Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #41

[MassGuy]

I am so far behind. I hope I have not missed too much.

Not really. The biggest thing is that the autopsies are done, and the media is fighting to have them released. The odds are in favor of us seeing them.

 

[Gardener1850]

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As creepy as the photo above? (Day after my wife strangled my babies to death as I watched from a monitor).



Yeah I'm often not social at events either. Usually tired. Feel weird.

That's not the point. It's his look as he watches her. I have a still shot that's pretty sinister.

The other three he's pretending to be engaged in a conversation with aren't really looking. He is.

But not at the dancers.

I didn't get a creepy vibe from CW in the "Flossin" video until it was pointed out. He does that at other Thrive events too-- just stands in the background and glances SW's direction. IDK, it might only be creepy now because he murdered her. I think he was checking to see where she was/what she was videoing. IMO, it's a sign he wasn't engaged with the conversation he was in for sure and was more interested in where her attentions were and what she was doing. It could mean he was controlling or just too insecure to let SW out of his sight.

What do you all think of CW at the Metallica Concert? See video (The camera pans to him twice):
Shanann Watts

ETA: Another Metallica Video with better lighting: Shanann Watts

(I get the creeps from him in the Metallica videos for some reason but he was supposedly happy and enjoying his favorite band )

 

[MassGuy]

Just about every video she stated the kids were driving her crazy and she needed Thrive to survive. Just sayin’. I agree though, that he was weak.

Those videos were done to promote Thrive. She was selling the product to her viewers, and that was one of her techniques.

 

[LovesChocolate]

I think it will be far more useful to the prosecution.

He got rid of his Facebook account for a reason, and in light of the events after that, it likely holds incriminating information.

Perhaps "love" notes between him and his AP...or who knows how many other interests. Other than that, I can't think of much else that would be incriminating (though messages further providing a motive is helpful enough).

 

[DeeMor]

There is at least one very loving text screen shot shared by SW on FB where he says he "loves that little peanut already!" (IIRC - may have the wording wrong). Now, does that mean he is TRULY excited, or playing a role? That, we don't know.

I would take a stab at it, and say....'playing a role'.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I think it will be far more useful to the prosecution.

He got rid of his Facebook account for a reason, and in light of the events after that, it likely holds incriminating information.

The VI said the reason he got rid of it was because after he told SW he wanted a separation she kept posting on his page like nothing was wrong.

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

Omg! It looked like he couldn’t control his laughter so he had to cover his mouth. Wow.

Like Mary Tyler Moore at the funeral for Chuckles the Clown.

 

[MassGuy]

The VI said the reason he got rid of it was because after he told SW he wanted a separation she kept posting on his page like nothing was wrong.

That was simply her opinion as to why. We don’t know if that was his reasoning.

In light of what happened afterwards, there are darker implications that tell us that there may have been much more to it than that.

 

[LovesChocolate]

I didn't get a creepy vibe from CW in the "Flossin" video until it was pointed out. He does that at other Thrive events too-- just stands in the background and glances SW's direction. IDK, it might only be creepy now because he murdered her. I think he was checking to see where she was/what she was videoing. IMO, it's a sign he wasn't engaged with the conversation he was in for sure and was more interested in where her attentions were and what she was doing. It could mean he was controlling or just too insecure to let SW out of his sight.

What do you all think of CW at the Metallica Concert? See video (The camera pans to him twice):
Shanann Watts

ETA: Another Metallica Video with better lighting: Shanann Watts

(I get the creeps from him in the Metallica videos for some reason but he was supposedly happy and enjoying his favorite band )

*Shrug* I see someone at a concert. But....I could be getting cynical. On SM, people are analyzing every minute detail of SW videos, looking to find blame in her (or him) and so much of it is reaching. We're all desperate to find the hidden monster to be able to say, "see! There it is right there!" when that may not be a thing at all....which to me, is more terrifying.
Always MOO.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

That was simply her opinion as to why. We don’t know if that was his reasoning. In light of what happened afterwards, there are darker implications that tell us that there may have been much more to it than that.

I was simply stating what the VI posted. It's up to you if you want to believe it or not.

 

[gitana1]

I didn't get a creepy vibe from CW in the "Flossin" video until it was pointed out. He does that at other Thrive events too-- just stands in the background and glances SW's direction. IDK, it might only be creepy now because he murdered her. I think he was checking to see where she was/what she was videoing. IMO, it's a sign he wasn't engaged with the conversation he was in for sure and was more interested in where her attentions were and what she was doing. It could mean he was controlling or just too insecure to let SW out of his sight.

What do you all think of CW at the Metallica Concert? See video (The camera pans to him twice):
Shanann Watts

ETA: Another Metallica Video with better lighting: Shanann Watts

(I get the creeps from him in the Metallica videos for some reason but he was supposedly happy and enjoying his favorite band )

What struck me is how a poster who had an abusive mate found the way he was staring to be similar.

But yes. Knowing what we know now and knowing the characteristics of the type of annihilator who stays alive, it's creepy to me in retrospect for sure.

 

[FlossyMay]

Did he also delete Twitter and Instagram before the murders? Or was it only FB?

 

[Deleted member 229974]

I didn't get a creepy vibe from CW in the "Flossin" video until it was pointed out. He does that at other Thrive events too-- just stands in the background and glances SW's direction. IDK, it might only be creepy now because he murdered her. I think he was checking to see where she was/what she was videoing. IMO, it's a sign he wasn't engaged with the conversation he was in for sure and was more interested in where her attentions were and what she was doing. It could mean he was controlling or just too insecure to let SW out of his sight.

What do you all think of CW at the Metallica Concert? See video (The camera pans to him twice):
Shanann Watts

ETA: Another Metallica Video with better lighting: Shanann Watts

(I get the creeps from him in the Metallica videos for some reason but he was supposedly happy and enjoying his favorite band )

He looks like a Poindexter to me.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

Not really. The biggest thing is that the autopsies are done, and the media is fighting to have them released. The odds are in favor of us seeing them.

Then the fur and feathers will fly.

 

[cailleach]

I was simply stating what the VI posted. It's up to you if you want to believe it or not.

I wouldn't doubt that's what he could have told certain people for reasons they didn't understand. OTOH, he was likely telling the people he was about to murder not long after that he loved them, etc... Cheaters lie not just to their mate but to everyone for different reasons. They paint different pictures for different people for a reason. It's called manipulation.

 

[Amonet]

API Tank cleaning is highly regulated by local and federal agencies. One of the “mandatory” reasons for taking a tank out of service (drain and clean) is for internal inspection for corrosion (Intervals can vary from 5-20 years). Other reasons to drain would be for tank repair, or if changing product stored in the tank. For example, if you are switching from an unrefined product like crude oil to gasoline, you would need a full tank cleaning by a certified, professional firm to remove all residue and impurities. IMO, the crude oil tanks at CERVI where bodies were submerged could have gone a long time without notice.

The 'tank expert' (I'm sure that's not his PhD but I guess you'll know which one I'm referring to) on AB the other week, he said the tanks fill approx every 200 days?

So what happens after 200 days, don't they have to bring in a tanker to drain the oil and take it for refining?

I'm very relieved LE figured there were bodies in there before that happened

 

[riolove77]

Good lord this Elmer Crawford dude is horrifying...

 

[riolove77]

Did he also delete Twitter and Instagram before the murders? Or was it only FB?

I think his Twitter is still up, but now it's private.

 

[Best of What's Around]

Now watch this one.
From 7:35 - 7:40 for the creepiest chuckle as he describes Bella who he strangled and shoved in oil tank.

I just watched all 3 media interviews again. In both of the longer ones, he uses the term "it's vanished" when describing that no one was home. How strange is that? IT'S vanished?

 

[MassGuy]

I wouldn't doubt that's what he could have told certain people for reasons they didn't understand. OTOH, he was likely telling the people he was about to murder not long after that he loved them, etc... Cheaters lie not just to their mate but to everyone for different reasons. They paint different pictures for different people for a reason. It's called manipulation.

Yup. He was able to lie to his wife. Regardless of whether those lies were ones of commission or omission, a lie is a lie.

I can’t imagine the horrible things he said about her to his family, friends, colleagues, and AP’s. He probably made her out to be a monster.

Obviously, he was projecting.