Mrspratcher
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Simple. He laughed one moment and recomposed himself the next.
MOO
I bet he was thinking about his new life with the AP at that moment.
Simple. He laughed one moment and recomposed himself the next.
MOO
NUA has said that SW was tired and not feeling well on the trip home (from Arizona). SW arrived home at 2:15 A.M., a time when most of us would be tired. SW was over three hours late getting home and anyone who has traveled knows that rescheduled flights and long waits can be frustrating and exhausting. SW was pregnant. So, is it believableble that, at that time and under those circumstances she would engage in an "emotional conversation"? Would she be thinking about anything except seeing her beloved, sleeping daughters and then going to bed? I would appreciate seeing some evidence and/or testimony that supports CW's version so that I can analyze it. To date I have seen no such evidence or testimony. None.
Good possibility.I bet he was thinking about his new life with the AP at that moment.
Here is what I think the defense could say in response to your points.
jmo
- CW is the only one who had the means, motive, and opportunity to kill Shanann and the girls - SW also had the means, motive and opportunity to kill the girls
- CW was actively involved in an affair with a co-worker, possibly as long as 6 – 10 months - Many people have affairs doesn't make you a killer, this could also be the reason why SW killed the girls
- Shanann was 15 weeks pregnant, hadn’t been feeling well, was likely exhausted, and arrived home at 2 am - CW was likely sleeping and exhausted from watching the girls while is wife was away
- CW confessed to strangling Shanann, killing her and their unborn son - in a rage because SW killed his daughters
- CW confessed that CeCe was also strangled - CW accused SW of this
- CW did not call 911, hit the panic button on the home security system or yell for help from his neighbors
- CW did not make any attempt to resuscitate or save the lives of his wife and children - we don't know that he didn't make attempts to resuscitate them
- CW confessed that in less than an hour and ½ later (from 4 am), he loaded all their bodies into his truck
- CW confessed to driving with their dead bodies for 45 minutes (or so) to dispose of the evidence - same point as above
- CW confessed to burying his wife and their unborn son in the dirt - to avoid being accused of killing all of them
- CW confessed to dumping his 3 and 4-year-old daughters into crude oil tanks, possibly cramming them through 8" hatches - to avoid being accused of killing them
- CW gave three interviews the next day and showed no signs of sleeplessness, no signs of grief, no signs of a psychotic episode - this is not fact others see it different
- CW’s actions following the murders show consciousness of guilt - possbily
- LE stated that there is no evidence that the deaths of the girls were committed by anyone but CW - in their preliminary findings we don't know what they have found since
- CW has no history of mental illness (as far as we know at this point) - the same goes for SW
I didn't want to take the time to prove it is a fact, that's why I said IMO.That’s not an opinion. It’s a fact.
That just another example of how she went out of her way to please him. She knew exactly the kind of clothes he liked and even dressed the whole family in Steelers garb to show support for his team.
I'm not so sure that CW was such a pushover. I just think it suited him to have an independent minded wife with her own friends and interests, but also went out of her way to please him and show him he was appreciated. I think everything suited him just fine until it didn't please him any longer and he was done with his family.CW rarely said no to SW because he had no testicular fortitude. He is a definite "Yes, Dear" kinda loser.
Hmm I thought we'd been told she almost didn't finish their first date on account of she didn't like his style. So she bought/helped him pick out a new wardrobe and got rid of all his clothes from before the relationship.That just another example of how she went out of her way to please him. She knew exactly the kind of clothes he liked and even dressed the whole family in Steelers garb to show support for his team.
Great post, and very good analogy - two dormant volcanoes. Thank you!"CW confessed to strangling Shanann, killing her and their unborn son - in a rage because SW killed his daughters"
AFAIK, we have yet to see anyone come forward in MSM to say that they've ever observed CW in a rage, (e.g., "he wouldn't hurt a fly"; "I've never seen him ever get angry at anbody"), IMO. This isn't alarming to me. I believe CW was like a dormant volcano, and with the right combination of events coming together, he erupted, IMO.
"SW also had the means, motive and opportunity to kill the girls"
AFAIK, we haven't seen anyone come forward to say that they had ever observed any alarming behavior (i.e., rage) from SW either, IMO.
For me to believe SW was capable of killing the girls (which I don't at all), combined with the evidence we have at this point and time, I'd likely have to believe that (like CW), SW was also a ticking time bomb waiting to explode. A dormant volcano waiting to erupt when faced with a perfect storm of events.
The chance of two dormant volcanos, created by different sets of life experiences, both erupting on the same day. It just seems entirely unlikely. Especially when considering the evidence already against CW, IMO.
CW was the only one that erupted that day, and CW was the one that killed them all. And IMO, the murders were a culmination of his cold and calculated attempt to secure his freedom. Jmo
My original points in black. Your responses in red. My responses in blue.
MOO, except for what is in red font.
- CW is the only one who had the means, motive, and opportunity to kill Shanann and the girls - SW also had the means, motive and opportunity to kill the girls What would be her motive?
- CW was actively involved in an affair with a co-worker, possibly as long as 6 – 10 months - Many people have affairs doesn't make you a killer, this could also be the reason why SW killed the girls It is one of the classic motives of a family annihilator. One of our VI’s emphasized that he wanted out of the marriage. Why would SW kill her daughters because CW was having an affair?
- Shanann was 15 weeks pregnant, hadn’t been feeling well, was likely exhausted, and arrived home at 2 am - CW was likely sleeping and exhausted from watching the girls while is wife was away He was apparently not too tired to do some grilling and get on Twitter. CW claimed he saw SW when she came home. “It was quick.”
- CW confessed to strangling Shanann, killing her and their unborn son - in a rage because SW killed his daughters He is a proven liar with no credibility whatsoever. The jurors will be instructed to use logic and common sense. A loving father does not cram his toddlers into a crude oil tank if he didn't kill them.
- CW confessed that CeCe was also strangled - CW accused SW of this The autopsy results will hopefully tell us whether he was honest about how he killed her. But again, he is a proven liar with no credibility at this point. The jurors will be instructed to use logic and common sense, and his story about the monitor will prove he is lying.
- CW did not call 911, hit the panic button on the home security system or yell for help from his neighbors How do you account for the fact that if SW killed her babies, he did absolutely nothing to save them?
- CW did not make any attempt to resuscitate or save the lives of his wife and children - we don't know that he didn't make attempts to resuscitate them. Common sense tells me that if he didn’t call 911, he made no effort to save them. Common sense tells me that anyone who dumps their toddlers into oil tanks was detached and had no love for them at all.
- CW confessed that in less than an hour and ½ later (from 4 am), he loaded all their bodies into his truck. How was he even able to function if he just saw his babies being murdered? It is preposterous to believe that someone whose children were murdered could even walk or drive at all, let alone load up three dead bodies and head to work. The sheer disrespect he shows for the bodies of his wife and babies will infuriate the jury. He needs to take a plea if there is one offered.
- CW confessed to driving with their dead bodies for 45 minutes (or so) to dispose of the evidence - same point as above same point as above
- CW confessed to burying his wife and their unborn son in the dirt - to avoid being accused of killing all of them Agree, he was covering his
. Would an innocent person need to cover their
? He could have avoided being accused by calling 911 at the time it happened. If his story were true, it could have been proven. Instead, he methodically and immediately carried out the destruction of critical evidence and pretended nothing happened. The only time this happens is when the suspect is guilty of the crime.
- CW confessed to dumping his 3 and 4-year-old daughters into crude oil tanks, possibly cramming them through 8" hatches - to avoid being accused of killing them He could have avoided that by calling 911 at the time it happened. If his story were true, it could have been proven. Instead, he methodically and immediately carried out the destruction of critical evidence and pretended nothing happened.
- CW gave three interviews the next day and showed no signs of sleeplessness, no signs of grief, no signs of a psychotic episode - this is not fact others see it different Every expert I have heard from and commented on the case agrees...Psychologists, Psychiatrists, Criminologists, etc.
- CW’s actions following the murders show consciousness of guilt – possibly According to our legal experts, DEFINITELY. According to many, many others using plain old common sense, DEFINITELY.
- LE stated that there is no evidence that the deaths of the girls were committed by anyone but CW - in their preliminary findings we don't know what they have found since If there has been any exculpatory evidence discovered, there should be signs of that. He is still in jail and his charges have not changed. He is charged with 5 counts of first degree murder.
- CW has no history of mental illness (as far as we know at this point) - the same goes for SW. Yes, the same goes for Shanann, but she is not on trial as much as some people want to make that so.
Sorry, no (I hate working this on my phone!) I meant why didn't he just leave his marriage/family instead of killing them all (which is what I believe happened, I know you don't agree) but I don't really expect an answer: nobody but CW knows why.
He obviously didn't mind since he kept dating her. Perhaps he was even drawn to her for that reason, along with her big nice house in NC. Maybe he thought he lucked out finding a beautiful sugarmama. But things didn't work out the way he hoped and he was done with that family. MOOHmm I thought we'd been told she almost didn't finish their first date on account of she didn't like his style. So she bought/helped him pick out a new wardrobe and got rid of all his clothes from before the relationship.
NUA has said that SW was tired and not feeling well on the trip home (from Arizona).
Would she be thinking about anything except seeing her beloved, sleeping daughters and then going to bed?
Exactly. It’s a great analogy and incredibly important here.Great post, and very good analogy - two dormant volcanoes. Thank you!
MOO
IDK, that might depend on if his parents are going to testify for him. I don't think he can get away with claiming his childhood was the reason for his crimes or that his parents had anything to do with it. His parents were not living in CO and could not have had anything to do with the crimes against SW, Bella and CeCe. What could he say to smear his parents? That he called his parents and his parents encouraged him to hide the bodies? No, I don't think that would fly. JMO. I think he is more likely to try to use his family members to paint SW in a bad light. We will hear about the disagreement over nuts in the house during the NC visit. We will hear about any little thing SW did that rubbed her in-laws the wrong way. JMO.
Ha! Quite logical. We can’t convict him on math though. Even if 1+1 always equals 2.Statistically, men are more likely to kill children. Statistically, pregnant women are more likely to be killed by their partners.
CW is still alive. His family is dead. Purely based on the math, CW committed the crimes.
If I were a defendant I would sure want someone like you on my jury.Your original points in black. My responses in red. Your responses in blue. My response in Pink.
- CW is the only one who had the means, motive, and opportunity to kill Shanann and the girls - SW also had the means, motive and opportunity to kill the girls What would be her motive? - To hurt CW so he couldn't have the girls
- CW was actively involved in an affair with a co-worker, possibly as long as 6 – 10 months - Many people have affairs doesn't make you a killer, this could also be the reason why SW killed the girls It is one of the classic motives of a family annihilator. One of our VI’s emphasized that he wanted out of the marriage. Why would SW kill her daughters because CW was having an affair? -To hurt CW so he couldn't have the girls
- Shanann was 15 weeks pregnant, hadn’t been feeling well, was likely exhausted, and arrived home at 2 am - CW was likely sleeping and exhausted from watching the girls while is wife was away He was apparently not too tired to do some grilling and get on Twitter. CW claimed he saw SW when she came home. “It was quick.” - That was hours earlier and SW was also posting on SM that evening - doesn't mean he wasn't exhausted
- CW confessed to strangling Shanann, killing her and their unborn son - in a rage because SW killed his daughters He is a proven liar with no credibility whatsoever. The jurors will be instructed to use logic and common sense. A loving father does not cram his toddlers into a crude oil tank if he didn't kill them. - He lied about his affair and hiding the bodies. We're not sure what the jury will be presented with
- CW confessed that CeCe was also strangled - CW accused SW of this The autopsy results will hopefully tell us whether he was honest about how he killed her. But again, he is a proven liar with no credibility at this point. The jurors will be instructed to use logic and common sense, and his story about the monitor will prove he is lying.
We're not sure what the jury will be presented with
- CW did not call 911, hit the panic button on the home security system or yell for help from his neighbors How do you account for the fact that if SW killed her babies, he did absolutely nothing to save them? - we're not sure if he did absolutely nothing to save them or not
- CW did not make any attempt to resuscitate or save the lives of his wife and children - we don't know that he didn't make attempts to resuscitate them. Common sense tells me that if he didn’t call 911, he made no effort to save them. Common sense tells me that anyone who dumps their toddlers into oil tanks was detached and had no love for them at all. - that's your opinion others may feel different
- CW confessed that in less than an hour and ½ later (from 4 am), he loaded all their bodies into his truck. How was he even able to function if he just saw his babies being murdered? It is preposterous to believe that someone whose children were murdered could even walk or drive at all, let alone load up three dead bodies and head to work. The sheer disrespect he shows for the bodies of his wife and babies will infuriate the jury. He needs to take a plea if there is one offered. - From the interview it doesn't appear that he was functioning
- CW confessed to driving with their dead bodies for 45 minutes (or so) to dispose of the evidence - same point as above same point as above
- CW confessed to burying his wife and their unborn son in the dirt - to avoid being accused of killing all of them Agree, he was covering his
. Would an innocent person need to cover their
? He could have avoided being accused by calling 911 at the time it happened. If his story were true, it could have been proven. Instead, he methodically and immediately carried out the destruction of critical evidence and pretended nothing happened. The only time this happens is when the suspect is guilty of the crime. - He is guilty of killing his pregnant wife and he thought we would be blamed for killing all of them
- CW confessed to dumping his 3 and 4-year-old daughters into crude oil tanks, possibly cramming them through 8" hatches - to avoid being accused of killing them He could have avoided that by calling 911 at the time it happened. If his story were true, it could have been proven. Instead, he methodically and immediately carried out the destruction of critical evidence and pretended nothing happened. - He thought he would be blamed for killing all of them
- CW gave three interviews the next day and showed no signs of sleeplessness, no signs of grief, no signs of a psychotic episode - this is not fact others see it different Every expert I have heard from and commented on the case agrees...Psychologists, Psychiatrists, Criminologists, etc. - Others see signs he's scared and nervous, etc.,
- CW’s actions following the murders show consciousness of guilt – possibly According to our legal experts, DEFINITELY. According to many, many others using plain old common sense, DEFINITELY.
- LE stated that there is no evidence that the deaths of the girls were committed by anyone but CW - in their preliminary findings we don't know what they have found since If there has been any exculpatory evidence discovered, there should be signs of that. He is still in jail and his charges have not changed. He is charged with 5 counts of first degree murder.- We don't know what we don't know.
- CW has no history of mental illness (as far as we know at this point) - the same goes for SW. Yes, the same goes for Shanann, but she is not on trial as much as some people want to make that so. - CW accused her of killing the girls. Sadly she's not here to defend herself, but if it goes to trial it will be discussed.
He obviously didn't mind since he kept dating her. Perhaps he was even drawn to her for that reason, along with her big nice house in NC. Maybe he thought he lucked out finding a beautiful sugarmama. But things didn't work out the way he hoped and he was done with that family. MOO