Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #41

[liltexans]

Oh!! If AB keeps reading here and using WS stuff, I think she should SAY she got it from WS.
That way, hundreds, no, millions of people will join!! Yay!!
(((Mods...please don't spank me))) Bwahahahahahahaha

We will welcome all of them.

We are always happy to see new members on the forum. I hope guests reading here will consider signing up and giving us your two cents on this case and any other cases you find interesting.

 

[Noreen McGurl]

He didn't look sleep deprived when preening for the cameras.

Between the amount of couches in that house with TV sets in front of them-am sure he was able to get a bit of rest although sleeping at that point, with the anxiety of his best laid plans foiled, I doubt he got much sleep.

According to the tapes the next day it was “ a nightmare” “ghosttown & the House was not the same!” Waiting for “those kids” to barrel rush him and his realization that he wasn’t going to ever “turn on the rain-making machines and kiss the kids to bed” again. This suddenly dawned on him and even may have plagued him so much that he could almost believably IMO claim that he never wanted to sleep there again.

I tend to believe that part of what he told the press.

I agree 100% but what I don't understand is if he was truly worried about them and was hoping that they would possibly show back home which we all know is totally fictitious now but wouldn't he have made up the master bedroom, put clean sheets on, clean the house, done some things to await his family, but like so many other people have said we can't even begin to scratch the surface of what's going on in this monster, excuse me, apologies maybe, man's head!

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I wonder if SW had a journal. If she did it could be telling.
jmo

 

[FlossyMay]

Oh crikey, thanks for that! Meant to type "facts" not "farts"!!

 

[Noreen McGurl]

Isn’t it awful that his parents, who probably worked and saved for their eventual retirement, now have to put their futures’ in jeopardy by liquidation everything for their son’s defense. If he did in fact commit these crimes and still allows his parents to do this for him, he is beyond heartless, evil, diabolical.

I do feel bad for them, but they did raise him and i know plenty of people guilty of way less where people say that!, sorry but true?!?!?! I feel really bad for everyone incolved but as a mother i pray to G_d i never know even a sintilla? of the Rzuceks pain!! Or the Watts!!

 

[Serena Angelique]

I agree 100% but what I don't understand is if he was truly worried about them and was hoping that they would possibly show back home which we all know is totally fictitious now but wouldn't he have made up the master bedroom, put clean sheets on, clean the house, done some things to await his family, but like so many other people have said we can't even begin to scratch the surface of what's going on in this monster, excuse me, apologies maybe, man's head!

I think that his lack of interest coupled with the inauthentic desire he expressed for their safe return was reflected by his apparent apathy for finding them, which struck friends as being atypical and off to the point that they ultimately contacted LE.

He excused himself by not looking for them when he referenced their families in NC, who couldn’t do anything while in NC.

He explained that they couldn’t even aimlessly drive around the suburbs of Denver and Boulder to look for them as he wanted to. But the police told him that he wouldn’t even know where to look. “You wouldn’t even know what you were looking for” he said. Because who is going to think to look in two oil tanks?

 

[whisperOFwings]

We will welcome all of them.

We are always happy to see new members on the forum. I hope guests reading here will consider signing up and giving us your two cents on this case and any other cases you find interesting.

Yes, you are right. I meant 'millions' of new members, all in the same day, would be magnificent.

 

[bonjoviblonde]

I wonder if SW had a journal. If she did it could be telling.
jmo

SW seems like the type who may possibly keep a journal but then again maybe she considered her videos a journal of sorts.

 

[JDough]

He didn't look sleep deprived when preening for the cameras.

Honestly, his appearance was one of the (many) things that prompted me to question his credibility/version of events very early on. Even before his arrest. The other was claiming his daughters were scheduled to go to a play date on the day they were reported missing- (but he didn't know where), when he knew they would never be playing again.

I keep searching, weighing theories, reading the thoughts of others, and ultimately hoping I will find a reason to understand how a Daddy could dispose of his babies the way he did (and admitted to). No matter what side of the fence you are on, this is a tough one to justify, IMO.

 

[bonjoviblonde]

Yes, you are right. I meant 'millions' of new members, all in the same day, would be magnificent.

Shhhh then I would never be caught up on threads.

 

[Best of What's Around]

Just watching an old Dateline on Chris Coleman. The parallels are amazing. He was even playing catch with his two sons the day before out front in their yard. He strangled them all. And was dumb...his handwriting samples matched the spray painted words he left on the walls to make it look like someone was stalking and threatening (by letters before the murders) and finally killed his family. He was having an affair he was obsessed with and didn't want to lose his ministry job if an affair was exposed. His parents believe him. He needed a bullet proof vest to wear to court. He did not testify, but his mistress did. I never paid any attention to these family annihilator cases before (other than SP), and it is just sad and fascinating. Apologies if everyone is already familiar with this case. Last night, I watched a documentary on John List, who claimed his wife killed two of their children before he killed her and another. Years later, in jail, he admitted he killed them all. Another charming guy people liked. Unbelievable.

 

[Noreen McGurl]

I do feel bad for them, but they did raise him and i know plenty of people guilty of way less where people say that!, sorry but true?!?!?! I feel really bad for everyone incolved but as a mother i pray to G_d i never know even a sintilla? of the Rzuceks pain!! Or the Watts!!

But i do feel for them because this whole thing is horrific and i cant even type how bad it is for them if you know what i mean?!??!?

Yes, you are right. I meant 'millions' of new members, all in the same day, would be magnificent.

Thank you, you will notice that I posted a lot tonight or weeks back but I won't post everyday but I do follow the thread everyday and read everything and I follow a lot of different cases and I I am very interested in investigations forensics and Criminal profiling, but as much as i try to let this go it tugs at my heartstrings, and for the record i think Shanann was a wonderful mother!!! I really feel she got slighted, but i hope she is in a better place eternally playing with all of her children.

 

[bonjoviblonde]

I remember the first time I saw the Coleman case on Dateline I kept hoping for a twist at the end because I just didn’t want it to be true that he killed his precious family. Such a sad case just like this one.

 

[MassGuy]

Just watching an old Dateline on Chris Coleman. The parallels are amazing. He was even playing catch with his two sons the day before out front in their yard. He strangled them all. And was dumb...his handwriting samples matched the spray painted words he left on the walls to make it look like someone was stalking and threatening (by letters before the murders) and finally killed his family. He was having an affair he was obsessed with and didn't want to lose his ministry job if an affair was exposed. His parents believe him. He needed a bullet proof vest to wear to court. He did not testify, but his mistress did. I never paid any attention to these family annihilator cases before (other than SP), and it is just sad and fascinating. Apologies if everyone is already familiar with this case. Last night, I watched a documentary on John List, who claimed his wife killed two of their children before he killed her and another. Years later, in jail, he admitted he killed them all. Another charming guy people liked. Unbelievable.

Coleman apparently planned the killings for a significant period of time, even going as far as to send his wife death threats in the mail.

Fortunately, in addition to shocking depravity, he and CW have a significant similarity. Complete and utter stupidity.

 

[JDough]

I think that his lack of interest coupled with the inauthentic desire he expressed for their safe return was reflected by his apparent apathy for finding them, which struck friends as being atypical and off to the point that they ultimately contacted LE.

He excused himself by not looking for them when he referenced their families in NC, who couldn’t do anything while in NC.

He explained that they couldn’t even aimlessly drive around the suburbs of Denver and Boulder to look for them as he wanted to. But the police told him that he wouldn’t even know where to look. “You wouldn’t even know what you were looking for” he said. Because who is going to think to look on oil tanks?

BBM
Oh, I can assure you- he knew exactly what to look for. And where. Sad to say, but true.

 

[Best of What's Around]

I remember the first time I saw the Coleman case on Dateline I kept hoping for a twist at the end because I just didn’t want it to be true that he killed his precious family. Such a sad case just like this one.

Fortunately, none of them have turned out to be criminal masterminds...all making stupid mistakes. I hate to think one will actually do some research and be successful. It seems very true that they just do not see that they are so incredibly likely to be caught. Ironic that all are trying to hide things from the public and/or their families and they ultimately become known the world over for much, much worse. It boggles the mind.

 

[rainynights]

Fortunately, none of them have turned out to be criminal masterminds...all making stupid mistakes. I hate to think one will actually do some research and be successful. It seems very true that they just do not see that they are so incredibly likely to be caught. Ironic that all are trying to hide things from the public and/or their families and they ultimately become known the world over for much, much worse. It boggles the mind.

bbm

Yes, and I'd suspect this is the source from which regret comes into play, if any, IMO. Jmo

 

[PommyMommy]

Just watching an old Dateline on Chris Coleman. The parallels are amazing. He was even playing catch with his two sons the day before out front in their yard. He strangled them all. And was dumb...his handwriting samples matched the spray painted words he left on the walls to make it look like someone was stalking and threatening (by letters before the murders) and finally killed his family. He was having an affair he was obsessed with and didn't want to lose his ministry job if an affair was exposed. His parents believe him. He needed a bullet proof vest to wear to court. He did not testify, but his mistress did. I never paid any attention to these family annihilator cases before (other than SP), and it is just sad and fascinating. Apologies if everyone is already familiar with this case. Last night, I watched a documentary on John List, who claimed his wife killed two of their children before he killed her and another. Years later, in jail, he admitted he killed them all. Another charming guy people liked. Unbelievable.

The similarities are amazing, aren't they? Here's another one who thought he had everyone fooled: Neil Entwistle: A manipulative sociopath who fooled everyone

"There was nothing that might have indicated that this is the way this young marriage, this young family would have turned out".

It is quite possible Entwistle fooled everyone. Against all the evidence, his parents have always protested his innocence. His friends told investigators he was a "lovely guy " and "couldn't have been nicer."

 

[cailleach]

BBM
Oh, I can assure you- he knew exactly what to look for. And where. Sad to say, but true.

I feel that "wouldn't even know where to look for them" was a transference of his belief that LE wouldn't even know where to look for them. How's that working for you, CW??

 

[Best of What's Around]

The similarities are amazing, aren't they? Here's another one who thought he had everyone fooled: Neil Entwistle: A manipulative sociopath who fooled everyone

"There was nothing that might have indicated that this is the way this young marriage, this young family would have turned out".

It is quite possible Entwistle fooled everyone. Against all the evidence, his parents have always protested his innocence. His friends told investigators he was a "lovely guy " and "couldn't have been nicer."

Ooooh, thank you! Just found a show about him. Will watch now and report back if anyone is interested.