Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #42

[MyBelle]

You worked in a CO DA's office? Interesting...

In any event, the wording of the statute and the constitution indeed do not indicate "no bail" is automatic. As you state, unless they demonstrate the standard. Which is presicely what the law states.

If the state can show great presumption and evident proof, then no bail is a given.

And of course it's unlikely that the state would charge a defendant with capital crimes without that.

However...if after such charges, significant exculpatory evidence emerges, of course the defense has the right to a bail hearing. Because at that point great presumption and evident proof would no longer exist.

This is constitutional stuff we are talking about.

I feel very confident in taking the bet that the autopsy showed nothing that changed the focus from CW as the culprit.

If there had been the defense would be shouting that from the rooftops.

If I was the defendant, I'd want my defense to shout nothing from the rooftops prior to trial because it would give the prosecution a big hint as to my defense strategy. Instead, I'd want them doing exactly what they have been doing.
JMO

 

[Golden Girl]

How about "I can't believe it came to this?" (or the similar words he used in one of his porch interviews). ?

What about, "This has got to stop!" as he said in one or his porch interviews?

 

[Mellowmelly]

I didn't get that loving, happy family feeling from most of the videos. To be honest, it's made me wonder what went on in that house when camera's weren't rolling and behind closed doors so to speak. I'm not saying the video's are so alarming that CPS should have been notified. I don't see anything like that, but I think they portrayed SW in the best light possible and I don't get that warm fuzzy feeling from them.
jmo

Maybe you were picking up on her inner feelings of doubt over her husbands infidelity ? Maybe inwardly she was feeling alone ? But she still tried and still put on a brave face, IMO.

 

[MassGuy]

If I was the defendant, I'd want my defense to shout nothing from the rooftops prior to trial because it would give the prosecution a big hint as to my defense strategy. Instead, I'd want them doing exactly what they have been doing.
JMO

Yup. And all I can say is, “Good luck to you.”

 

[Medstudies]

To my knowledge there isn't another case exactly like this. There's always the first.

you’re right, always a first. -

Your post really triggered me: I know Jason and BW was extremely abusive of him. He had filed.

RIP Tyler and Charlee

I believe what you're referring to is called Pseudobulbar affect. IMO, it's not likely since that is characterized by episodes of sudden uncontrollable and inappropriate laughing or crying. That's not what we saw in the interviews. He laughed, he smiled, but it was not uncontrollable.

I don't know; I'm not an expert and could certainly be wrong. But, I do know how to call an expert! @Jmartinez0303 or @stereopticons or @MindHunter13 can you please help? We're in over our heads again, lol...

MOO

I have personal experience with PBA (both in a medical setting and personally) Pseudobulbar affect (PBA) typically occurs in people with neurological conditions or injuries, including Stroke•Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS)•Multiple sclerosis (MS)•Traumatic brain injury •Alzheimer's disease•Parkinson’s disease

(My BIL passed from ALS, he declined life prolonging care secondary to the onset of PBA)

There is nothing in CW’s interviews that remotely resemble PBA.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

Good point. Once she hit the "go live" button and started broadcasting, the flood gates would have already opened in regards to fb friends joining the live stream to watch. Weighing the options, maybe she thought it'd be better to keep streaming it (despite it not going as planned), vs. ending the live stream and risk losing her audience. Doesn't make it right, but there are certainly worse things that could be broadcasted, IMO. Jmo

Yes and her willingness to post these less than perfect family moment videos contradict the constant birage of comments that she wanted to only project the perfect life image.

 

[LittleFleurDeLys]

Good point. Once she hit the "go live" button and started broadcasting, the flood gates would have already opened in regards to fb friends joining the live stream to watch. Weighing the options, maybe she thought it'd be better to keep streaming it (despite it not going as planned), vs. ending the live stream and risk losing her audience. Doesn't make it right, but there are certainly worse things that could be broadcasted, IMO. Jmo

Yes certainly. And as I stated many times I do not give too much into those videos. It was just my thought that that moment should have been kept private. But Shannan can not stand for herself to talk to us and she will never have the chance to make a difference since she does not have the privilege of more days. Maybe it was like you said - I'm not really familiar with this entire streaming/facebook thing so I do not know how this exactly works/worked and how easy it would be to accidentally stream something.

 

[MassGuy]

I didn't get that loving, happy family feeling from most of the videos. To be honest, it's made me wonder what went on in that house when camera's weren't rolling and behind closed doors so to speak. I'm not saying the video's are so alarming that CPS should have been notified. I don't see anything like that, but I think they portrayed SW in the best light possible and I don't get that warm fuzzy feeling from them.
jmo

The intent of the videos was to promote Thrive. Without taking into account the context, your perception will be skewed.

If a person were to watch those videos without knowing their likely purpose, they will view things very differently than someone who is aware of these things.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Maybe you were picking up on her inner feelings of doubt over her husbands infidelity ? Maybe inwardly she was feeling alone ? But she still tried and still put on a brave face, IMO.

Maybe? Unless we walked a mile in their shoes we can't really say.

 

[PommyMommy]

you’re right, always a first. -

Your post really triggered me: I know Jason and BW was extremely abusive of him. He had filed.

RIP Tyler and Charlee

I have personal experience with PBA (both in a medical setting and personally) Pseudobulbar affect (PBA) typically occurs in people with neurological conditions or injuries, including Stroke•Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS)•Multiple sclerosis (MS)•Traumatic brain injury •Alzheimer's disease•Parkinson’s disease

(My BIL passed from ALS, he declined life prolonging care secondary to the onset of PBA)

There is nothing in CW’s interviews that remotely resemble PBA.

Agreed. Thank you for sharing your experience.
MOO

 

[Best of What's Around]

Since the quote you were responding to was directed at me I would like to point out that my opinions and thoughts are not based on CW's age, appearance, skin color or his economic status.

Never said you did. Just referencing statistics.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

The intent of the videos was to promote Thrive. Without taking into account the context, your perception will be skewed.

If a person were to watch those videos without knowing their likely purpose, they will view things very differently than someone who is aware of these things.

Some of them might not have been to promote thrive. Either way, I didn't get that warm fuzzy feeling. JMO

 

[MassGuy]

Some of them might not have been to promote thrive. Either way, I didn't get that warm fuzzy feeling. JMO

I don’t get a warm and fuzzy feeling from most tv ads, even ones that show families in a perfect light. That’s not the goal though.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

"It's vanished" also disturbed me. If you're interested, ages ago I transcribed what I found to be CW's extremely bizarre use of pronouns in his three videos (link below). I thought it showed that he had distanced himself from his family as people.
Found Deceased - CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #19

Then @BelleIsle made a great point about him perhaps rehearsing his lines in advance, which kind of echoes what you're saying about not being able to finish his planned cover-up.
Found Deceased - CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #19

Could be elements of both, I suppose.

Right, it is as if he’s almost elated to say those words out loud, “it’s vanished”. To him, his insufferable experience of being a husband and father is finally over...that’s why there were no tears, no emotion, just unaffected and happy.

 

[MyBelle]

It is her valuation of him. She thinks he is inferior so she has to praise him all of the time to meet her standards.

Being thought to be inferior is not OK, is it?

I don't believe SW ever thought CW was inferior. I think she praises him because she was dependent upon him during times she didn't feel well and she wanted him to know how much she appreciated him and needed him.
JMO

 

[Best of What's Around]

So the opinions about the videos are only meaningful if they are being used and viewed in a certain way. Gotcha.

IMO based on reason and professional opinion. In this case, all our experts here say no signs of abuse on the videos. Period. In fact, I believe it has been banned per page 1 rules on this thread but please correct me if I am wrong.

 

[scdiv]

Thanks for bringing this forward, as I haven’t read anything that this VI has said.

This jibes with what I think was going on in regards to SW’s focus on her Thrive business.

He was no longer the center of attention that he once was, atleast not in the same context. This, coupled with his physical improvements, may have played a role in his decision to have affairs.

Things were changing, and he wasn’t receptive to these changes.

Of course there’s no way of knowing what specific things factored in to the killings. But I wouldn’t be surprised if this new dynamic played some part.

I think the MLM component as SW threw herself into her business could have factored into the dynamic. It wasn't just her getting really busy at the office or throwing herself into a job that was separate from her personal life. Instead it was the opposite, ramping up efforts to show so many aspects of her daily life, marriage, kids, the whole "lifestyle" aspect. The constant filming, phone always out, camera on, and talking about home life, personal struggles, etc etc etc. It's all part of the MLM script to "succeed,"

But I wonder if he started getting annoyed by the whole thing. If it alienated good friends they had who aren't part of the Thrive tribe. (Like the poster here (BabyButterfly) who unfriended CW on FB because of his social media becoming one big Thrive advertisement.) Obviously he was doing some of the same kinds of posting. I just wonder as CW was an introvert and somewhat socially quiet and awkward, if he was doing it in the beginning to appease her/make money, and then sick of always having to be "on." I would personally hate it if someone kept turning a live camera on me, even if I smiled politely and was able to act enthused for awhile to support their efforts. SW seemed to be in her element which is probably how she could do this successfully for a long time where most people give up.

All of that said, I don't think annoyance at a partner's chosen direct sales/marketing job leads in any way to murder. I just wonder if some of CW's resentment was more about getting sick of the whole posturing/"sharing" of their personal lives than about SW getting busy with her career and feeling successful, etc. But I could just be projecting my own thoughts on that here. (Considering I post or share just about nothing about my life on social media, let alone personal things.)

What's crazy to me is how much CW's overall look and demeanor seemed to change - not just losing weight/jacking up. Even just his mannerisms, demeanor, facial looks seemed to change so much in the past few months from recent years. He did look like he had a more natural, at ease smile and relaxed demeanor in the past. He started looking more steely, cocky, set jaw, etc in past months, like in the oops we're pregnant video.

Lol, apparently talk-to-text that does the word mitigation incorrectly again and again and I will have to teach my device to learn the word. Instead of inserting something else.

. Mitigation is what I meant. it keeps saying medication or mediation and I have to keep checking it and correcting it LOL.

Yes, the original post had to do with the death penalty, and how it requires a mitigation specialist to go through his entire life.

Eta.. corrected to mitigation again LOL

Mitigation....mediation... inclination....indication... perhaps CW was using talk to text as well.

 

[flourish]

If it hadn't been their dad inside the outfit, that whole thing might have been handled differently?

And they only seemed to be on their dad's lap for a few seconds before being 'rescued'.

I doubt it, as there are photos of them with a mall type Santa and they were crying, red, and reaching towards someone off camera. And in the Santa video they began crying and screaming, "no Santa!" before Santa had entered the home, but SW has said, "Santa."

 

[flourish]

Some of them might not have been to promote thrive. Either way, I didn't get that warm fuzzy feeling. JMO

I wouldn't enjoy being a living "advertisement."

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I don’t get a warm and fuzzy feeling from most tv ads, even ones that show families in a perfect light. That’s not the goal though.

IMO there's no comparison between the two.