Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #41

[Jennifer17]

Okay so suspending disbelief momentarily for a hypothetical. If IF CW's story were true, should he not be allowed to tell his story simply because SW is now dead? Should he be barred from using his defense because it's distasteful?

If so, why? Should he be expected to "protect" her good name and just take the fall for it all?

Again, suspending disbelief.... Should he not be allowed to talk his story even if it were true?

He has told his story. No one stopped him from telling his story, but some of us, including LE do not believe him.

 

[katydid23]

I knew they had an alarm system like I have, but mine is not monitored. Does anyone have a link did it was monitored for an alert such as that??

Or is it just an assumption that it was a monitored alarm system.

I thought it was a monitored alarm system, as it was new and pretty hi-tech. All of the ones I see now have panic buttons which go right to 911 or the alarm company.

What good does an 'alarm' do if it doesn't go somewhere that can respond with help?

 

[gitana1]

The tone of this attorney's responses remind me of Garagos and Baez.

I don't agree with this. Those two are showboaters.

But this defense team? I think they are simply litigating hard and in the middle of it. They sure well know that the state's motion is to protect the state's case and not really to protect the defendant's rights. (They want to make sure they don't get the kind of jury who wouldn't be horrified by the autopsy results).

And they feel confident that the state either knew about, encouraged or looked the other way when stuff was leaked that hurt the defendant. Like "there is no evidence to suggest anything other than that CW murdered his family." Or something to that effect.

If the Watts family is able to get some fancy private defense counsel in to take over THEN you're going to see some real showboating, IMO.

But for now I just see defense counsel steadily working their case hard and doing what they can to preserve his rights, plant doubt and cast their client as a victim to be pitied.

In retrospect the only mistake they have made thus far is in showing their hand and revealing exactly the extent of what the defense is going to be, wellllllll in advance of trial, enabling the state to prepare thoroughly and line up all their witnesses and evidence to refute it.

In fact, I may be kind of flipping on that. At first I thought all those gossipy rumors we've seen spread across the Internet in an attempt to sully the reputation of the deceased victim, were encouraged by the defense team.

Oh I'm very confident that the precious "leak" about it all finally "hitting" CW in jail -a brilliant little leak meant to tidily explain away his utter lack of grief as he gave those damning pitch interviews- but all that other stuff? Sly insinuations about her mental health and moral character, abuse, etc.?

Well listen, in retrospect I now see that as strategic suicide. It was so stupid. Because now the state has months and years to gather evidence and witnesses to refute that nonsense. To address it. Put anything into perspective. Really the only time that kind of defense gets any sort of foothold is when it's by surprise at trial.

And looking at how well the defense has done this far, strategic suicide like that doesn't seem in keeping with their work to date.

So I'm rethinking who is responsible for the strategy behind leaking that "info".

Dire mistake for the defense.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

But aren't the prosecution and the police department separate entities?

exactly, I was pointing it out to @Tippy Lynn

 

[MyBelle]

With so many FB video's, blogs and SM to look at I don't think it matters if I've looked at the Bella Marie Blog or not.
jmo

iirc, The Bella Marie Blog abruptly ends a couple of months before her birth which surprised me. But I agree, there is a lot of material online. JMO

 

[flourish]

I understand that as you've stated it many times. Everyone wants more information about CW because we'd like to understand what drove him to act the way he did.

However, it's just as important to know more about Shanann as well because there's another side to her other than the one portrayed in the Thrive videos. There were two people in the relationship and we need to understand as much as possible about each of them.

I'd still like to know if you've read the Bella Marie blog though because that's more information about the sort of person Shanann was. It was done for no-one else's benefit other than her unborn child.

So that particular piece of online material is deemed okay to analyze and draw conclusions from? Why would it be published online if not for others to view and read? I personally keep things that are just for family in online groups which are just for family...?

 

[Best of What's Around]

Okay so suspending disbelief momentarily for a hypothetical. If IF CW's story were true, should he not be allowed to tell his story simply because SW is now dead? Should he be barred from using his defense because it's distasteful?

If so, why? Should he be expected to "protect" her good name and just take the fall for it all?

Again, suspending disbelief.... Should he not be allowed to talk his story even if it were true?

He absolutely should be able to tell his story, and he is. So far, there is no evidence to back up his claims, which are from someone who has already lied to reduce his culpability in this case and has reason to do so again, IMO. Now, please note he likely destroyed evidence by repeatedly moving and dumping the bodies in crude oil, so it defies reason to me that he did so knowing it would hurt his truth, if it were indeed the truth. Just my own 2 cents.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Where has it been said he cannot have any other reading material? Didn't we hear previously that he gets to read a newspaper everyday? Perhaps putting out that he only has a Bible to read is a strategic leak by his defense to make it sound like he is reading it and that is all he wants to read. Doesn't make it true though. MOO.

yes, no comment about what he is reacting to about reading the newspaper that he is allowed to for that hour. Other than the previous comment he is surprised he is all over the world as far as publicity and he is a monster.

 

[Medstudies]

Nerd here, bringing part of my post from Thread #18 9/7/2018 forward. (After seeing the recent AB transcription here, btw- thank you!)

Anadarko uses Cartasite tracking.

ROVR & ROVR SL: Decrease Fleet Management Costs | Cartasite

Note : it states Anadarko installed ROVR on their entire fleet.

Real time locations, speeds, etc...

1) The ROVR tracked his vehicle 24/7/365

2) he stated he blew through traffic lights. Cartasite states ROVR is enabled to control vehicles to posted speed limits. (In other words, the only way for CW to get home quicker was to ignore stop lights.) (BBM)

Anadarko didn’t invest in this technology for fun. I’m pretty sure his vehicle was setting off all kinds of alarms.

Adding: He had himself quite a dilemma, he couldn’t disable without setting off an alert and would have raised suspicions if he was on site without his company vehicle.

 

[molly1255]

Out of curiosity and purely as an intellectual exercise, what is your educated guess for what the autopsy is likely to show based on the defense motion? My best guess is that it (1) contains nothing significantly exculpatory or they would be shouting from the rooftops to make it public, (2) also likely has nothing too inflammatory - e.g. probably no major damage to children from being put through hole (or else they would be shouting don't make it public). As for whether CODs match his story, I don't have a guess because even if it goes against his confession, they may strategically think it is better to come out now so they can deal with it and slowly change public perception as time goes on? Just some thoughts. Can you offer yours? Anyone else? Just something to do to pass the time until we likely have the results soon.

My thoughts are strangulation was likely involved for all three, but I think there may be other, and perhaps significant injures to SW. I base that on the statement in the affidavit that he "ultimately" strangled Shanann to death.

JMO

 

[Layla123]

Love the defense snark. Lol. Sounds like the defense feels the state's motion is the pot calling the kettle black. Per the defense the state either enabled or don't care about leaks that make the defendant look bad but they care about the autopsy report hurting their client?

They have a point.

And they're fishing for info on state witnesses that may be tainted by release of the autopsy.

In any event, all of this lines up with that sweet bit of what I feel is pure PR leaked yesterday about poor CW in his cell, staring longingly at his dead children and the woman he claims murdered them.

Defense is on fire.

The defense sounds like a kitten that roars to me. Their snark toward the Prosecution seems unfounded. All the Prosecution said about the media leaks was that they didn’t do it, and who is expected to pay for the investigation that the Defense requested. https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...IRE THE GOVERNMENT TO DO AN INVESTIGATION.pdf

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I thought it was a monitored alarm system, as it was new and pretty hi-tech. All of the ones I see now have panic buttons which go right to 911 or the alarm company.

What good does an 'alarm' do if it doesn't go somewhere that can respond with help?

I guess I need to give deep thought on my alarm system, that is merely to wake me up but I don't pay the fee. Mine is pretty old.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Nerd here, bringing part of my post from Thread #18 9/7/2018 forward. (After seeing the recent AB transcription here, btw- thank you!)

Anadarko uses Cartasite tracking.

ROVR & ROVR SL: Decrease Fleet Management Costs | Cartasite

Note : it states Anadarko installed ROVR on their entire fleet.

Real time locations, speeds, etc...

1) The ROVR tracked his vehicle 24/7/365

2) he stated he blew through traffic lights. Cartasite states ROVR is enabled to control vehicles to posted speed limits. The only way for CW to get home quicker was to ignore stop lights. (BBM)

Anadarko didn’t invest in this technology for fun. I’m pretty sure his vehicle was setting off all kinds of alarms.

Adding: He had himself quite a dilemma, he couldn’t disable without setting off an alert and would have raised suspicions if he was on site without his company vehicle.

I noticed on AB last night they said the ROVR has more reliable pings than cell phones do. I found that interesting.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Okay so suspending disbelief momentarily for a hypothetical. If IF CW's story were true, should he not be allowed to tell his story simply because SW is now dead? Should he be barred from using his defense because it's distasteful?

If so, why? Should he be expected to "protect" her good name and just take the fall for it all?

Again, suspending disbelief.... Should he not be allowed to talk his story even if it were true?

I, personally, would love CW to take the stand and tell his story. He's already accused her, he isn't suffering in silence.

 

[JerseyWasHome2]

JMO, I don't think their houses were very well insulated. There was construction going on behind their home and in some of Shanann's videos you can hear the faint sound of construction noise in the background. IMO, this makes it likely that no major argument ever occurred. I think it was surprise attack and neither Shanann nor the girls saw it coming. Once he is choking them they cannot make a sound. One thing that I have wondered about is the girl's "rain machines" and how much they might have damped the noise of any struggle. I assume these are some sort of white noise machines. Does anyone know what brand they used?

I wonder if the defense can and has done an on-site test. They were apparently in the Watts' home while her family was removing some possessions. They could perform a variety of tests - close all windows and stand near a neighbor's home, or even see if the neighbor would be willing to let them stand inside. Have people in the house located in various rooms speak normally, raise their voices, yell, scream, etc. I would hope new construction would be well insulated out there, though! Maybe she had some windows open during some filming, or else the construction vehicles were just so close nothing could block out the sound entirely.

ETA: The weather on that fatal night dipped into the 40s, so it's possible all homes had all windows closed, making it more difficult to potentially hear anything.

 

[esayer]

I knew they had an alarm system like I have, but mine is not monitored. Does anyone have a link did it was monitored for an alert such as that??

Or is it just an assumption that it was a monitored alarm system.

AB gave a detailed description of the alarm system that said there are panic buttons.

 

[Best of What's Around]

I don't agree with this. Those two are showboaters.

But this defense team? I think they are simply litigating hard and in the middle of it. They sure well know that the state's motion is to protect the state's case and not really to protect the defendant's rights. (They want to make sure they don't get the kind of jury who wouldn't be horrified by the autopsy results).

And they feel confident that the state either knew about, encouraged or looked the other way when stuff was leaked that hurt the defendant. Like "there is no evidence to suggest anything other than that CW murdered his family." Or something to that effect.

If the Watts family is able to get some fancy private defense counsel in to take over THEN you're going to see some real showboating, IMO.

But for now I just see defense counsel steadily working their case hard and doing what they can to preserve his rights, plant doubt and cast their client as a victim to be pitied.

In retrospect the only mistake they have made thus far is in showing their hand and revealing exactly the extent of what the defense is going to be, wellllllll in advance of trial, enabling the state to prepare thoroughly and line up all their witnesses and evidence to refute it.

In fact, I may be kind of flipping on that. At first I thought all those gossipy rumors we've seen spread across the Internet in an attempt to sully the reputation of the deceased victim, were encouraged by the defense team.

Oh I'm very confident that the precious "leak" about it all finally "hitting" CW in jail -a brilliant little leak meant to tidily explain away his utter lack of grief as he gave those damning pitch interviews- but all that other stuff? Sly insinuations about her mental health and moral character, abuse, etc.?

Well listen, in retrospect I now see that as strategic suicide. It was so stupid. Because now the state has months and years to gather evidence and witnesses to refute that nonsense. To address it. Put anything into perspective. Really the only time that kind of defense gets any sort of foothold is when it's by surprise at trial.

And looking at how well the defense has done this far, strategic suicide like that doesn't seem in keeping with their work to date.

So I'm rethinking who is responsible for the strategy behind leaking that "info".

Dire mistake for the defense.

To play devil's advocate for a sec, is it possible that the defense assumes that when his confession states SW committed the 2 murders, that the prosecution will already be preparing to fight any smears coming at SW at trial? And so, could it be calculated that the defense might care more right now about public perception and jury pool by trying to muddy the waters ahead of time? Just a thought.

 

[mtnlites]

@mtnlites

RSBM

“They were basically jumping on this one just hours after someone last saw her, at a time when it could have been possible that she really did just take the kids and go off with some friends. I really want to know what the smoking gun was for them-did NUA confide in them with some info that we don't have yet (I am assuming so), …did CW come off even shadier to them than he did to us in his interviews, etc.”

Smoking gun? More like a canon that had just gone KA-BOOM.

NUA rang LE on Monday because she felt something wasn’t right. I believe she was totally responsible for drawing their attention to the fact that something was very wrong and she feared for SW’s safety.

She told LE that SW wasn’t responding to phone calls or text messages.

She told LE that SW was 15 weeks pregnant and had missed her doctor appointment.

She told LE that the car was in the garage together with the children’s car seats.

She told LE the house was locked but there was also a latch on the front door which was only ever used to stop the children getting out.

With the house completely locked, it was impossible for them to leave whether by their own accord or if they’d been abducted.

She would have told LE that SW had mentioned the possibility of an affair.

She would have told LE that CW told her that morning that they were separating.

Once inside, they found the bed had been stripped and the bedding was on the floor.

The children’s beds were unmade and their blankets missing.

She told them SW was meticulous and would never have left the house with the bedrooms like that.

LE found her phone between the cushions and NUA told them SW was never without it, ever.

Her purse, wallet, keys and the children’s medications were in the house.

A neighbour who goes to the gym every day said his car was idling on the driveway at 5:15 and she’d never seen him leave at that time before.

CW told NUA she was going to a friend’s house that day but he didn’t know who the friend was.

CW told Officer Conrood that he woke up at 5:00 and less than an hour later told Det. Baumhover that he woke up at 4:00.

A neighbourhood canvas was conducted for several hours later that evening by patrol and a check well-being BOLO was initiated through dispatch.

I’d say that’s one heck of a lot to fire off an investigation with on day 1.

Yes, I understand all of those things. I was simply musing on whether it was the cumulative info or if one particular piece of info swayed them more than others. That's all. I wasn't critisizing LE or any poster or even CW or SW. This simple comment of mine has been beaten to death.

 

[flourish]

I, personally, would love CW to take the stand and tell his story. He's already accused her, he isn't suffering in silence.

That doesn't answer my query but I appreciate the reply and input.

 

[katydid23]

I guess I need to give deep thought on my alarm system, that is merely to wake me up but I don't pay the fee. Mine is pretty old.

If they are paying a monthly fee, then there is someone at the other end of that alarm sound, to send help if necessary. That's how ours was, and it was annoying because it would go off if it was too windy, or something odd happened, and the cops would roll up, lights and sirens. We canceled the subscription after too many false alarms.