Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #41

[human]

Just so we're all clear, the "sick mind" comment(s) surely weren't referring to me? I hope not!

Lol. An incredibly intuitive, clever, educated mind is what I think

 

[MassGuy]

Yes, I wonder if SW will have any broken nails? I agree any lack of wounds on either of them will not support his story. Of course we do not know what details he gave LE after speaking with his dad, he may have described a brawl.

The details he would have given would only serve one purpose, paint himself in the best possible light.

He’d try to make the known facts fit his narrative.

 

[DeeMor]

I absolutely agree. Disposing their bodies in oil, shows a complete disregard for them.

This was about concealment, plain and simple. If he had to manipulate their bodies in order to do this, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised.

He wasn’t looking out for them, he was trying to get them out of the way in order to save himself. What a sicko.

Agreed!.....Has there been any discussion as to why Chris would have chosen seperate tanks for his girls? Why not put them in the ONE tank!? At least they'd be together, albeit lifeless. A rather morbid question, I know. That he would murder them, and stash their bodies is horrific enough, but seperating their little bodies strikes me as callous, beyond understanding.

And was Chris legitimately 'working' at that particular site on that day? Would the company (Anadarko? I forget) have a record of the amount of time spent there? (I had originally thought that he'd 'disposed' of the bodies on his way TO some sort of central office or headquarters.)

 

[Thepoet]

IIRC there was a report early on that CW chose the oil tanks to hide the smell of decomposition. The oil tanks were certainly a place that offered the possibility of a long term hiding place. Putting the girls in separate tanks was most likely CW being careful not to increase the level/volume in one tank where it would activate an alarm. I don't see any evidence of a ritual , but I do see evidence of covering up a crime and self preservation! The grave for SW was probably necessitated by his inability to carry her up the stairs and/or inability to access the tanks where she would fit.

Here's a thought; what if he planned this out, and for some reason, thought the levels in the tanks would be low enough that he could empty oil from one tank into the other leaving one full and one empty. He could then put the bodies into the empty tank using the access door and then return a half tank of oil to the empty tank. It shouldn't take more than a few hours, but the late flight cost him over three hours and then when he arrives at the site he also finds both tanks full. Do we know the oil tanks were full? Or maybe he just didn't have enough time, by the time he arrived on site to anything except force the small bodies through the "thief hatch" and to dig a shallow grave.

 

[rainynights]

CW required child #1 for society (i.e., favorable and she's like me); child #2 is nothing more than surplus. It should be noted that these are CW's descriptions of his children after they're dead (when missing to media).

bbm
Surplus.

Great word choice. Makes me think of inventory surplus in retail, and is fitting considering my own speculation that CW saw the girls as nothing more than unwanted objects that were in excess of what he thought he needed in life. Jmo

 

[MassGuy]

@DeeMor The best I can come up with as to why the separate tanks, is some sort of logistical issue (oil levels, sensors).

I suppose it’s possible that he thought that putting the kids in separate tanks would make their discovery less likely.

This would have likely been a mistake, as you basically double the chances of discovery. If you find one body, you find both.

As for his work activity that day, we simply don’t have the specifics there. LE has the answers, we’ll simply have to wait until we have them.

 

[Davia18]

IIRC there was a report early on that CW chose the oil tanks to hide the smell of decomposition. The oil tanks were certainly a place that offered the possibility of a long term hiding place. Putting the girls in separate tanks was most likely CW being careful not to increase the level/volume in one tank where it would activate an alarm. I don't see any evidence of a ritual , but I do see evidence of covering up a crime and self preservation! The grave for SW was probably necessitated by his inability to carry her up the stairs and/or inability to access the tanks where she would fit.

Here's a thought; what if he planned this out, and for some reason, thought the levels in the tanks would be low enough that he could empty oil from one tank into the other leaving one full and one empty. He could then put the bodies into the empty tank using the access door and then return a half tank of oil to the empty tank. It shouldn't take more than a few hours, but the late flight cost him over three hours and then when he arrives at the site he also finds both tanks full. Do we know the oil tanks were full? Or maybe he just didn't have enough time, by the time he arrived on site to anything except force the small bodies through the "thief hatch" and to dig a shallow grave.

I agree his plans for SW got messed up due to ran out of time. No way his first plan was to put her in a shallow grave. I feel he thought he had it planned out well but between the delayed flight and NAU his plans all went to heck. JMO.

 

[PommyMommy]

IIRC there was a report early on that CW chose the oil tanks to hide the smell of decomposition. The oil tanks were certainly a place that offered the possibility of a long term hiding place. Putting the girls in separate tanks was most likely CW being careful not to increase the level/volume in one tank where it would activate an alarm. I don't see any evidence of a ritual , but I do see evidence of covering up a crime and self preservation! The grave for SW was probably necessitated by his inability to carry her up the stairs and/or inability to access the tanks where she would fit.

Here's a thought; what if he planned this out, and for some reason, thought the levels in the tanks would be low enough that he could empty oil from one tank into the other leaving one full and one empty. He could then put the bodies into the empty tank using the access door and then return a half tank of oil to the empty tank. It shouldn't take more than a few hours, but the late flight cost him over three hours and then when he arrives at the site he also finds both tanks full. Do we know the oil tanks were full? Or maybe he just didn't have enough time, by the time he arrived on site to anything except force the small bodies through the "thief hatch" and to dig a shallow grave.

He may have thought the tanks would conceal the odor, but we don't know that he ever said it. I think that was one of those unnamed sources who speculated that.

I think most reports have said the oil tanks were "nearly full," or "mostly full." I'm curious to know if he knew the levels in the tanks too.
MOO

 

[DeeMor]

@DeeMor The best I can come up with as to why the separate tanks, is some sort of logistical issue (oil levels, sensors).

I suppose it’s possible that he thought that putting the kids in separate tanks would make their discovery less likely.

This would have likely been a mistake, as you basically double the chances of discovery. If you find one body, you find both.

As for his work activity that day, we simply don’t have the specifics there. LE has the answers, we’ll simply have to wait until we have them.

Thank you for this explanation B Strong. ...makes sense.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

I read that his job was working on the tanks and that location may have been where he was supposed to be that day.

 

[Gardener1850]

Agreed!.....Has there been any discussion as to why Chris would have chosen seperate tanks for his girls? Why not put them in the ONE tank!? At least they'd be together, albeit lifeless. A rather morbid question, I know. That he would murder them, and stash their bodies is horrific enough, but seperating their little bodies strikes me as callous, beyond understanding.

And was Chris legitimately 'working' at that particular site on that day? Would the company (Anadarko? I forget) have a record of the amount of time spent there? (I had originally thought that he'd 'disposed' of the bodies on his way TO some sort of central office or headquarters.)

There has been a lot of discussion about why separate tanks. Some posters who work in the industry or have family members working in the oil industry have told us these type tanks often have sensors that measure the level and report back to computers at the main offices. Any large change in level will cause the alarm to go off and they would send someone to check the tank. So he may have had to put them in separate tanks to avoid tripping the sensors. I think the general consensus here is that he was only thinking of how not to get caught. He was not at all considering how horrifying most would see it to separate SW from her babies and then further separate and desecrate the bodies of his babies by shoving them in separate crude oil tanks. MOO.

 

[ZsaZsa]

He may have thought the tanks would conceal the odor, but we don't know that he ever said it. I think that was one of those unnamed sources who speculated that.

I think most reports have said the oil tanks were "nearly full," or "mostly full." I'm curious to know if he knew the levels in the tanks too.
MOO

Which begs the question- just how long had they been dead if the smell of decomposition was already present?

 

[Mellowmelly]

He may have thought the tanks would conceal the odor, but we don't know that he ever said it. I think that was one of those unnamed sources who speculated that.

I think most reports have said the oil tanks were "nearly full," or "mostly full." I'm curious to know if he knew the levels in the tanks too.
MOO

I think he was just being lazy, wouldn’t burying a body disguise any smell also ? I think he couldn’t be bothered or didn’t have time to actually dig three graves. Lazy SOB IMO.

 

[DeeMor]

IIRC there was a report early on that CW chose the oil tanks to hide the smell of decomposition. The oil tanks were certainly a place that offered the possibility of a long term hiding place. Putting the girls in separate tanks was most likely CW being careful not to increase the level/volume in one tank where it would activate an alarm. I don't see any evidence of a ritual , but I do see evidence of covering up a crime and self preservation! The grave for SW was probably necessitated by his inability to carry her up the stairs and/or inability to access the tanks where she would fit.

Here's a thought; what if he planned this out, and for some reason, thought the levels in the tanks would be low enough that he could empty oil from one tank into the other leaving one full and one empty. He could then put the bodies into the empty tank using the access door and then return a half tank of oil to the empty tank. It shouldn't take more than a few hours, but the late flight cost him over three hours and then when he arrives at the site he also finds both tanks full. Do we know the oil tanks were full? Or maybe he just didn't have enough time, by the time he arrived on site to anything except force the small bodies through the "thief hatch" and to dig a shallow grave.

The

bbm
Surplus.

Great word choice. Makes me think of inventory surplus in retail, and is fitting considering my own speculation that CW saw the girls as nothing more than unwanted objects that were in excess of what he thought he needed in life. Jmo

 

[Thepoet]

He may have thought the tanks would conceal the odor, but we don't know that he ever said it. I think that was one of those unnamed sources who speculated that.

I think most reports have said the oil tanks were "nearly full," or "mostly full." I'm curious to know if he knew the levels in the tanks too.
MOO

You're probably right about the unnamed sources.

There's so much we don't know. When did CW start thinking about the murders? Did he actively plan them, and if so, when ? Did he check out various oil sites during his job and if he did, is it possible the tanks he chose were empty or almost empty when he checked them out? What a shock if he showed up with bodies expecting empty or almost empty tanks! Was that another snafu he encountered? Even if the tanks were almost full, do we know when they were filled, over what time period? Maybe CW chose empty tanks somewhere else and then had to change his plans or decided it was too close to his job site and miscalculated the other site would be the same. Or maybe he had knowledge the tanks were going to be emptied, but for some reason they weren't. These things do happen. IMO!

 

[flourish]

So we don't know that smell is why he chose those locations. It's an idea someone presented. But not a definitive thing.

If that was his reasoning, the didn't have to be smelling yet he just knew they would be soon, as that's the nature of it.

 

[Starkville]

He could have been very careful, but data can still be recovered.

If it ever existed, it can still potentially be found. His arrogance could really hurt him in this regard, as it’s possible that he never thought he’d have to turn over his devices in the first place.

It still boggles my mind that he might have gotten away with it, had NUA not been persistent. And that he went back and faced police AND news cameras. That’s ballsy.

 

[Marli61]

I agree his plans for SW got messed up due to ran out of time. No way his first plan was to put her in a shallow grave. I feel he thought he had it planned out well but between the delayed flight and NAU his plans all went to heck. JMO.

IMO there is a possibility SW's shallow grave was temporary. What the actual plan was, no one knows though.

 

[MassGuy]

Which begs the question- just how long had they been dead if the smell of decomposition was already present?

There is no evidence that there was already the smell of decomposition.

The theory was that the tanks would conceal the smell, once the decomposition process started.

We of course have absolutely no idea if this thought ever entered his mind.

 

[Marli61]

I think he was just being lazy, wouldn’t burying a body disguise any smell also ? I think he couldn’t be bothered or didn’t have time to actually dig three graves. Lazy SOB IMO.

It wouldn't conceal smell from animals that could potentially dig up the body.