Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #42

[PommyMommy]

I’m dedicating this beautiful song to Shanann’s parents and brother, Frankie

Where are you this moment? Only in my dreams.

Beautiful! Thank you.
MOO

 

[Deleted member 182072]

Interesting theory. I always thought if he had been smart he would have made a run for Mexico the moment NUA informed him she was calling the police. But then I realized he never would have made it to the border. His truck was tracked in real time by his office GPS. Police would have found him before he made it very far. Unless he had planned ahead to run, he had no chance. And if he is a pyschopath who gets calmer in high-risk situations it makes sense he didn't think he needed to run. He was egotistical enough to think he could fool them. JMO.

True and he was too arrogant and stupid to realize that he was going to be caught even if everything had gone according to his evil plan.

Even a moron would have known the jig was up once NUA called LE and they found the car and everything else still inside the house. It makes me think that he hadn't come up with his plan B "she did it" defense at that time.

Obviously if he hadn't killed his daughters, he would have broken down and fessed up at that point instead of continuing to lie about everything. MOO

 

[Nikynoo]

I am not sure that she expected any of 'her people' to stop their Christmas celebrations to watch the tape she posted.

That particular tape was live streamed initially for the grandparents so they could see the girls at Christmas. It obviously didn't go as planned, but I don't see why it would be so difficult to watch. Toddlers have tantrums, especially during the holidays. I don't think it is that big of a deal. JMO

IMO, it might have been wise to just stop recording and concentrate on the girls. She could always have called her parents back.....

 

[katydid23]

I would like to know why the DA is requesting them to be sealed as well. I mean the DA knows it's almost unheard of for them to be sealed for the reasons they are requesting. Unless there's something pointing in a different direction why file the motion?
jmo

But if there is 'something pointing in a different direction' how would sealing them from the public help anything? Because they are still being given to the defense team and the judge. And those are really the people that matter at this point. JMO

 

[katydid23]

IMO, it might have been wise to just stop recording and concentrate on the girls. She could always have called her parents back.....

I think she was concentrating on the girls. The entire thing was all about the girls. JMO

 

[Tippy Lynn]

But if there is 'something pointing in a different direction' how would sealing them from the public help anything? Because they are still being given to the defense team and the judge. And those are really the people that matter at this point. JMO

I know - it's unusual.

 

[Best of What's Around]

BBM I see a lot of "somethings."

CW's story about seeing Bella blue on the monitor is not believable to me. He is lying.

It is extremely unlikely that two people snapped and committed murder using the same method at the same time.

In so many words, NUA told us that in the few weeks leading up to the murders, Chris was detached. Not just from Shanann, but also from the girls. NUA said, “He wasn’t being the loving Chris that he normally was. He wasn’t touching or hugging or doing stuff like that. And he wasn’t being as attentive to the girls as he normally is.”

What may be the most telling is that a parent who witnessed his child (CeCe) being murdered did nothing to save her. No 911 call, no attempt to revive either child, no use of the home security system, no reports from neighbors of yelling or screaming...but an hour or so later, he loaded up their bodies and dumped them like trash. He went from an all-out "rage" to immediately concealing evidence. No. Just no. These are not the actions of an innocent man.

His interviews. No grief. No anguish. No despair.

It doesn't add up.
MOO

YES, and I would say not calling 911, the immediate launching into a detailed plan to hide the bodies, destroy evidence, call/text dead wife, ridiculous idea that BOTH parents cared not enough about their kids one night, and just viewing the interviews - will be plenty for the jury to convict. When nothing comes in to seriously suggest SW would be capable of what we already know CW is capable of, it is game over for him, IMO.

 

[Nikynoo]

I think she was concentrating on the girls. The entire thing was all about the girls. JMO

I disagree. The 'idea' was about the girls, but in practice it just wasn't, it was about either filming for prosterity or recording to please the grandparents.

<modsnip - not victim-friendly>

 

[Nikynoo]

how would sealing them from the public help anything?

SBM - to avoid alerting someone else?

 

[gitana1]

I am assuming LE was keeping close tabs on CW, and have wondered why they didn't want CW to help with the search?Don't some return to the scene of the crime? He (potentially) could have led them there. I wonder if he would have gone back to gather anything left behind if he left in a hurry when receiving NUA's call about LE coming to the house for a well-check? Or, maybe, as you indicate, JudgeJudi, to dispose of additional evidence.

I have always believed that there was some suspicion of CW's involvement of their "disappearance" from the very beginning, and this is why a second officer was called to the home when NUA asked for a well-check.

We have additional evidence that LE believed he may have been involved, and this evidence ultimately led to his arrest and the charges against him.
- questioning of NUA at well-check where she indicated SW was not feeling well, missed her doctors appointment, and was told by CW that the two were separating.
- found SW's cellphone between couch cushions, and asked to take the phone (is this how LE discovered information about a possible AP through text messages)?
- CW's answers to LE's questioning raised suspicion, and as a result they continued to investigate his possible involvement.
- two day investigation and questioning of AP.
- bizarre interviews given to reporters by CW.
- report from the Thayer's about CW's odd behavior.
- search warrant for the home where sheets/pillowcases were found in kitchen garbage.
- additional evidence removed from the home.
- possible tracking of CW's movements through his GPS the morning of their disappearance.
- drone search of the CERVI location.
- discovery of matching sheet found at site.
- discovery of clandestine grave at site.
- confession by CW.

What we don't have (yet) is the evidence against CW that he is responsible for the deaths of BW and CCW. But we do know there is something based on his charges.

Yeah we do. We certainly have evidence that he was responsible for the deaths of the girls.

He didn't call 911.
He took their bodies from the home and disposed of them in order to conceal what happened to them.
He lied about their whereabouts and pretended to assist LE in locating them.
He appeared dry-eyed, not grieving and even smiled and giggled during the interviews the day after they were killed.
His eventual story about their deaths is ludicrous, defies all logic and is anathema to everything we know about parental love and instinct.

That is all evidence that can be used against him in a court of law. The first three are called consciousness of guilt evidence.

And all of it is evidence that can be looked at to determine whether doubt as to his responsibility is "reasonable" or not.

 

[katydid23]

That may be the case, but he sure thought of a good hiding place, so must have some smarts there

That was a good hiding place? It was a horrid idea, imo. If he had wrapped them in baby blankets and buried them with their mom in a scenic place, he would be having much less vitriol and blowback right now.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I disagree. The 'idea' was about the girls, but in practice it just wasn't, it was about either filiming for prosterity or recording to please the grandparents.

<modsnip - not victim-friendly>

I agree. Not to mention, the whole meaning of Christmas was completely missed......
jmo

 

[katydid23]

SBM - to avoid alerting someone else?

Sorry, but I don't understand. who else would be alerted that mattered in the end?

 

[katydid23]

I agree. Not to mention, the whole meaning of Christmas was completely missed......
jmo

You can tell that by several minutes of live streamed video? The entire meaning of Christmas was completely missed? That seems like a pretty big statement from such a small clip of time. JMO

 

[Nikynoo]

That was a good hiding place? It was a horrid idea, imo. If he had wrapped them in baby blankets and buried them with their mom in a scenic place, he would be having much less vitriol and blowback right now.

<modsnip - personalized>I meant it was good as in not obvious

 

[Nikynoo]

Sorry, but I don't understand. who else would be alerted that mattered in the end?

I'll see if I can find my earlier post. That should explain my thinking more clearly.

 

[Nikynoo]

Good morning all!

I have been thinking about the motion for the sealing of autopsy reports in this case.

Potential release of Christopher Watts case autopsies is focus of conflicting arguments

“Zansberg also said he doesn't know of any case where autopsy reports have been withheld due to the chance of substantial injury to the public interest after charges have been filed.”


https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/[L] MOTION TO DENY DISCLOSURE OF PUBLIC RECORD PURSUANT TO CRS 24-72-204(6)(A).pdf


“The disclosure of this information to the public prior to trial could result in tainting witnesses that have not yet been interviewed and impacting future jurors.”


@Amandaaa and anyone else who wishes to chime in: -

Do you think its is possible, taking together;

1. the motion filed by the prosecution to seal the autopsy reports; and

2. the fact that there are no known cases where autopsy reports have been withheld after charges have been filed,

that there may be another person of interest to LE? - and this is why the DA wants the autopsies sealed?

@katydid23

 

[gitana1]

I disagree. The 'idea' was about the girls, but in practice it just wasn't, it was about either filming for prosterity or recording to please the grandparents.

<modsnip - not victim-friendly>

But how is that relevant to anything? How is that video or how people would've done things differently, or not, evidence or relevant to one thing in this case?

 

[WildWest]

I personally thought he (1) thought it was what a Dad with a missing family would say/do, and (2) wanted to get away from the house, where he has to watch his every facial expression and statement. That is a lot of work IMO to maintain.

Exhausting.

 

[Nikynoo]

But how is that relevant to anything? How is that video or how people would've done things differently, or not, evidence or relevant to one thing in this case?

The relevance is my response to another post.