Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #40

[WildWest]

But rereading the affidavit now,

Everytime I reread it I change my mind about things, or change it back, and have more questions than the last time LOL.

 

[PommyMommy]

@Gardener1850
You were asking for a better close-up of the sofa cushions in the loft last night. You can see it about 5.45mins into this video. Just the back of the sofa appears to be leather and the sofa cushions seem to be suede or something. There are also lots of throw cushions...
Shanann Watts

Great find! Thank you, Mo!

 

[WildWest]

Is the doll picture off limits?

 

[millermills]

I dismiss a lot of stuff people view as pertinent in this case - but that picture has always nagged at me. Could go either way- kids do weird stuff. I am mostly dismissive of it but it does kind of hang around in my mind

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Agree. The press doing a interview that quickly seems like they were directed to by LE or Nua to help catch him up in lies.

It was stated that a press release was done at 7 a.m. on Tuesday morning. Come to think of it, I'm surprised that we've never had a poster find that press release and post it if I can recall correctly. Some press releases aren't to the public, they are only through special media channels, but I would think that a poster here had access to such.

 

[DexterMorgan]

I agree that LE wanted to encourage media interviews, but I don't think trying to interview the remaining family member from the house of a missing pregnant woman and her two toddlers the day after they are reported missing with all their things left at home is early for the press. Just IMO.

Agree. The press will sometimes show up quickly in certain suburban communities of a missing woman or family.

 

[Mellowmelly]

We have heard the opinions of many experts as to CW's porch performances; I ran across this one this morning and don't remember it being posted, although I sure could have missed it.

Gene West, former FBI behavioral science expert says, "He realizes what he's done; that his story is unraveling. And that's probably his main concern during the course of that interview. There was no focus on his wife and children."

That’s interesting he confessed “I killed them all”
So he then must have taken that confession back claiming SW killed the girls. That will not look good if it goes to trial, I don’t think the prosecution will need to do much work to nail him, he’s doing it all by himself.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

Thank you for posting that, Gardener. I just can't believe the insinuations they are making regarding that fun video.

And as far as that fun video goes, what in the world does it have to do with or prove about the present case???

 

[scandinavian girl]

About the videos: I think these videos are a golden treasure for those who lost their daughter and grandchildren. And therefor I think the world should treat the videos with respect.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

That’s interesting he confessed “I killed them all”
So he then must have taken that confession back claiming SW killed the girls. That will not look good if it goes to trial, I don’t think the prosecution will need to do much work to nail him, he’s doing it all by himself.

I believe that quote from the reporter, that he killed them all, was in the first day or two when the brother and others had thought that he confessed to killing all of them because they had just learned that he had confessed, and knew where the bodies were. So the Assumption was at the very beginning that he had confessed to killing them all. In my opinion. That's a carryover from the initial misreporting.

 

[MerryB]

Do you have children? I'm asking because children in general love playing in water or anything to do with water. We'd have to file charges on 80% of parents or more if playing with water/squirting them constituted hostility. It's like saying that parents who tickle their kids are hostile. <modsnip - rude>

I do have children. I also work with children & families. In fact, if this video becomes an issue in the case and/or the central theme of hostility I personally find disturbing is a main point of discussion (which it may never be), I might consider becoming verified. As of right now, my career has no bearing on our discussions, other than to say I feel that I have a good point of reference for my opinions on this.

 

[cailleach]

I don’t want to feed it- but I just wanted to say .. my hubby and I are from the northeast . I’m from NJ (may not matter or seem presumptuous ) but we are very sarcastic . I have water gun fights with my three kiddos all the time and we laugh going after them . I’ve never over analyzed the YouTube stuff because heck. I’d hate to have my interactions analyzed - as we all have a dry, sarcastic humor. And my kids drive me crazy sometimes and I certainly express it- I’d hate if there we’re videos of our interactions with our kids in light of a tragedy- for anyone to misinterpret . It’s ok to feel uncomfortable and it not be in your parental wheelhouse . It never sparked any concern in me. We are all different people , different mothers and I’ve never questioned if those girls were loved.

I just wanted to offer a warm welcome to you, @millermills This post is spot-on, btw!

 

[PommyMommy]

Thank you Mo, that is exactly what I was looking for! The seat cushions appear loose to me (and CeCe is adorable jumping on them). With all those large pillows for the back cushions it would be easily for a phone to get lost in that type of couch. So while CW may have hidden the phone there I'm not yet convinced that is the only explanation as AB implied. I so hope there is something on the phone that shows how it got there-- The start of a video, a recording, a text sent from the loft area anything. Maybe we won't find out, but this mystery of the phone's location continues to bug me. MOO.

I'm not convinced either, but what has me leaning toward it being hidden between the cushions rather than accidentally slipping between them is that recent photos show a cover on her phone. I can't tell if the cover is smooth plastic or more like the rubber Otter-Box covers.

Either way, when I watch the video (full-screen) where CeCe is walking with her full weight on the sofa, the cushions don't seem to give much. At least, not enough for a phone to "slip" between the cushions. They seem to be pretty solid. But again, I think the phone case might make a difference.
MOO

Photo of phone in AZ here: Chilling final picture posted by murdered mom Shanann Watts shows doll wrapped in FUNERAL SHROUD | Daily Mail Online

Video that shows a pink phone case during NC vacation here: Slain family captured vacationing in Carolinas days before the murders

 

[Jennifer17]

And as far as that fun video goes, what in the world does it have to do with or prove about the present case???

Supposedly, that she was mentally ill. Mentally ill means that she could kill her children and leave her poor cheating husband to have to dump them in oil vats.
Can't you see the connection?
No? nor can I.

 

[gitana1]

Thanks for reading it. I can't believe how long my post ended up being.
I can't believe the things I'm reading either. It's just a mom having fun with her daughters!

Truly bizarre, IMO.

My mother used to grab me and lock me between her legs and then take the vacuum cleaner tube and suction me all over as I screamed and screamed. It was super scary and super exciting and fun. It probably looked dreadful.

I guess she's a psychopath.

Bottom line, CW was there for all these videos and never intervened. He knew his wife. He knew everything about her. This supposedly devoted and wonderful daddy never once stopped her in those videos and he actually PARTICIPATED in them. So clearly he had no issues with her behavior.

Also, for those insinuating things about her mental health status or her supposed abusiveness of the kids, he didn't divorce her and take custody.

And he left her alone repeatedly with the kids.

In fact, according to him, he chose to tell his pregnant wife he was leaving her only two to three hours after she finally came home and went to bed after a trip, on a day he knew she would be alone with the kids all day while he worked.

Yeah. That's the time to tell an unbalanced woman you're leaving, right? Sure, she must've been a real dangerous nut.

 

[flourish]

Serious question...if CW did it, then why does the spraying video matter?

Possibly plays into possible motive(s). Your mileage may vary. Opinions are likely to vary, also, but are welcome here.

 

[Best of What's Around]

I do have children. I also work with children & families. In fact, if this video becomes an issue in the case and/or the central theme of hostility I personally find disturbing is a main point of discussion (which it may never be), I might consider becoming verified. As of right now, my career has no bearing on our discussions, other than to say I feel that I have a good point of reference for my opinions on this.

Do you believe it is possible or probable then that both parents here cared little for their children's lives? Because IMO to believe CW's confession means you believe he didn't care enough to call 911 to save his children and he also cared more about himself to dump them in crude oil (separately) and hope they stayed hidden forever while he lied to the world, expending resources to find them.

 

[gitana1]

Good observations. One thing of note-- One of our VI's (Colorado, I think?)
told us that AB's analysis of the number of videos was incorrect because some videos were removed from SW's fb by family after the murders. IIRC, this was either so the videos could be used for evidence in court or because the last videos on her news feed were receiving tons of very upsetting comments that family did not wish to see. So we should probably take the number of videos currently up and the meaning behind it will grains of salt. JMO. I agree with your last sentence, I can't wait to see what was on the phones and computer. That will tell a real story IMO.

All the videos and photos appear to still be there. Just not necessarily in her actual feed, I think.

 

[mickey2942]

We have heard the opinions of many experts as to CW's porch performances; I ran across this one this morning and don't remember it being posted, although I sure could have missed it.

Gene West, former FBI behavioral science expert says, "He realizes what he's done; that his story is unraveling. And that's probably his main concern during the course of that interview. There was no focus on his wife and children."

If we look at the first thread, when SW was missing, I remember watching his act on tv, and KNEW in a heartbeat that he was the killer. His story was a bit too embellished, he was acting, literally preening and enjoying the attention.

 

[PommyMommy]

Are we cherry picking videos again? I thought that was done. SW’s parenting, whether you agree with it or not, did not cause her to be murdered. IMO, if I were the grandparents, I’d be happy to have the memories of the girls having fun.

Bumping this post for anyone who may have missed it.