Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #42

[dixiegirl1035]

IMO, he'll try to claim it is both the AP's fault and SW's fault. He's just an innocent bystander with no control over his sex life... Of course that won't square with the many lies he had to tell to both parties but details like that won't bother him. He'll be too busy liking his new shirt that he gets to wear for court.

If they go for the death penalty, he will have a mitigation specialist which will research his entire life. And will drag his entire family, including his mother his father and his sibling through the mud. Just like they did with Jody and just like they do with Casey. It will happen. In my opinion.

 

[Deleted member 182072]

BBM. Yes, the Metallica concert was his birthday present from SW from last year. Not sure what you mean by the bolded as SW was doing many Thrive videos on her SM during the year 2017 too. Thrive probably paid well enough that she could buy concert tickets for him. She surprised him by putting his present (A Metallica t-shirt and tickets) in a box that said "LeVel" on it. I think she made him think he was getting Thrive products for his birthday and that she was going to film a video of him as a promo. MOO.

Here's the video of CW opening his birthday present (SW says in the beginning "Watch Daddy open his birthday present, he's getting a month of Thrive"): Shanann Watts

That just another example of how she went out of her way to please him. She knew exactly the kind of clothes he liked and even dressed the whole family in Steelers garb to show support for his team.

 

[sun16]

It is scary. The thing to remember is that even if the kid you know is sociopathic it doesn't mean he will grow up to be a murderer. I think there are many sociopaths who never murder anyone. They know it's wrong even if they have trouble putting themselves in the other person's place. That's why those who do murder try to cover it up. MOO.

Bingo. Not all sociopaths will kill. I have several sociopath traits and experiences, but I value my freedom way too much to do anything crazy (like harm or murder someone). CW has something within him that allowed him to MAJORLY cross that line. I don’t believe he ... just had a moment of rage.

 

[Starkville]

Interesting but can I just ask if this is heavily researched as to how SP was raised? Because it does bug me that the mother is ALWAYS blamed. Did SP have a dad involved with his upbringing? And this "bad mothering," the smothering and oppressive mother, they KNOW this is how he was raised? I am not sure I buy this as the explanation for these sociopaths. Seems reductive and mommy-blaming IMO

Ugh, I’m with you there. Absolutely 100% mothers AND fathers can do terrible damage to a psyche. But it’s very difficult to determine whether it’s the case. And there’s individual responsibility.

It’s very murky territory. Chris didn’t kill them because his mommy spanked him (or didn’t) — or whatever. She’s no more responsible for the deaths than Shanann is, for pity’s sake.

 

[Gardener1850]

If they go for the death penalty, he will have a mitigation specialist which will research his entire life. And will drag his entire family, including his mother his father and his sibling through the mud. Just like they did with Jody and just like they do with Casey. It will happen. In my opinion.

IDK, that might depend on if his parents are going to testify for him. I don't think he can get away with claiming his childhood was the reason for his crimes or that his parents had anything to do with it. His parents were not living in CO and could not have had anything to do with the crimes against SW, Bella and CeCe. What could he say to smear his parents? That he called his parents and his parents encouraged him to hide the bodies? No, I don't think that would fly. JMO. I think he is more likely to try to use his family members to paint SW in a bad light. We will hear about the disagreement over nuts in the house during the NC visit. We will hear about any little thing SW did that rubbed her in-laws the wrong way. JMO.

 

[PommyMommy]

How did you ascertain whether or not it was uncontrollable?

Simple. He laughed one moment and recomposed himself the next.
MOO

 

[Melsworld]

Right? BW did it in anger phoned 911 immediately following to confess. She pleaded guilty in January 2018.

Other things that differ: JW did not kill her the same way she killed the kids. JW did not hide all the bodies. Nor did he tell friends she took the kids on a play date, without her phone, car, purse.

I’m looking for cases where someone hides the killer of their children as well as the children. In oil tanks. Because. Protect the killers image. And stuff.

Still looking...

Pardon me...I haven't had time to fully catch up since these threads move quickly but I can't for the life of me think of who JW & BW are. I realize it's a different case but still can't figure it out. Thanks.

 

[Lady Justice21]

Very, very well said. Every point well refuted. IIRC Gitana said if there was exculpatory evidence in the autopsy report the defense would move for bail. We hear only silence.

IMO they can't technically ask for bail unless the prosecution reduces all the charges. Murder 1 in Colorado is a no bond charge. IMO even if defense counsel thinks there's something helpful to them in the autopsies, unless the prosecution views it the same way and reduces charges, it doesn't matter how the defense sees it until trial.

IMO one of the things I noted in the discussion a few threads back about the defense response to the autopsies being released is they mention they'll come out in court prior to trial in a proof evident hearing. I took from that they'd be asking for one at some point. (My opinion only). In a proof evident hearing the prosecution would have to show there's enough to go forward on the murder 1 charges and thus no bond is appropriate (I'm totally paraphrasing my own opinion and understanding here). It's a very low bar, and I've not seen a court (doesn't mean it's never happened) decide no bond or that burden hadn't been met. In short unless all charges are dropped/reduced, no bond is getting set.

All MOO

 

[Thepoet]

NUA has said that SW was tired and not feeling well on the trip home (from Arizona). SW arrived home at 2:15 A.M., a time when most of us would be tired. SW was over three hours late getting home and anyone who has traveled knows that rescheduled flights and long waits can be frustrating and exhausting. SW was pregnant. So, is it believableble that, at that time and under those circumstances she would engage in an "emotional conversation"? Would she be thinking about anything except seeing her beloved, sleeping daughters and then going to bed? I would appreciate seeing some evidence and/or testimony that supports CW's version so that I can analyze it. To date I have seen no such evidence or testimony. None.

 

[margarita25]

The interviews were definitely a bad idea......

I’m thinking he had no choice, that maybe the media heard the call on the scanner and just showed up? What else was he going to do, slam the door on them and say I have no comment?

 

[Mrspratcher]

I am still disturbed by CW repeating "It's vanished" when referring to his family in two media interviews. My thoughts are likely it was the disassociation from them - like he says "nothing was here" - objects. Or, it could be because he had rehearsed that line previously when he thought he would maybe dump her car...and it popped into his head. Whatever it was, I think he definitely did not get to finish his planned cover up and that shows in the interviews. I believe he is frustrated that he has to deal with an imperfect scene in his mind (all doors were locked! Camera at neighbor! her stuff there!) which was different from the way he planned it to roll out.

Because they were his props - his tools. Remember he told LE he loaded the "tools" onto his truck the morning he disposed of the bodies.

 

[Sheenaisapunkrocker]

Interesting but can I just ask if this is heavily researched as to how SP was raised? Because it does bug me that the mother is ALWAYS blamed. Did SP have a dad involved with his upbringing? And this "bad mothering," the smothering and oppressive mother, they KNOW this is how he was raised? I am not sure I buy this as the explanation for these sociopaths. Seems reductive and mommy-blaming IMO

Just like SW is getting blamed by some for her murder.
IMO - CW and SP probably had quite different childhoods. But they both learned at an early age how to manipulate and put on a fake front to "survive" and cope.
SP was probably adored and worshiped and got away with a lot by lying and manipulating. He could certainly charm the ladies with his boyish good looks. SP was cocky and arrogant.
CW isn't a ladies man but he compensated by being the "nice guy" who would drop everything to help a friend. He craved attention and adoration for his good deeds, and sympathy for his sacrifices, his martyrdom.

 

[Amandaaa]

IMO they can't technically ask for bail unless the prosecution reduces all the charges. Murder 1 in Colorado is a no bond charge. IMO even if defense counsel thinks there's something helpful to them in the autopsies, unless the prosecution views it the same way and reduces charges, it doesn't matter how the defense sees it until trial.

IMO one of the things I noted in the discussion a few threads back about the defense response to the autopsies being released is they mention they'll come out in court prior to trial in a proof evident hearing. I took from that they'd be asking for one at some point. (My opinion only). In a proof evident hearing the prosecution would have to show there's enough to go forward on the murder 1 charges and thus no bond is appropriate (I'm totally paraphrasing my own opinion and understanding here). It's a very low bar, and I've not seen a court (doesn't mean it's never happened) decide no bond or that burden hadn't been met. In short unless all charges are dropped/reduced, no bond is getting set.

All MOO

I believe that is correct - in Colorado, Felony 1 charges are “no bond”

 

[Amonet]

A smiling mouth doesn't necessarily always indicate happiness or positive feelings. Many people smile or chuckle at inappropriate times.

There is an episode of "Modern Family" where the character Claire has to tell her son his friend died and she can't not smile. Yes, that's TV, but it's a phenomenon or trait common enough to have it addressed on a very popular show, because some people can relate to it.

That phenomenon was discussed a bit in one of the earlier threads. Several of us admitted suffering from it, either on one occasion or more than one occasion. It seemed that the commonalities here were at times like getting bad news or attending sad occasions like funerals. I think we also shared a perception of feeling great confusion and knowledge that it's not the right reaction and that to an observer the laughing might appear somewhat maniacal, uncontrolled despite wishing to control it and stop it.

I could imagine that in the Neil Entwistle video that was put in the last thread, where he has his hand over his mouth but you can see that he's laughing and not crying, and it's where a photo of his now deceased wife and baby girl are shown to the court. It's an inappropriate time for laughter, he seems to have awareness that it is inappropriate and uses his hand to try to cover.

In CW's videos my take is that there might have been one instance of duper's delight. The other instances of smiling and laughter seem to be appropriate for what he's trying to act -- the family are missing, but hopefully Shanann's taken the girls somewhere after their emotional conversation and everything's going to be fine, maybe they'll come back and maybe they won't...it would be sad if they didn't come back or if they weren't safe, but I (CW) have no reason to think this is going to end that badly. For what he's trying to portray, I don't see the smiling and laughing as inappropriate (other than that instance of duper's delight).

I don't see any sign that's actually a grieving man whose brain has misfired crying into laughter, as at the points where he laughs and smiles, in his act, crying would have been inappropriate.

 

[Deleted member 182072]

Simple. He laughed one moment and recomposed himself the next.
MOO

So incredibly disturbing. It makes me wonder how much more gleeful he would have been if NUA hadn't thwarted him and he had been able to abandon SW's car and complete his evil plan.

 

[Thepoet]

IMO they can't technically ask for bail unless the prosecution reduces all the charges. Murder 1 in Colorado is a no bond charge. IMO even if defense counsel thinks there's something helpful to them in the autopsies, unless the prosecution views it the same way and reduces charges, it doesn't matter how the defense sees it until trial.

IMO one of the things I noted in the discussion a few threads back about the defense response to the autopsies being released is they mention they'll come out in court prior to trial in a proof evident hearing. I took from that they'd be asking for one at some point. (My opinion only). In a proof evident hearing the prosecution would have to show there's enough to go forward on the murder 1 charges and thus no bond is appropriate (I'm totally paraphrasing my own opinion and understanding here). It's a very low bar, and I've not seen a court (doesn't mean it's never happened) decide no bond or that burden hadn't been met. In short unless all charges are dropped/reduced, no bond is getting set.

All MOO

Good points. Thanks. I'm not an attorney and I live in Texas, probably different here. I was going by something I believe Gitata stated. I guess we'll have to just wait and see.

 

[Golden Girl]

BBM. Yes, the Metallica concert was his birthday present from SW from last year.

Here's the video of CW opening his birthday present (SW says in the beginning "Watch Daddy open his birthday present, he's getting a month of Thrive"): Shanann Watts

Yes! I watched this video once before and waited for him to say, "Thank you, Honey! I love you!" but all I heard was "Oh, my goodness. I'll have to take the day off and maybe the day after, too."

It was said with no emotion - just a monotone. I have been following this case ever since my local news had an Amber alert for this missing woman and her girls.

 

[Steelhead]

It is scary. The thing to remember is that even if the kid you know is sociopathic it doesn't mean he will grow up to be a murderer. I think there are many sociopaths who never murder anyone. They know it's wrong even if they have trouble putting themselves in the other person's place. That's why those who do murder try to cover it up. MOO.

IMO, most sociopaths aren't murderers.

 

[MassGuy]

IMO, most sociopaths aren't murderers.

That’s not an opinion. It’s a fact.

 

[PommyMommy]

Yes! I watched this video once before and waited for him to say, "Thank you, Honey! I love you!" but all I heard was "Oh, my goodness. I'll have to take the day off and maybe the day after, too."

It was said with no emotion - just a flat affect. I have been following this case ever since my local news had an Amber alert for this missing woman and her girls.

Welcome to Websleuths, Golden Girl!
Glad to have you with us, and very good points!​