Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #42

[Best of What's Around]

If I were a defendant I would sure want someone like you on my jury.

I would hope for you that you are a good looking, relatively young, socioeconomically advantaged, white male. They usually get the most benefit of the doubt in cases where the evidence is otherwise clear, IMO. Some women, too.

But fortunately, the track record of juries in similar FA cases look to be pretty solid in seeing the defendant for who they are.

 

[Golden Girl]

I'm not sure what the photo shows, besides a group of people, some waiting for their meals (or not eating).

When was that post made? I have no doubt she couldn't wait to get home to her family, but when she finally did get home, she would have been very tired.

She was at a business meeting in Scottsdale, looking a bit tired but still smiling. The photo was posted Sat., Aug 11th. Her post about wanting to get home to her family was posted Sun., Aug. 12th. I first looked at her FB on Mon., Aug. 13th. after hearing the Amber Alert about her and the girls.

 

[human]

If it is 'abusive' to tell your spouse that they have a lack of fashion sense, and to pick out and purchase all their clothing for work and important events, then ARREST ME right now. I have been abusive for 36 years now.

Sometimes really, there is no choice. But it is disrepectful to the person to tell them that there is no way he can wear that. I hate doing it. Thank goodness he thinks Speedos are not ok.

 

[compass]

I'm wondering if people would think the same if the genders were reversed. Man and woman meet, he tells her he almost didn't even finish the date due to her personal style, then "fixes" her by getting rid of all her clothes and buying her a new wardrobe he found suitable.

People who are victims of spousal abuse often don't leave. Abuse is insidious in that it happens over time, and little by little so it becomes difficult to sometimes recognize from the inside of the situation. Questioning why a person didn't leave an abusive situation is really oversimplifying the complex nature of abuse.

Now, before y'all get your throwing tomatoes out, no, I don't know that he was an abused spouse. I also don't know that he wasn't.

Where's that "ducking behind the couch" emoticon? Lol

No tomatoes. I agree with your statements about spousal abuse, it can definitely be a complex issue, not easy to recognize or have the resources and knowledge to know what to do. However, most victims in this complex situation do not murder. And most importantly! I don’t believe there is any evidence of abuse by SW on cw. Certainly, buying him a new wardrobe isn’t abusive in my opinion.

 

[human]

If they go for the death penalty, he will have a mitigation specialist which will research his entire life. And will drag his entire family, including his mother his father and his sibling through the mud. Just like they did with Jody and just like they do with Casey. It will happen. In my opinion.

I hope someone will research because he did not spring out of a vacuum.

 

[katydid23]

Sometimes really, there is no choice. But it is disrepectful to the person to tell them that there is no way he can wear that. I hate doing it. Thank goodness he thinks Speedos are not ok.

I have said those exact words to my hubby before. and he LAUGHS. Because he really doesn't care about fashion one bit. It means nothing to him. He mocks people who do care.

But he works in the entertainment industry so he allows me to dress him so it doesn't hurt his career as it might, if he wore what he chooses for himself.

 

[MassGuy]

No tomatoes. I agree with your statements about spousal abuse, it can definitely be a complex issue, not easy to recognize or have the resources and knowledge to know what to do. However, most victims in this complex situation do not murder. And most importantly! I don’t believe there is any evidence of abuse by SW on cw. Certainly, buying him a new wardrobe isn’t abusive in my opinion.

Judging by my wardrobe, I clearly am not abused enough.

I agree. There’s no evidence of abuse, and even if there was, it doesn’t justify or explain what he did.

 

[human]

Ugh, I’m with you there. Absolutely 100% mothers AND fathers can do terrible damage to a psyche. But it’s very difficult to determine whether it’s the case. And there’s individual responsibility.

It’s very murky territory. Chris didn’t kill them because his mommy spanked him (or didn’t) — or whatever. She’s no more responsible for the deaths than Shanann is, for pity’s sake.

The research is very good in the book about SP. Probably generatioms of trauma.

There is a real focus now on dealing with trauma.There is wven legislation for doctors, social workers, and police to deal with trauma in a family. Adverse childhood experiences. Lots of info on the net.

I bet CW has some kind of history of trauma .

 

[flourish]

Truly, you must read the book. It is clear as day as to what happened. Every thing that causes issues including being separated from parents at birth is his story.

I'll check it out for sure. I read the book Laci's mother wrote for her, and it talked a lot about her love for dragonflies and ladybugs. I have a beautiful dragonfly crystal hair clip which makes me think of Laci and Connor, so every time I put it in my hair, I send them a little telepathic message of love and comfort.

 

[Gardener1850]

Sorry, it appears I am being obtuse.

Both of these cases brought up information during the case in chief!

It was not during the mitigation stage that they dragged the family and the upbringing through the mud. Both of them presented very private and negative, and in my opinion lying, situations of their childhood and upbringing during the case in chief.

That is why I was saying the family is going to be drug through the mud during the case in Chief. Not just during the mediation stage. And it has nothing to do with any testimony. In my opinion.

Ok. Whoa. I guess I am the obtuse one as I'm not a legal specialist and I wasn't looking at it from the nuanced differences of when the details are presented in the case. At any rate, I was agreeing with you they might try that. I just don't think it will help the case.
JMO.

 

[flourish]

No tomatoes. I agree with your statements about spousal abuse, it can definitely be a complex issue, not easy to recognize or have the resources and knowledge to know what to do. However, most victims in this complex situation do not murder. And most importantly! I don’t believe there is any evidence of abuse by SW on cw. Certainly, buying him a new wardrobe isn’t abusive in my opinion.

Most people don't murder, no. There was definitely something not right in him for that to have been even an option to him.

 

[Best of What's Around]

I'll check it out for sure. I read the book Laci's mother wrote for her, and it talked a lot about her love for dragonflies and ladybugs. I have a beautiful dragonfly crystal hair clip which makes me think of Laci and Connor, so every time I put it in my hair, I send them a little telepathic message of love and comfort.

I assume then you believe SP is guilty. May I ask why you think so (beyond a jury verdict)? TIA!

 

[flourish]

Judging by my wardrobe, I clearly am not abused enough.

I agree. There’s no evidence of abuse, and even if there was, it doesn’t justify or explain what he did.

Again, and I'm feeling like I need to add this at the beginning and end of every post, which is pretty tiresome, but of course it doesn't justify it. His actions are quite unjustifiable. Like I've said numerous times, looking at his possible motives isn't looking to excuse him, nor do his motives excuse him! We don't have to agree with his motive--his motive is about him, not us.

 

[bonjoviblonde]

I have really seen nothing that shows me a reason SW may have killed her daughters. I've really only seen "reasons" for why CW would kill SW. I will stop short of calling them excuses. We have his proven actions and words VS speculation about what kind of wife she was. She could have been the worst wife and he the best husband of all time up until murder night. It doesn't change what we know he did that night and over the next couple of days. I know the Casey Anthony jury wrecked us all but I have faith this jury is not going to buy the whole "I was scared I was going to be blamed for something my wife did so I killed her, buried her and threw my babies in oil tanks." Yeah buddy, good luck.

 

[Golden Girl]

Hmm I thought we'd been told she almost didn't finish their first date on account of she didn't like his style. So she bought/helped him pick out a new wardrobe and got rid of all his clothes from before the relationship.

I did the same thing for my boyfriend when we were students, graduating and applying for jobs.

I was helping him dress for success and less like a student, so he'd have a more presentable image not only as a date but also to land a better job. JMO

 

[stereopticons]

I believe what you're referring to is called Pseudobulbar affect. IMO, it's not likely since that is characterized by episodes of sudden uncontrollable and inappropriate laughing or crying. That's not what we saw in the interviews. He laughed, he smiled, but it was not uncontrollable.

I don't know; I'm not an expert and could certainly be wrong. But, I do know how to call an expert! @Jmartinez0303 or @stereopticons or @MindHunter13 can you please help? We're in over our heads again, lol...

MOO

Sooo behind on the threads, sorry! Inappropriate affect is a symptom of a wide range of mental illnesses and some physical ones too. Pseudobulbar affect is a symptom of a nervous system disorder and it is fairly rare. It usually involves exaggerated laughing or crying. CW didn’t appear to have exaggerated or uncontrollable reactions.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Ok. Whoa. I guess I am the obtuse one as I'm not a legal specialist and I wasn't looking at it from the nuanced differences of when the details are presented in the case. At any rate, I was agreeing with you they might try that. I just don't think it will help the case.
JMO.

Yep, exactly! It may not. But in the process it drags the family and all their family secrets and stuff that really doesn't matter to the case into the public eye. It makes them victims! In my opinion. I will refrain from calling Cindy Anthony a ... never mind,, but that's another matter for another thread.

 

[maeleemae]

She didn't make up stories to the media and hide them. CW did because he was hoping to get away with their murders.

Here’s a possible scenario. SW comes home. An argument started regarding his AP. She killed the kids so he can’t have them or to punish him. He flies into a rage and kills her. I think maybe he had a lot of anger that had been suppressed and this night, this one horrible night he lost it. Checks the kids but they’re dead. He panics and knows he’ll be blamed for all three. Calls his AP. She tells him he definitely will be blamed so he must hide them and she comes up with the whole “vanished” story and where to put them. He’s shown his passiveness, his weakness in the videos over and over again. SW tells him what to do all the time. She even states that he is a “pleasing” man...”happy wife, happy life” way. I think the AP could also have that same control over him so he would also do what she told him to do. Of course the interviews are lies. I don’t think his smiles are smiles of glee. I think they are nervous smiles. And yes, trying to save the children first is what most would do. The panic and fear for self preservation along with the AP telling him how to “fix” the horrible situation could be possible.

 

[liltexans]

I have seen a photo of all of them in a restaurant with his family during their vacation in NC, and they are all are smiling and look very happy. JMO

Hi Golden Girl, welcome to WS!

Do you have a mainstream media (MSM) link for this photo? Or was it posted on Shan'ann's Facebook page? Her FB page is allowed to be linked.

Per WS rules and terms of service (TOS), we do require links to photos.

 

[Layla123]

For those of you stuck at work today who can’t watch AB, I’ve got an appointment and won’t be able to watch and take notes until much later. If someone else can take notes, great, if not, I’ll do it as soon as I get home.