Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #42

[MassGuy]

When a person is strangled, and it takes a few minutes for your brain to die and heart to stop, do you feel anything or sny pain during that time?

Fear. You know what is happening to you.

BTK, and other serial killers have strangled their victims, allowed them to regain consciousness, and strangled them again.

It’s it’s own kind of torture.

Fortunately, I think he was just focused on the act of killing, so it wouldn’t have been a prolonged event.

Death may take a while, but loss of consciousness takes a lot less time.

 

[Best of What's Around]

Snipped by me:
Thank you for posting these with your observations, and YES, he did seem to revel in the interviews.

I think CW enjoyed those interviews because all the attention was focused on HIM.

In the videos SW posted to social media, CW hovers/wafts on the periphery for many of them, kind of like a lost f@rt in a perfume factory (pardon the analogy). He doesn't seem to know what to say or do until prompted by SW.

Unbelievable to think that CW thought the solution to his "freedom" problem was to murder his wife and children.
MOO

Like someone (sorry, forgot who it was) said so aptly here a while back...looks like he found out he DID need to be told what to do, after all. Certainly made a mess of things all on his own...IMO

 

[Best of What's Around]

Another reason why I don't think it was pre-planned and CW was flying by the seat of his pants.
jmo

Many a criminal has been felled by poor planning, but still planned. So many of these FAs don't have the best plans - e.g. another Chris C. who didn't think his own handwriting might be compared to the spray-painted words his family's "killer" left behind. It matched exactly.

EDITED TO ADD: and Chris C. planned for weeks/months beforehand.

 

[nwmouse]

When a person is strangled, and it takes a few minutes for your brain to die and heart to stop, do you feel anything or sny pain during that time?

I think it would be very painful. Hold your neck in a vice grip and press against the hyoid - I just tried it and its most unpleasant.
The panic and shock of seeing your murderer deliberately snuff out your life force whilst looking into your eyes (the mirror of the soul) is too horrific for me to even think about.
Especially when the strangler is someone who is supposed to love and protect you, like a daddy and a husband.
MOO

 

[sun16]

Fear. You know what is happening to you.

BTK, and other serial killers have strangled their victims, allowed them to regain consciousness, and strangled them again.

It’s it’s own kind of torture.

Fortunately, I think he was just focused on the act of killing, so it wouldn’t have been a prolonged event.

Death may take a while, but loss of consciousness takes a lot less time.

I don’t mean to be stupid, but when you’re unconscious, do you feel pain?

 

[Best of What's Around]

Respectfully, I didn't watch all of CW's interviews and I won't form an opinion of guilt or innocence of all the murders just based on videos.
JMO

There are only 3 CW media interviews. They IMO are critical evidence. How many SW facebook videos have you watched, may I ask?

 

[Gardener1850]

Gardener1850 - I don't have a theory. But JMO, what we've already learned is the stuff that nightmares are made of, and I don't expect for things to improve as more information becomes available.

This is the most disturbing case I've ever followed, and that is saying a lot because a close relative of mine was a homicide detective, and I grew up hearing about killers.

Oh, ok. Thank you. I thought maybe you had a theory that involved CW being naked at the oil field, since you mentioned it (Don't mind me, I'm having trouble recognizing hyperbole tonight ).

I agree, this case is disturbing enough already. The autopsy reports will probably be really hard to read.

 

[riolove77]

Lol! Yes, raw video might do it, but I would still object, Media manipulation, your honor!

Likely not an objection that would fly.

 

[MassGuy]

I don’t mean to be stupid, but when you’re unconscious, do you feel pain?

No. Fortunately.

 

[riolove77]

Yes!!! Also, what a transformation from arrest to trial! Looked like a totally different person.

He said he felt alive with the mistress. I wonder if that’s how CW felt.

I found it fascinating that the jury found him guilty based on a small lie. He lied about when the affair started, but the date an image was created proved he lied.

One juror mentioned that if he lied about something so small, he was capable of lying about more important details.

We know CW is a proven liar.

Let's hope we get a jury that logical in this trial...

 

[Best of What's Around]

More like “Objection! How dare you use my client’s exact words to prove he said something that he actually said.”

I wouldn’t be surprised if they used raw video though, showing the entire thing.

If I were the prosecution, I would play them every. chance. the. judge. will. allow. Esp. during closing argument. So powerful.

 

[gitana1]

am surprised anyone would not be interested in looking at all the information so far provided to base their opinion on.
particulary out of the mouth of said subject.

but if I was trying really hard to keep an open mind to believing CW Maybe then I wouldn't be interested in looking at his incriminating performance either....
jmo

It's quite...unusual. To dissect cherry picked videos of the victim but not have time to watch all the videos of the defendant, recorded the day after the murders?

 

[Tigerlily75]

It broke my heart watching him play with his sons hours before he murdered them while they slept.

Poor Sheri Coleman had two black eyes and fought back!

Makes me wonder what kind of defensive wounds SW had.

Oh, and Coleman’s parents! They did not want to believe their golden boy was capable of anything other than being a perfect husband. Except he wasn’t

Ugh his parents. She wasn’t being a “good wife”. A man has needs you know. Ugh. It makes me sick.

 

[Best of What's Around]

If he kicked those bags down the stairs and people still don't believe he killed them, I'LL kill myself.

Please step away from the gun....because I have news for you, a few people will still believe he is innocent. "He was so tired after fighting off SW - of course he had to kick them down the stairs."

 

[gitana1]

Man, it was almost impressive (if it hadn't been so horrifying) the lengths Coleman went to to set this up, with those letters he had been sending to his own house, and the emails, for MONTHS. The man was pure evil.

His father excused the affair Chris because his victim was a bad wife for not '"respecting" Chris by not fulfilling his "needs." His mother apparently simply refused to believe there had been an affair even though Chris admitted it.

I wonder what the response will be to what Chris Watts has been doing - having an affair? Will there be excuses because Shanann is such a terrible wife?

Other possible similarities:

“[The Coleman] house was always very clean, everything in place, everything just perfect,” he says.

Chris used to promise to take Sheri to her favorite restaurant, The Melting Pot, if she’d go to Chester with him for a family visit. His parents never quite accepted her, she told friends.

Money was another point of tension: He liked making it and living the life it bought; Sheri liked spending it and giving it away. She splurged at the mall, planned a mission trip to a leper colony, and bought food and blankets for the homeless, then drove around St. Louis distributing them. “Oh, chill out, you holy roller,” Riegerix remembers Chris telling Sheri. “She used to be so wild and crazy!”

She used to be like Tara.
A Family Erased: The Chris Coleman Story

I wonder, is CW's affair partner the way Shanann used to be? Did that excite CW? Make him feel happy about life again, instead of just boring and married?

 

[riolove77]

The videos are relevant, not unfairly prejudicial, and will come in. At least that is my professional legal opinion. And my personal hope.

Also - the fact that CW deleted his FB account a week or so prior really makes sense. Perhaps he really had told the AP that they were separated and that she had taken the kids to NC. Maybe SW was still tagging him in stuff, but he was explaining that it was just so he could still see the kids. Then when he went to NC for the last week, he was too afraid that he'd be tagged in pictures WITH her and the kids, looking like the family that everyone else thought they were.

Also - I saw some people mentioned the AP, and I agree that she (or they) is going to be invaluable. We don't even KNOW what type of information she's already provided. If she's cooperating as has been reported, they likely have a looooooot of their communications...

I seriously cannot wait.

 

[Gardener1850]

If he kicked those bags down the stairs and people still don't believe he killed them, I'LL kill myself.

Noooooo riolove! We need you here.

But I know what you mean. There would probably still be people holding out.
Maybe CW's defenders would find a way to blame SW for it.

 

[MsBetsy]

When NUA rang CW at 12:10 he said he was at the Hudson site which is 45 minutes from home. IIRC he was in fact at Cervi 319 in Roggen which is close to Hudson. I’d love to know exactly what he was doing at the time – his normal day job or something else – because he didn’t arrive home until 1 1/2 hours later.

I’m suspicious about everything he said and did at that time. The porch interviews were bad enough, but how could anyone go to work hours after those horrific murders and even pretend it was just another work day. A psychopath, that's who.

I have been going back and forth trying to determine whether CW is indeed a Psychopath, Sociopath, or has a Narcissistic Personality. At first I wondered if CW was controlling or mentally abusive, but I could not find any evidence to lead me to confirm this. However, the recent video of him looking on as SW filmed the dancing video and the comment by the VI about his becoming resentful of SW are indications that he may have been controlling, in a very subtle way.
In her own words, Shanann said that CW had no game. He was shy and antisocial. In the beginning she was not open to a relationship, as she was hesitant to his "friend request." She expained how CW took her to a medical procedure, and she was in a bad place when they met, but somehow he won her over. I believe he found a way in by being the " hero," and thought of himself as her savior and protector.
In a book written by Behavioral Geneticist David Thoreson Lykken, he wrote, " The hero and the psychopath may be twigs on the same genetic branch." One of the traits of a sociopath is that they have " high novelty - seeking needs (desire to experience new things, high need for arousal)" CW wanted to be a NASCAR mechanic. He would have been right in the middle of all the action. But he didn't do that. Instead, he met SW and got married and had children. At first, he may have been content in his role as husband and father, but as he watched SW become more independent and successful without his help, I believe he may have become angry and resentfil. She was always in the forefront it seems, while he was always in the background. The one thing people with the hero complex fear the most is abandonment, according to what I have read. I believe that that CW had a great deal of anger inside him for a very long time. Ending the relationship may not have been enough, in his mind. Maybe he felt he needed to completely erase his family, as if they never existed, so he could start over again. Jmo

 

[MsBetsy]

When a person is strangled, and it takes a few minutes for your brain to die and heart to stop, do you feel anything or any pain during that time?

From what I have read, it is complete agony. The desperate need to get a breath causes a feeling of terror, resulting in the person kicking and thrashing in a desperate attempt to get a breath. It can last for up to five minutes. Jmo

 

[PommyMommy]

Please step away from the gun....because I have news for you, a few people will still believe he is innocent. "He was so tired after fighting off SW - of course he had to kick them down the stairs."

Yep, brace yourself for that one. SP's sister-in-law said the jury convicted him because of all the evidence of adultery.
MOO