Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #41

[MKZoo]

Many people here along the Front Range are not amused by Mr. Watts and what I hear around town mirrors those comments, and worse.

This interests me in terms of the eventual trial. Not long ago it was agreed that the Kara Kopetsky/Jessica Runions jury will come from suburban St Louis as opposed to the greater Kansas City area - so other side of the state. I don’t think this helps their murderer at all, but okay. If CW goes to trial, can they get the jury from the area or do they go elsewhere?

 

[bonjoviblonde]

He murdered his wife and baby. Do you think anyone would turn themselves in after that? No matter what, he is looking at prison. Makes sense to me that he would want to save himself.

If it went down the way he claims he could have called 911 before he killed his wife.

 

[human]

I think most people's instinct would have been try to have saved their children by calling 911 for paramedics before they thought about saving themself. JMO.

How soon would any paramedics arrive?

 

[Best of What's Around]

This interests me in terms of the eventual trial. Not long ago it was agreed that the Kara Kopetsky/Jessica Runions jury will come from suburban St Louis as opposed to the greater Kansas City area - so other side of the state. I don’t think this helps their murderer at all, but okay. If CW goes to trial, can they get the jury from the area or do they go elsewhere?

The thing is I don’t see a more sympathetic jury pool coming from any other part of the state IMO. They might find people less hit by media coverage, but I doubt they will get people less likely to convict.

 

[human]

If it went down the way he claims he could have called 911 before he killed his wife.

Watch her kill and go call 911?

 

[bonjoviblonde]

How soon would any paramedics arrive?

Well we don’t know, do we? What does that matter anyway? Paramedics may take a long time to get here so instead I will just go ahead and kill my wife and then hide all of these bodies?

 

[Best of What's Around]

How soon would any paramedics arrive?

Here is the thing...ask 100 parents if they would take into consideration how long it will take for help to arrive versus give up on their kids. I would be shocked if 1 in a 100 said they would decide to just let them go. Also, they talk you through what to do in the meanwhile so you are getting instant help with an ambulance likely arriving in minutes IMO

 

[MassGuy]

How soon would any paramedics arrive?

I don’t care if it was 5 minutes or 20, when the lives of your children are on the line, you call 911. How long it takes them to arrive in that situation, there is no way of knowing.

If his story were true, they could potentially have been saved. Of course his story is a pure fabrication.

 

[PommyMommy]

Goodnight, everyone.

Shanann Watts
"I can’t believe you are 4 years old! You have grown into this incredible little girl! Everyday you surprise me with something new about you! Your kind, loving heart melts mine everyday! You’re funny, sweet, smart, caring and most of all you are beautiful! Thank you for choosing me to be your mom! I love you more than words can say! Happy Birthday Bella! Have an incredible day!"

Shanann Watts
CeCe - Bye Felicia!

 

[MKZoo]

The thing is I don’t see a more sympathetic jury pool coming from any other part of the state IMO. They might find people less hit by media coverage, but I doubt they will get people less likely to convict.

In trials like these I don’t think you even get less media awareness. Maybe you avoid any and all six degrees of Kevin Bacon style knowing someone who knows someone. But that’s about it. Jmo.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

He murdered his wife and baby. Do you think anyone would turn themselves in after that? No matter what, he is looking at prison. Makes sense to me that he would want to save himself.

This is why this site gives me pause to think, CW's actions make sense to some so naturally it would be easier to believe his claim.

I'm on the other side, I can't believe a tired and unwell, pregnant woman who's just returned from a weekend trip at 2 am is able to go full on rage, killing her 2 children in the middle of the night. She had all day to sit and stew and think up revenge against CW.
While CW was sitting at home all weekend, looking after his demanding and wilful children, his wife returning late at night from a 'fun' trip, I'd think he'd be more likely to snap. jmo

 

[bonjoviblonde]

Watch her kill and go call 911?

I don’t think anyone expects him to just watch her killing the kids while he’s busy on the phone with 911. Push her off, knock her out and call 911 while trying to save your child. It is said they had a panic button on their alarm. Hit that button. It takes two seconds.

ETA: And yes I do expect him to lie and hide bodies if he’s just committed a triple murder. But someone who saw their kids being murdered by someone else wouldn’t do that.

 

[MassGuy]

Here is the thing...ask 100 parents if they would take into consideration how long it will take for help to arrive versus give up on their kids. I would be shocked if 1 in a 100 said they would decide to just let them go. Also, they talk you through what to do in the meanwhile so you are getting instant help with an ambulance likely arriving in minutes IMO

If you put 100 parents in that position, and none of them are named CW, all of them call 911.

It is human instinct to protect your children.

A loving parent doesn’t let his children die and instead, commit an act of unspeakable selfishness.

If he’s telling the truth, he deserves life in prison. If he’s lying (he is), he deserves the death penalty.

 

[rainynights]

How soon would any paramedics arrive?

Quicker than the 45 minute drive CW took to dump their bodies. Jmo

 

[cailleach]

Crazy that people actually fall for such bs

Think about - even Manson got married in prison. Some people are just cuckoo for criminals.

 

[Layla123]

He murdered his wife and baby. Do you think anyone would turn themselves in after that? No matter what, he is looking at prison. Makes sense to me that he would want to save himself.

If he didn’t want to get caught, he should have left the kids bodies home and only disposed of SW’s body. That would have been so much easier, and believable. He could have said he was asleep, he woke up, the kids were dead in their beds, and SW was gone.

 

[NuttMegg]

Think about - even Manson got married in prison. Some people are just cuckoo for criminals.

JMD too.

 

[Tigerlily75]

How soon would any paramedics arrive?

This is my specialty. I’m a dispatcher.

As fast as humanly possible. Lights and sirens. Meanwhile the dispatcher would be giving CPR instructions.

Multiple ambulances most likely, along with police, would be dispatched immediately.

 

[Serena Angelique]

They talked about CW's fan club on AB's show today too.

9. CW has fans. Women have been writing love letters to him, claiming to have called his parents, saying his parents love him and still support him. People from all over the world are reaching out to him. A psychologist explains these women as insecure, and they’re seeking power and affiliation.
Found Deceased - CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #41

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I realize that we must operate under the assumption that we are all free and equal and receive equal treatment in kind , but it doesn’t always work that way.

IMO the Chris Watts’ fan clubs are getting national attention not only due to AB but because she can actually cite them. What is the name for women (or men) who get on that bandwagon? Or is it a problem that must remain “the problem with no name”....as Betty Friedan coined in “The Feminine Mystique” 60 + years ago?

This case makes me think that the women’s movement never even happened when it comes to victim blaming and the reasons it is permissible, and the reasons that CW continues to be given the benefit of the doubt and treated gingerly. There may be a remote possibility that his claim that his wife killed their children is accurate , but it is also his last chance at not going away forever, and seems IMO like a last ditch effort to save himself, while at the same time throwing his victim under the bus. It’s the only way he can come off as not seeming like a total heel, though nothing in his story adds up. Yet women are writing him love letters on top of everything?

Innocent until proven guilty even when his dishonest pleas for his family’s return to the press and the way he had disposed of them is paramount. His actions and words have given the most neutral bystanders chills. What could possibly be more of a stretch after his plea for them to “come home” than his “I am reading the Bible” shenanigans.

IMO there will be more pro-CW factions to come and I think that the defense is going to have a following-and we won’t be able to coin what that even is. It seems like another “problem with no name” to me-MOO.

 

[MassGuy]

This is my specialty. I’m a dispatcher.

As fast as humanly possible. Lights and sirens. Meanwhile the dispatcher would be giving CPR instructions.

Multiple ambulances most likely, along with police, would be dispatched immediately.

So you’re saying that you wouldn’t advise doing nothing, and dumping your children’s bodies in crude oil?