Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #41

[Noreen McGurl]

Her worst day on social media was anybody else's regular if not best day, and she gave Chris Watts meaning to live and once he lost weight his vanity won out because he was weak to begin with and latched on to her and sucked the life out of her literally! Sorry totally my opinion but based on life!!

 

[LovesChocolate]

The video of the Thrive people dancing while CW watches isn't notable to me. If it weren't for him being pointed out, I wouldn't have noticed him. He looks like someone who is bored. He's at a Thrive event, which I figure is largely his wife's "people," and therefore probably doesn't know many (if any) of them. He looks to his wife periodically because she is the only person he knows and he doesn't want to lose sight of her and be stuck awkwardly talking to strangers. JMO.

My husband is rarely comfortable around new people. If I brought him to a work function like this, he'd be surrounded by nurses and OBGYNs, bored to tears, and most likely keeping me in his sights so as to not get stuck listening to people talk about vaginas.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

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As creepy as the photo above? (Day after my wife strangled my babies to death as I watched from a monitor).



Yeah I'm often not social at events either. Usually tired. Feel weird.

That's not the point. It's his look as he watches her. I have a still shot that's pretty sinister.

The other three he's pretending to be engaged in a conversation with aren't really looking. He is.

But not at the dancers.

Those screenshots are chilling. No question.

 

[maeleemae]

I think CW was sleeping so much because he was detoxing from that Thrive stuff.

 

[mtnlites]

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As creepy as the photo above? (Day after my wife strangled my babies to death as I watched from a monitor).



Yeah I'm often not social at events either. Usually tired. Feel weird.

That's not the point. It's his look as he watches her. I have a still shot that's pretty sinister.

The other three he's pretending to be engaged in a conversation with aren't really looking. He is.

But not at the dancers.

You know, I've seen a lot of comments about how he may not have liked her doing all of these videos and sharing their lives on the internet, and yet IMO he seems to find ways into a LOT of them, even if his appearance isn't necessary. There are several videos in which she is filming herself talking (either about Thrive or about the girls) and he kind of wanders into them and hangs around, inserting himself into the narrative. She doesn't ask him to stay, doesn't ask him to join, yet he's still there. I think a part of him was jealous of her.

 

[PommyMommy]

There is an unsolved FA murder from the 1970s in Australia, the perp is Elmer Crawford, I've only recently been made aware of this man, he's on the most wanted list.
I think it's worth mentioning not only because he's another one who didn't commit suicide but regretfully, has escaped justice, never to be seen again. The elaborate scheme he devised to annihilate his family is incredible and so cruel.
I wouldn't be surprised if more is revealed about something similar with CW, in that, the murders might not be as straight forward as we think. Maybe, each were killed in a different manner and as some posters have suspected, the girls were killed first.

In 1970, Elmer Crawford was accused of electrocuting and bashing his pregnant wife and three children before bundling them into a car and sending it off a cliff. Just one day later, he vanished, and police are still searching for him more than 50 years later.
On July 1, 1970, Crawford allegedly used a roughly constructed electrocution device to shock his pregnant wife Therese and two of their children: Katherine, 13, and eight-year-old James.
A 15m electrical cord with a plug at one end and extension cord socket at the other was found in the family home after the brutal deaths, with five small wires with alligator clips attached to each one, News Corp reported.
Police believed Crawford attached the alligator clips to the ears of his three family members and shocked them to death as they slept. He then beat the children with a hammer.
His youngest child, six-year-old daughter Karen, was not shocked. Instead, she was beaten to death with the hammer.
The bodies were then bundled into the back of Crawford's car, where the seat had already been removed.
After driving hundreds of kilometres with the bodies lying dead in the back, Crawford is then believed to have arrived at the edge of Loch Ard Gorge, near Port Campbell, and rolled the car off the cliff.
The car was discovered the next day, having landed on a ledge 20m below the cliff edge.
Police knocked on Crawford's door, and believe this is when he chose to flee.


Killer Elmer Crawford believed to be living in WA outback | Daily Mail Online
Elmer Crawford | Photos | Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers

Wow, thank you for sharing this. What a vile man!

No surprise at this:
Workmates told police there was no indication he was capable of such an atrocity. No trouble at home that they knew of.

But something troubled Crawford enough to painstakingly plan what he hoped would be the perfect crime -- one that would leave him looking like the deserted husband whose wife ran away with the kids.

SMH
MOO

 

[gitana1]

The video of the Thrive people dancing while CW watches isn't notable to me. If it weren't for him being pointed out, I wouldn't have noticed him. He looks like someone who is bored. He's at a Thrive event, which I figure is largely his wife's "people," and therefore probably doesn't know many (if any) of them. He looks to his wife periodically because she is the only person he knows and he doesn't want to lose sight of her and be stuck awkwardly talking to strangers. JMO.

My husband is rarely comfortable around new people. If I brought him to a work function like this, he'd be surrounded by nurses and OBGYNs, bored to tears, and most likely keeping me in his sights so as to not get stuck listening to people talk about vaginas.

These are his people too. He worked Thrive. Most of these people likely know each other. Including him. They were constantly going to "events", doing live stream videos and interacting on social media with each other.

People forget because he took down his FB right before the murders. But friends (I think Isalybra or Colorado303) have said his FB looked just like hers.

 

[maeleemae]

You know, I've seen a lot of comments about how he may not have liked her doing all of these videos and sharing their lives on the internet, and yet IMO he seems to find ways into a LOT of them, even if his appearance isn't necessary. There are several videos in which she is filming herself talking (either about Thrive or about the girls) and he kind of wanders into them and hangs around, inserting himself into the narrative. She doesn't ask him to stay, doesn't ask him to join, yet he's still there. I think a part of him was jealous of her.

And then she tells him nobody wants to see him.

 

[MassGuy]

Wow, thank you for sharing this. What a vile man!

No surprise at this:
Workmates told police there was no indication he was capable of such an atrocity. No trouble at home that they knew of.

But something troubled Crawford enough to painstakingly plan what he hoped would be the perfect crime -- one that would leave him looking like the deserted husband whose wife ran away with the kids.

SMH
MOO

On the whole, these crimes are rare. But because they seemingly come out of nowhere, they are among the most terrifying.

You can’t prevent what you can’t see, and these guys are experts at hiding behind a facade.

You just hate to see them get away with it, but that won’t happen here.

 

[LovesChocolate]

These are his people too. He worked Thrive. Most of these people likely know each other. Including him. They were constantly going to "events", doing live stream videos and interacting on social media with each other.

People forget because he took down his FB right before the murders. But friends (I think Isalybra or Colorado303) have said his FB looked just like hers.

I just always got the impression that though he was also promoting Thrive, he was not as active and social with it as SW. That he knew those people (obviously knew NA and the Thayers) but wasn't "buddy buddy" with them as SW was. Coworkers versus close friends.

I would love to know why he removed his FB. It screams premeditation. It can take up to 90 days for FB to completely remove all traces of a user, so I wonder how far in advance he did this.

 

[MassGuy]

I just always got the impression that though he was also promoting Thrive, he was not as active and social with it as SW. That he knew those people (obviously knew NA and the Thayers) but wasn't "buddy buddy" with them as SW was. Coworkers versus close friends.

I would love to know why he removed his FB. It screams premeditation. It can take up to 90 days for FB to completely remove all traces of a user, so I wonder how far in advance he did this.

He may not have gone through with the full delete, and simply deactivated his account.

It’s very suspicious, considering what happened a short time later.

 

[pocketaccent]

Those screenshots are chilling. No question.

Now watch this one.
From 7:35 - 7:40 for the creepiest chuckle as he describes Bella who he strangled and shoved in oil tank.

 

[Amonet]

I think those were really weird, general comments about his children. Like "Look what a good dad I am! I know what cartoon characters my kids like!" When, in reality, those are very famous cartoon characters and most toddlers I know are into them. Almost everything he said, other than the "motherly" and "rampage" comments were general things that could be applied to many kids that age. Telling them to eat their supper, that one had a Sofia the First chair, etc. That whole interview made me feel like he didn't really know his kids at all so he was pulling out superficial traits.

I found it rather odd how most of what he pointed out was things like 'telling them' to eat their dinner, 'watching them' looking cute on their sofas. I would have thought it would be remembering things like cuddling up *with* them on the sofa to watch cartoons together, more interactive memories.

Even saying that the kids look cute on their sofas seems more like the sort of thing a friend or relative would say about them. It doesn't feel personal to him and it doesn't feel like he's particularly personalizing the girls as individuals, as his daughters.

Are these the words of a man who's just watched his children die as he fought off their attacker? Are these the words of their murderer?

How much distancing did he have to do from the live children that he loved so dearly to dump their bodies just a few hours later?

I can imagine someone carrying their dead child's body into a hospital and begging for help. I've seen videos and pictures of people at funerals carrying a tiny coffin. But carrying your dead children out to your truck, loading up knowing you're going out to dump those bodies, and then carrying the bodies up the steps to the top of the tanks and dropping them in? I can't comprehend anyone but a murderer being able to do that.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Yes, and I'm not sure if this video tells you or not, but they're showing photos of his dead wife.
MOO

Omg! It looked like he couldn’t control his laughter so he had to cover his mouth. Wow.

 

[Kensie]

CW, has the anticipated freedom worth it???

 

[MassGuy]

I found it rather odd how most of what he pointed out was things like 'telling them' to eat their dinner, 'watching them' looking cute on their sofas. I would have thought it would be remembering things like cuddling up *with* them on the sofa to watch cartoons together, more interactive memories.

Even saying that the kids look cute on their sofas seems more like the sort of thing a friend or relative would say about them. It doesn't feel personal to him and it doesn't feel like he's particularly personalizing the girls as individuals, as his daughters.

Are these the words of a man who's just watched his children die as he fought off their attacker? Are these the words of their murderer?

How much distancing did he have to do from the live children that he loved so dearly to dump their bodies just a few hours later?

I can imagine someone carrying their dead child's body into a hospital and begging for help. I've seen videos and pictures of people at funerals carrying a tiny coffin. But carrying your dead children out to your truck, loading up knowing you're going out to dump those bodies, and then carrying the bodies up the steps to the top of the tanks and dropping them in? I can't comprehend anyone but a murderer being able to do that.

Absolutely. The disposal of the bodies alone, is beyond incriminating. It takes a particular coldness to do this, which jibes perfectly with the coldness in those news interviews.

There was no emotional connection there, and he appeared to simply be going through the motions.

This isn’t explained by shock, panic, or drugs. It is only explained by one thing: That he killed all of them.

 

[LovesChocolate]

He may not have gone through with the full delete, and simply deactivated his account.

It’s very suspicious, considering what happened a short time later.

I hope this is the case, because then it's retrievable. Although it may just be useful for the Defense.

Now watch this one.
From 7:35 - 7:40 for the creepiest chuckle as he describes Bella who he strangled and shoved in oil tank.

Interesting. It almost sounds like his voice catches on the word, "calm." The second time he says it.

 

[MassGuy]

I hope this is the case, because then it's retrievable. Although it may just be useful for the Defense.



Interesting. It almost sounds like his voice catches on the word, "calm." The second time he says it.

I think it will be far more useful to the prosecution.

He got rid of his Facebook account for a reason, and in light of the events after that, it likely holds incriminating information.

 

[Kensie]

I am so far behind. I hope I have not missed too much.

 

[maeleemae]

Her worst day on social media was anybody else's regular if not best day, and she gave Chris Watts meaning to live and once he lost weight his vanity won out because he was weak to begin with and latched on to her and sucked the life out of her literally! Sorry totally my opinion but based on life!!

Just about every video she stated the kids were driving her crazy and she needed Thrive to survive. Just sayin’. I agree though, that he was weak.