Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #43

[molly1255]

The "SW killing her babies" isn't just speculation by posters here. According to the arrest affidavit, it is what CW told LE. JMO

He told LE a lot of other things, too, and they were all lies.

 

[tmar]

"What all did CW lie about to police?"

He lied initially by saying his family was safe and sound, sleeping when he left that morning. No mention that he had wrapped them up in garbage bags and disposed of them earlier that day.

He lied by saying they were on a play date that morning, but he didn't remember the friend's name.

He lied by saying he called and messaged his wife but didn't understand why she didn't reply.

He lied when he told LE he wanted to go searching but he wasn't sure where to look.

ETC ETC ETC

I hope there will be a list of CW's lies, that have been proven with evidence.
Then we would look at other statements, he has used, before being confronted, and after.
We will find, this second lot of statements, are not in agreement to what he uttered about the particular point, prior to confrontation.
What does this say, about this murderer?
Is his account, now credible?

To the above, we add 'method of disposal'.
What conclusion can possibly be made?
Here, we don't have phone records, CCTV, NUA's further statements etc.
GUILTY on all counts.
MOO.

 

[katydid23]

They can charge him with whatever they want. What matters more is what the Judge thinks can be proved. JMO

NO, they cannot charge him with 'whatever they want.' They need credible evidence to back up their charges against him.

 

[Best of What's Around]

CW didn't have to admit to anything. We don't know if SW was strangled or not because the autopsy has not been released. What all did CW lie about to police? He denied an affair initially but admitted it when LE confirmed it.

CW told police he saw Bella was blue on the baby monitor and that SW was strangling CeCe. iirc, that would be prior to him leaving the house that morning.

I think it very possible CW killed SW in the heat of passion. If he had called 911, I have no doubt he would still be right where he is.
JMO

If he saw SW actively strangling his child on the monitor, and it takes all of mere seconds to run from the bedroom to his child's room, do you find it disturbing that his first response would not be to call 911 to try and save at least that child? Wouldn't a loving father do anything to save his child? Surely, it was not too late by his own story...

 

[Colorado303]

The "SW killing her babies" isn't just speculation by posters here. According to the arrest affidavit, it is what CW told LE. JMO

Then that would make it posters speculating that a proven repeat liar (who’s very life depends on people believing his wife killed their girls) is in this one instance telling the truth. Odds of winning the lottery are better IMO.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

CW didn't have to admit to anything. We don't know if SW was strangled or not because the autopsy has not been released. What all did CW lie about to police? He denied an affair initially but admitted it when LE confirmed it.

CW told police he saw Bella was blue on the baby monitor and that SW was strangling CeCe. iirc, that would be prior to him leaving the house that morning.

I think it very possible CW killed SW in the heat of passion. If he had called 911, I have no doubt he would still be right where he is.
JMO

CW said he strangled SW, is it a lie, now that would be a turn up for the books if he lied about how he killed SW! I'm confused with where you're coming from but you're right about CW didn't have to admit to anything. I suspect CW wanted to get his story in so his family wouldn't think the worst. CW's talk with his dad leads me to think he had to soften the blow, he wasn't the monster, SW was!
How could CW continue to lie about an affair, LE had proof. Why did he lie to begin with?

I don't believe CW is a compulsive liar but he's had good practise at it. I'm sure SW's questioning left her satisfied he was telling the truth about anything and everything. SW was wrong about CW having 'no game', he MUST be the great pretender! Every day was a lie, for how long, will be revealed once this goes to trial. JMO

 

[Colorado303]

No. She didn’t strangle herself.

He did not see his kids on the monitor that morning before he left that house. We know this.

Those kids were crammed into the back seat with their mother, just before he crammed their little bodies into tanks filled with oil.

I’d have an easier time believing she strangled herself than she strangled the girls. MHOO

 

[idfinch]

Shanann's actions sound pretty close to what I would normally do coming home. Especially after a trip, late at night.

I always kick off my shoes right inside the door. Then grab my keys & throw them on the hook, take out my phone & leave my purse on the hall table. The fact that her suitcase was just inside the door makes me think all was normal until she got upstairs, because she probably assumed that Chris would bring it up later for her. An exhausted pregnant woman isn't going to carry it up herself, she (THOUGHT SHE) had a husband for that.

 

[Colorado303]

They had to include it. They obviously considered it "worthless" as per the charges he was arrested on, the prosecutor's charges filed, and the fact he's sitting in a cell without bond. jmo

I think there’s a good chance LE included it believing reasonably minded people would clearly see it as further evidence what a downright dirty, lying, cowardly (and not too bright) baby-killing monster he is.

 

[katydid23]

We'll agree to disagree. Believing CW told the truth in confessing to the murder of his wife doesn't require anyone bend into a pretzel nor does the belief CW told the truth when he claimed SW murdered the children require "bending into a pretzel." JMO

WEll, you do have to kind of bend into a pretzel, to believe his story.

How can we believe that he actually saw his little children being choked to death, before his eyes---but just a couple of hours later he was able to go to work, acting like nothing had happened?

How could he see his 2nd girl in the process of being 'actively' strangled, but not call for any medical help to try and save her? I have to bend in 2 to try and accept that one.

How can we believe that he was so grief stricken over his wife murdering his precious babies, but hours later he is jamming them down an oil tank? More extreme contortions needed here...

And is it believable that he had such a devastating, emotional trauma, of witnessing the slaughter of his children, then he has to strangle his wife, thus killing his only remaining child, then 'has to' bury them and dump them in oil, and yet the next morning he is able to look well rested, well groomed, calm and casually upbeat in three tv interviews? More bending needed here to accept that behavior by him, IMO.

 

[idfinch]

NO, they cannot charge him with 'whatever they want.' They need credible evidence to back up their charges against him.

Thank you for this. The original statement almost came across disrespectful to LE and the state, as if they can just throw around whatever they want to try to nail something to the wall, or felt like accusing him for the hell of it in the face of his supposedly truthful confession.

His accusation in the affidavit isn't evidence as originally stated pages back. It isn't factual. There is no proof. They included it because he said it. They can't just choose to put in what they feel like putting in his confession and statement and leave out what they think is improbable (IMO his entire story is improbable). That's his claim, not theirs. It doesn't make any of it true. What did he lie to LE about?! I'm waiting for someone to post a bulleted list because it's a lot.

 

[mtnlites]

They can charge him with whatever they want. JMO

No, they really can't.

 

[PommyMommy]

We'll agree to disagree. LE obviously didn't think CW's statement was "worthless" because they included it in the affidavit. There is no evidence whatsoever that CW is HIV positive or even may be positive. I consider it salacious rumor planted by entertainment media. JMO

BBM
I have never seen this reported by entertainment media or any other media. I would like to read it if it exists. Do you have a link? MOO

 

[LittleFleurDeLys]

And is it believable that he had such a devastating, emotional trauma, of witnessing the slaughter of his children, then he has to strangle his wife, thus killing his only remaining child, then 'has to' bury them and dump them in oil, and yet the next morning he is able to look well rested, well groomed, calm and casually upbeat in three tv interviews? More bending needed here to accept that behavior by

I would go even that far to claim that in this case (if his story was true - I still can not believe how this could be credible to anyone) he would have rather checked out (suicide) than talking to anybody or giving interviews or shaving his beard. I mean.. really?? Imagine the pain he must have been through. His entire family was wiped out in just one night by both of the parents. What was this life than worth living for when nothing he loved was left??

 

[PommyMommy]

Thank you for this. The original statement almost came across disrespectful to LE and the state, as if they can just throw around whatever they want to try to nail something to the wall, or felt like accusing him for the hell of it in the face of his supposedly truthful confession.

His accusation in the affidavit isn't evidence as originally stated pages back. It isn't factual. There is no proof. They included it because he said it. They can't just choose to put in what they feel like putting in his confession and statement and leave out what they think is improbable (IMO his entire story is improbable). That's his claim, not theirs. It doesn't make any of it true. What did he lie to LE about?! I'm waiting for someone to post a bulleted list because it's a lot.

This is a list I made from one of his TV interviews, and I was being generous here. I didn't scrutinize every statement...

CW’S LIES
1. Like, I have no inclination where they're at right now.
2. Like, I have exhausted every friend that I know of.
3. And, it's just like it's vanished.
4. Like when I got home yesterday, it was like a ghost town, like she wasn't here, the kids weren't here. I have no idea like where they went.
5. I had texted her a few times, called her, I didn't get a response.
6. Something’s not right. She's not answering the door, her car's still here.
7. She was here at the front door and that's when I knew. This isn't like her.
8. I was trying to get home as fast as I can because none of this made sense.
9. Like, if she wasn't here, where did she go?
10. If she went to a friend’s house, where could she be staying?
11. I'm just hoping right now that she's somewhere safe, and maybe she's just there but right now it's just like if she's vanished, I want her back so bad. I want those kids back so bad.
12. I just want them people to know that I want my family back. Like, I want them safe. And I want them here.
13. Last night, I wanted that knock on the door. I wanted to see, I wanted to see those kids run in, run in and just barrel-rush me and just give me a hug and knock me on the ground.
14. Unless something happens in the next hours or so. I'm hoping somebody sees something or somebody knows something and comes forward.
15. (Asked what the hardest part is) Not knowing. If they're safe or if they're in trouble.
16. I can't do anything right now from where I'm at. Like, I'm not sure if they're safe somewhere, just huddled up somewhere or if they're in trouble.
17. And knowing that if they could be in trouble, it's earth-shattering right now.
18. (Talks about the cameras and doors and how she could have left) It's so hard to tell.
19. It's really hard to even suspect anything right now as far as how she could have left or if someone came and picked her up or if somebody took her.
20. I just want them home so bad.
21. I saw the kids on the monitor before I left, and that was it.
22. Canine units, they're getting scents, so hopefully they can pick up something and kinda go in a direction that will actually lead us to where maybe they're at right now.
23. (Basically ignores question about pregnancy) Mmm hmm, that's why I want everybody back.
24. I want everybody, I need everybody back here, and everybody safe.

 

[nwmouse]

Nick Van Der Leek's 2nd book is out on Amazon. Hmmmmm......

He's going to milk this for every penny. I imagine he has a few more "books" on the Watt's case on the horizon.

 

[nwmouse]

This is a list I made from one of his TV interviews, and I was being generous here. I didn't scrutinize every statement...

CW’S LIES
1. Like, I have no inclination where they're at right now.
2. Like, I have exhausted every friend that I know of.
3. And, it's just like it's vanished.
4. Like when I got home yesterday, it was like a ghost town, like she wasn't here, the kids weren't here. I have no idea like where they went.
5. I had texted her a few times, called her, I didn't get a response.
6. Something’s not right. She's not answering the door, her car's still here.
7. She was here at the front door and that's when I knew. This isn't like her.
8. I was trying to get home as fast as I can because none of this made sense.
9. Like, if she wasn't here, where did she go?
10. If she went to a friend’s house, where could she be staying?
11. I'm just hoping right now that she's somewhere safe, and maybe she's just there but right now it's just like if she's vanished, I want her back so bad. I want those kids back so bad.
12. I just want them people to know that I want my family back. Like, I want them safe. And I want them here.
13. Last night, I wanted that knock on the door. I wanted to see, I wanted to see those kids run in, run in and just barrel-rush me and just give me a hug and knock me on the ground.
14. Unless something happens in the next hours or so. I'm hoping somebody sees something or somebody knows something and comes forward.
15. (Asked what the hardest part is) Not knowing. If they're safe or if they're in trouble.
16. I can't do anything right now from where I'm at. Like, I'm not sure if they're safe somewhere, just huddled up somewhere or if they're in trouble.
17. And knowing that if they could be in trouble, it's earth-shattering right now.
18. (Talks about the cameras and doors and how she could have left) It's so hard to tell.
19. It's really hard to even suspect anything right now as far as how she could have left or if someone came and picked her up or if somebody took her.
20. I just want them home so bad.
21. I saw the kids on the monitor before I left, and that was it.
22. Canine units, they're getting scents, so hopefully they can pick up something and kinda go in a direction that will actually lead us to where maybe they're at right now.
23. (Basically ignores question about pregnancy) Mmm hmm, that's why I want everybody back.
24. I want everybody, I need everybody back here, and everybody safe.

Thanks PommyMommy, this is so helpful and I'm bumping it

 

[nwmouse]

CW didn't have to admit to anything. We don't know if SW was strangled or not because the autopsy has not been released. What all did CW lie about to police? He denied an affair initially but admitted it when LE confirmed it.

CW told police he saw Bella was blue on the baby monitor and that SW was strangling CeCe. iirc, that would be prior to him leaving the house that morning.

I think it very possible CW killed SW in the heat of passion. If he had called 911, I have no doubt he would still be right where he is.
JMO

PommyMommy has recently made an excellent list of all his lies and attempts to cover up.
MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

This is a list I made from one of his TV interviews, and I was being generous here. I didn't scrutinize every statement...

CW’S LIES
1. Like, I have no inclination where they're at right now.
2. Like, I have exhausted every friend that I know of.
3. And, it's just like it's vanished.
4. Like when I got home yesterday, it was like a ghost town, like she wasn't here, the kids weren't here. I have no idea like where they went.
5. I had texted her a few times, called her, I didn't get a response.
6. Something’s not right. She's not answering the door, her car's still here.
7. She was here at the front door and that's when I knew. This isn't like her.
8. I was trying to get home as fast as I can because none of this made sense.
9. Like, if she wasn't here, where did she go?
10. If she went to a friend’s house, where could she be staying?
11. I'm just hoping right now that she's somewhere safe, and maybe she's just there but right now it's just like if she's vanished, I want her back so bad. I want those kids back so bad.
12. I just want them people to know that I want my family back. Like, I want them safe. And I want them here.
13. Last night, I wanted that knock on the door. I wanted to see, I wanted to see those kids run in, run in and just barrel-rush me and just give me a hug and knock me on the ground.
14. Unless something happens in the next hours or so. I'm hoping somebody sees something or somebody knows something and comes forward.
15. (Asked what the hardest part is) Not knowing. If they're safe or if they're in trouble.
16. I can't do anything right now from where I'm at. Like, I'm not sure if they're safe somewhere, just huddled up somewhere or if they're in trouble.
17. And knowing that if they could be in trouble, it's earth-shattering right now.
18. (Talks about the cameras and doors and how she could have left) It's so hard to tell.
19. It's really hard to even suspect anything right now as far as how she could have left or if someone came and picked her up or if somebody took her.
20. I just want them home so bad.
21. I saw the kids on the monitor before I left, and that was it.
22. Canine units, they're getting scents, so hopefully they can pick up something and kinda go in a direction that will actually lead us to where maybe they're at right now.
23. (Basically ignores question about pregnancy) Mmm hmm, that's why I want everybody back.
24. I want everybody, I need everybody back here, and everybody safe.

Never says " anybody's" name even once.

 

[MsBetsy]

If CW's words are not proof, then his confession to killing SW is also a lie. I prefer to use logic that makes sense to me. It is nonsensical to insist everything CW said is a lie when there is a confession to police. JMO

What is logical is CW told the truth about everything he knew police would figure out and lied about everything he hoped they wouldn't.