Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #41

[riolove77]

Is that your opinion or was that stated somewhere?

It was leaked sometime last week, remember? That he found out in the jail that he is infamous globally for this crime and not just locally, and was upset that people viewed him as a monster because if they knew what really happened, they wouldn't think so.

But yes, it's also my opinion.

 

[MyBelle]

My entire question began with the premise he is telling the truth.

Hypothetically, let's say she killed the girls and was screaming at him that nobody would ever believe him and he'd spend the rest of his life in prison, he snaps and kills her and covers it up, believing her that nobody would believe him.

Is he not supposed to tell the truth (that hypothetical truth) because it's distasteful or puts her in a bad light?

It's only an abhorrent defense if it isn't true.

I'm open to the possibility CW is telling the truth.

 

[Best of What's Around]

When I was in upper level courses, one class was specifically to take on a corporate situation, and to give input to the corporation itself! Each and every one of us had to give a separate presentation in case study for the corporation. I don't know how they did that, but that's what happened. Anyway I digress.

Do law schools ever have professors or anyone else that is associated with a university or law school submit to the students to do projects or case studies, to either follow cases, or to write up stuff for the defense? And actually submit it to them .

I wonder if that is ever made public if that does happen.

I just assumed it does if it happens for corporations? But then again the corporation's probably gave a stipend to the university to do such and I don't know if the public defender's office could do such.

Did not happen at my law school, but then again it was one not known for teaching black letter law. The idea was that you will learn how to practice law as a summer associate and when you go to work post graduation. Our professors were for the most part academics who wrote textbooks and many never actually practiced law. It is somewhat hilarious and humbling then when you go to work for a law firm and the paralegals and secretaries know infinitely more than you do! (yet you sadly get paid more)

 

[Best of What's Around]

My entire question began with the premise he is telling the truth.

Hypothetically, let's say she killed the girls and was screaming at him that nobody would ever believe him and he'd spend the rest of his life in prison, he snaps and kills her and covers it up, believing her that nobody would believe him.

Is he not supposed to tell the truth (that hypothetical truth) because it's distasteful or puts her in a bad light?

It's only an abhorrent defense if it isn't true.

That is a possibility, but why did no one hear her screams at 5 am? And why did he believe an irrational, raging lunatic? Why did he not call 911 to save those kids minutes later? How was he able to compartmentalize his grief and devastation at losing the kids he called his whole life? Is he an Oscar winning actor? Or did he not feel those things? It seems superhuman to me.

 

[Amonet]

My entire question began with the premise he is telling the truth.

Hypothetically, let's say she killed the girls and was screaming at him that nobody would ever believe him and he'd spend the rest of his life in prison, he snaps and kills her and covers it up, believing her that nobody would believe him.

Is he not supposed to tell the truth (that hypothetical truth) because it's distasteful or puts her in a bad light?

It's only an abhorrent defense if it isn't true.

I think maybe you've answered your own question in your last sentence. If it's not true, and a lot of people are seeing strong indications that it's not true, many people find it abhorrent to make this accusation and blame his own victim.

If it was the truth, then he'd have no option other than to say it and hope that the evidence will back up the truth. But you can't really expect people who don't believe his story to not find it a distasteful and abhorrent accusation and to vehemently proclaim that they feel that way.

 

[flourish]

That is a possibility, but why did no one hear her screams at 5 am? And why did he believe an irrational, raging lunatic? Why did he not call 911 to save those kids minutes later? How was he able to compartmentalize his grief and devastation at losing the kids he called his whole life? Is he an Oscar winning actor? Or did he not feel those things? It seems superhuman to me.

Well, hypothetically, if she killed the girls and told him nobody would believe him, she's not wrong... hypothetically

 

[Amonet]

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I would say some of us are honestly trying to understand the hypothetical and give it consideration. I also admit that I personally struggled with the challenge of it, and you might interpret that as misunderstanding.

 

[MyBelle]

Well, hypothetically, if she killed the girls and told him nobody would believe him, she's not wrong... hypothetically

very good point!

 

[Best of What's Around]

Well, hypothetically, if she killed the girls and told him nobody would believe him, she's not wrong... hypothetically

People don't believe him because he went on to commit more felonies. Threw away the evidence. If she had killed the girls, there would be evidence of that. I do not believe CW lived in a bubble. Even people with no history like ours of following true crime are aware of basic forensics. IMO there is no way he didn't know he would be throwing away, hiding, and destroying the only evidence of his innocence if we believe this scenario. If he didn't do it, there is no reason to hide it IMO. That he did so with such apparent ease has people thinking he lacks basic empathy IMO. It is scary.

 

[Amonet]

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I have got the impression from reading many posts from many members here that they have given attention to other possibilities and simply can't find anything to really support other possibilities, yet they find a lot to support that CW killed them all.

 

[Layla123]

My entire question began with the premise he is telling the truth.

Hypothetically, let's say she killed the girls and was screaming at him that nobody would ever believe him and he'd spend the rest of his life in prison, he snaps and kills her and covers it up, believing her that nobody would believe him.

Is he not supposed to tell the truth (that hypothetical truth) because it's distasteful or puts her in a bad light?

It's only an abhorrent defense if it isn't true.

You might be able to get me to consider this if C.W. didn’t dump those kids in those oil wells. That act was totally lacking in parental love, and then to lie to everyone, afterwards? It would take a dark black soul to do those things.

 

[Best of What's Around]

Well, hypothetically, if she killed the girls and told him nobody would believe him, she's not wrong... hypothetically

I am happy to explore the scenario with you, as I have been, but if we cannot answer each other's questions, then the discussion devolves IMO.

 

[flourish]

People don't believe him because he went on to commit more felonies. Threw away the evidence. If she had killed the girls, there would be evidence of that. I do not believe CW lived in a bubble. Even people with no history like ours of following true crime are aware of basic forensics. IMO there is no way he didn't know he would be throwing away, hiding, and destroying the only evidence of his innocence if we believe this scenario. If he didn't do it, there is no reason to hide it IMO. That he did so with such apparent ease has people thinking he lacks basic empathy IMO. It is scary.

We will have to agree to disagree regarding the "ease." I don't know how any of us could speak to that.

 

[riolove77]

It is interesting to me ,never has the media been considered that they are leaking certain stories , even when CW defense team filed a motion as to such . However one story from People which states he has a bible in the cell and a photograph, seems deemed a strategic move from defense. I thought the Bible would’ve been standard approved reading in jail. I see no intricate information that is new in this article. People uses unamed sourced daily imo with the same information written in a slightly different format under a new headline. Imo

Well it certainly wouldn't be a strategic move by the prosecution to leak that CW has a bible and family photo in his cell, and paint him as a sad, remorseful daddy and hubby.

 

[Thepoet]

That hypothetical just doesn't work in this case. There are known facts. So a hypothetical scene won't work. I won't list them again as they have been listed over and over. And LE has reported that there is no evidence that SW killed her daughters.

So IMO to float a theory that she killed the girls; is the ultimate victim blaming. I am a bit surprised that WS is allowing it at all. If LE had not said there is no evidence; then I could understand letting people discuss that theory. But hey its not my site and I don't make the rules.

I PERSONALLY find it very offensive for people to imply she was a bad mother and/or may have killed her daughters--when there is zero evidence to support this.

IMO this will never go to trial. He will plead out to avoid the death penalty. He should read what happened to SP. Bet SP wishes now he had taken the plea. But like most narcissist he thought he could win.

Excellent post. Very well said. Would SP be out by now if he had taken a plea? I'm not sure about CW, because I believe he's a coward!

 

[riolove77]

It is interesting to me ,never has the media been considered that they are leaking certain stories , even when CW defense team filed a motion as to such . However one story from People which states he has a bible in the cell and a photograph, seems deemed a strategic move from defense. I thought the Bible would’ve been standard approved reading in jail. I see no intricate information that is new in this article. People uses unamed sourced daily imo with the same information written in a slightly different format under a new headline. Imo

Also to add - the media can't leak anything; they're not on the inside. They're simply publishing what's being leaked to them, which is likely by a guard or another inmate.

 

[Marli61]

I have got the impression from reading many posts from many members here that they have given attention to other possibilities and simply can't find anything to really support other possibilities, yet they find a lot to support that CW killed them all.

I have thought about the other possibilities until my brain almost exploded. It comes back to he loaded all 4 bodies up.... drove them to an oil site dumped his precious daughters in crude oil tanks, dug a hole for his wife & precious son...threw dirt over their faces.. and lied over & over to LE & the public saying he didn't know where they were ..calling for their safe return.

 

[Seattle1]

When I was in upper level courses, one class was specifically to take on a corporate situation, and to give input to the corporation itself! Each and every one of us had to give a separate presentation in case study for the corporation. I don't know how they did that, but that's what happened. Anyway I digress.

Do law schools ever have professors or anyone else that is associated with a university or law school submit to the students to do projects or case studies, to either follow cases, or to write up stuff for the defense? And actually submit it to them .

I wonder if that is ever made public if that does happen.

I just assumed it does if it happens for corporations? But then again the corporation's probably gave a stipend to the university to do such and I don't know if the public defender's office could do such.

The extracurricular as you experienced exits in law school and it's called "moot court."

 

[Best of What's Around]

We will have to agree to disagree regarding the "ease." I don't know how any of us could speak to that.

Respectfully, I would find it easier to have this discussion if each of my points and questions were responded to so we could discuss the evidence. I spoke to the ease in my prior post re his Oscar winning performance. Also, he quite immediately dumped the bodies and started texting/calling his dead wife. He repeated the same lines over and over in his media interviews, evidencing planned and rehearsed lies IMO. I just do not see evidence of the broken man I would expect who just lost his children (which he said were his whole life) at the hands of his wife, whom he murdered - I cannot imagine the devastation. But I saw none of it.

 

[Thepoet]

We will have to agree to disagree regarding the "ease." I don't know how any of us could speak to that.

Conversations with NUA, with LW, and the three (3) interviews speak volumes! Ease, lots of ease. "Dupers delight", smirking, posing, preening, etc. And experts have weighed in on his behavior.