she did not post videos because she could feel something was wrong. Not because she did not post enough.
 
  • #159
According to HLN (AB) SW was making 14 or more videos a month but it went down to barely nothing after June (I think). The last video CW was in was the SanDiego trip and there was only one shot of him saying "what's going on." His tone of voice was not pleasant in my opinion. AB concludes there was something wrong between them at this point because she was not making as many videos. SW made no videos during her vacation to NC. Now that could have been she wanted to relax with the family or there was trouble with CW.
SW the devoted mom she was would put the needs of her children above everything if there was going to be a separation IMO
IDK maybe he wanted to leave but had no place to go so continued to play devoted dad and husband and charm SW all the while getting angrier and angrier
Interesting that Nico was still going to have his dads middle name Lee and SW looked forward to going home to CW and the girls so I don't think there were any big arguments
Per HLN AB the AP is cooperating completely with the police. It will be interesting what LE finds on the phones and computer.

I can think of at least one video from her time in NC where she’s sitting on the porch & the girls are playing in the rain. She even says, “Daddy is watching!”
Also, I believe I read that recent things were removed from her FB page before her family memorialized it, so we may not know what she’d been posting shortly before the murders.
JMO
 
  • #160
My first post! I hope I’m not repeating - as I’ve tried to read through all of the last thread but I’ve got 3 kiddos here :) )

Regarding the kinder situation. I’ve moved around quite a bit. In Fl, I found it to be unusual for kids to start “school” meaning a private daycare or church offering a curriculum of learning with a teacher before state founded pre-k within the school systems. When I moved to TX my youngest was three- there is no state funded (meaning paid for by the state- not you) pre-K and it was the usual here to put kids starting around 3 in church or private preschools - half days 2, 3 or more days a week. Those schools also offer a kindergarten option. I would imagine her daughter started one of these programs earlier bc they are less strict about age cut offs. Just a clarification for those confused about why the kids would be in daycare or if she was starting kinder in the public schools. Had I not lived here I might be confused about a lot of that.

I also have read the flight to NC was difficult and in my opinion and the opinions of others, his trip out was to help with the flight home.

You guys are great and I’ve really enjoyed reading all your posts, this entire situation in tragic
 
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