My reponses to
@wildflower@ from earlier. The red text is my response ans is IMO:
We know little other than an adult , two children are dead.
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We know he is in jail and his confession.
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That is it.
I disagree. We know a whole lot more. We know the probable crime scene, we know where the bodies were disposed. We know who disposed of them. We know that the defendant has lied repeatedly. We knoe the defendant was having an affair
We have no idea if she wanted to save the marriage.
Or if she wanted to end it. Your point is?
We have no idea if she was pregnant. Prank pregnancy tests are easy to obtain.
He’s been charged with death of an unborn child. I’m pretty sure the autopsy confirmed she was pregnant
We have no idea who the father is.
Are you speculating? What is your point?
We have no idea if she was not having affair.
Double negative means you think she was having an affair? Link please .....
We have no idea why he placed the deceased the way he did.
He admitted killing SW and buried her to hide evidence. If SW killed girls then there is no reason to hide them, unless he’s trying to hide evidence that would further prove his guilt
We have no idea what the Hippa stuff is about.
We have no idea now when the children were killed.
Yes we do, between e/o party Sunday afternoon and 5am Monday
Some things we know:
(I disagree, should read "Some things I think I know, mixed with a handful of opinion and dab of speculation". IMO)
The notion of an ambush does not really fit with the suitcase being placed where it was, the purse, nicely placed on the counter, the shoes orderly placed . This is an opinion. That fits with the confession.
This is your OPINION. It doesn’t do anything to prove CW’s innocence. Premeditation could have occurred were he in bed waiting for SW upstairs too
Much has been made of the car seats in her car. All the car seats in the car does is fit in with the confession.
It just says that she didn’t leave with the girls in another vehicle, and CW didn’t have time/think of clearing it up. Doesn’t do anything to prove CW’s innocence.
The pillow case and sheet in garbage can seem most explained by the confession - someone not really thinking all that clearly cause he just killed his wife and his two kids are dead in his house.
Again this is your OPINION. If he wasn’t thinking clearly, he wouldn’t have the clarity of thought to start removing evidence, it would be left in place IMO
Much has made about him grilling . She described him eating steaks all the time - I do not think this was some big plan - he liked steak.
Again, this is an OPINION. Someone of a different opinion could argue he was trying to look like things were “normal” in the house. Or it may be meaningless and the girls could be in bed already or playing.
The garage door deal not working has not been disputed by LE - so it appears that was the truth.
Again this is your OPINION. If LE found the keypad to be working I can not see why they would announce it to the media, that is evidence for trial
We have no idea if someone who acknowledged a need for order did not by habit leave her keys in her car, in the garage - in fact it makes some sense as it relates to her need for order..
Again this is an OPINION. The known fact I think you’re trying to say, is that the keys are in the car. This could be nothing, or there could be more to it ….. who was planning to drive off?
The location of the cell phone, if anything, indicates a chaotic event, as reported in the confession.
Your OPINION. Your assumption that it ended there as the result of a chaotic event isn’t the only outcome, it could have been placed there innocently or deliberately, it doesn’t clear or convict CW. On the contrary, I think it was planted there when LE turned up. This is one of the first things CW would have wanted to locate while he was planning damage limitation on the drive home. imo
The notion that bed was stripped (observers) might actually be bed linen being accidently ripped off during violent activity as indicated in the confession. If it were an attempt to hide anything they would not just be there.
This is your OPINION. He might not have had time to dispose of the evidence. It also does not match the confession because CW said he strangled SW in Cece’s room, not their bedroom
The girls blankets missing fits with the confession - he stated he moved and deposited the children.
Excellent, you haven’t given your opinion when you claim something to be known fact! Presumably the blankets were located with the girls bodies, does nothing to clear CW, he just used the blankets to carry/wrap up the bodies as they may have been to hand, or for some bizarre “sentimental” or comforting reason as some suggest
The girls beds not being made fits with her description of him acting liking a bachelor when she was gone.
What is your point? The bed’s being made suggests the girls had been in bed before they were killed, but doesn’t prove they were killed in their beds, forensic reports should clear that up
The likelihood of steroid abuse is high. His fluctuations in body were drastic and marked. Most of us are aware of roid rage which is in line with the confession as it relates to losing it.
Where is the evidence he was on steroids? Please provide a link. Otherwise this is just your OPINION and should be said
All the doubt about the male sex partner ignore the fact that LE found him via CW cell phone - which matches how Trent described they met (cell).
What is your point? That CW IS gay and had a homosexual relationship? Or that CW told the truth about something?
Connections have been made of the alleged choking during sex. That has been extrapolated out to the killing. The same person described him as going off during sex - obviously that individual was not bothered by it in that she continued to have sex with him. Mutual role play is in all likelihood more likely.
What is your point? This is all your OPINION, again. What are the known facts you declare? What the alleged partner said on TV? If not please provide a link as I have not read anywhere the opinions of the AP (named in affidavit) and her sexual relationship with CW
We have no confirmation of wild statements on her part. She got her own house at 25 while making 24K a year. Locate the house - I have - laughable.
What is your point?? Again you’re giving an OPINION. I think you’re implying that SW lied about owning her first house on her then salary. How does that prove CW’s innocence? Being flippant doesn't portray you as someone with a whole lot of sympathy for the victim's side of the story? IMO
We know about financial problems while seeing her expensive closets, manicures, travel and a Lexus. We see him in an old truck and some cheap shorts and shirt. It would be logical to conclude that the financial problems were of her making.
Again, your OPINION. Again, your point is? I think you're implying that CW didn’t want any part in portraying an image of “living the American dream” and that SW drove this and is to blame for CW murdering her? If so, why not say so and declare as your OPINION?
For some reason they fled to the other side of the country leaving interior furnishings there. The current house was nicely appointed,
before Thrive - so one would have to come to the conclusion that she spent the money for the new house.
This is getting repetitive ….. speculation, your OPINION. What is your point? How does this prove CW’s innocence …. Please explain
That in and of itself is more than curious.
WHY? Please explain. What is your POINT? It is curious that they bought new house furnishings when they moved house? Really? Well I’ve done that …. A few times. It hasn’t driven me to murder
Thrive does not give folks cars. The small print on the stuff indicates that if targets are met they are given CREDIT toward a car. Common sense ,from a financial point of view clearly indicate that giving away luxury vehicles to people who sell a certain amount of patches would not be ideal from a corporate level.
This is your OPINION and has been discussed IN DEPTH if you care to read the first 20 threads before you became a WS member. Besides, we have been asked by Tricia NOT to discuss
If one checks out the guy at the head of thrive you will find he was fired from his previous position for money mismanagement.
Irrelevant, not allowed to discuss (*MODS*)
The family is destroyed.
I agree So whatever image was created by her was obviously a fabrication. A big one.
Again … this is an OPINION., Your POINT IS?
In essence what little we have fits his confession, while her declarations of what was going on in the house warrants much scrutiny.
Again this is YOUR OPINION and I have not read any “declerations” by SW because, unfortunately CW confessed to killing her.
The defense instantly wanting neck info - if anything gives much merit to his version. Defense attorneys do not typically beg for forensic tests that convict their clients from the onset.
Your OPINION. Again. If and when the Autopsy report is released then we will be able to do something other than wildly speculate about this.
We have no idea what medications she was on. But there was mention that some was left downstairs in her purse.
I agree!! You are declaring some facts. Logically this would indicate that whatever the medication was probably much more a PRN (xanax possibly) as opposed to some life threatening medication.
Ohh, here we go. Speculation again
His statement that he went downstairs justs fits. He just did not want to deal with a emotional outburst at that time and just stepped away.
YOUR OPINION …… come on, please! I have no doubt he went downstairs, more than once, but this does not prove innocence, there are bound to be slivers of truth running through his statement. My OPINION is that if there was a heated argument and CW wanted to “get away from it” downstairs, SW would have followed him down, not stayed in bed saying "OK honey, we'll carry on this argument when you get back" .... please. Also neighbours would have probably heard . JMO
The notion that he needed her financially is incorrect. He was making reasonably money and was involved with an affluent family. If anyone would have financial struggles in the event of divorce in all likelihood it would be her.
OPINION …zzzz
He had skill sets (car/oil) - she sold patches of something.
Your flippancy is suggesting, quite strongly , that you are not open to both sides of this story as I, and many are trying to be?
The notion that it is speculation that she killed two children is just not the case.
I sort of agree, it is not speculation, it is CW's word as per affidavit. That is what police have stated he said as fact.
So what is your point? LE are lying?? Nobody is making up the possibility that that is what happened. CW is. IMO
Can not be a rule in or a rule out.
Until evidence proves it beyond reasonable doubt in a Court of Law - that is what the Justice System is for.
The hero notion of her friend is also somewhat out there.
What difference does anybody’s opinion on here whether NUA is a hero or not have on proceedings?? IMO
…. At last …… the reality here
(you just contradicted yourself – reality or opinion?) is her best friend knew she could be emotionally fragile and possibly self harm.
What? That’s the first I have heard of that!? NUA “knew that SW could self harm”. Really? Please post the LINK. At no time did the friend report that she had concerns of her being in physical danger (DV). Nor has anyone else involved ever made mention of such.
Most FA don’t have a history of DV, read previous threads where it’s discussed in DETAIL
The friend rushing over there in such a short period of time actually feels much more like a suicide concern than a triple murder notion.
What is your point? Are you saying NUA was worried that SW would commit suicide and NOT worried about what might happen with CW? Really, where are the LINKS please. Welfare checks (for their age group) would be more self harm than anything else.
Is this an OPINION or have you got evidence to back it up?? If so, please link
She was histrionic to say the least.
Wow, another unbridled opinion, you’re not holding back. And who was "she" - NUA or SW? You’ve lost me now. A dramatic suicide attempt after learning that her rock, her life, the bestest thing ever ever in her life, on the planet, seems far more likely on the friends part.
What? SW made a suicide attempt? What? This is getting incoherent. Please post a link or is this more speculation?
It the friend was so scared she was with a murderer she would have placed the welfare call from where she was - you can not be wasting time if your friend is with a wild murderer.
I’m pretty sure neither SW or NUA feared things would have escalated as such. I agree. SW would not have left the girls in a “wild murderers “ care
His locking the door from the inside is what someone who just killed someone would do.
What? Your OPINION, again. I lock my door from the inside. What’s your point? I assume you are referring to NUA’s statement that the front door was locked differently. What I infer from this is that no one could have left via the front door, unless someone was still alive in the house, which they were not. So the last person to leave the house left by some other exit other than the front door. Make of that what you wish. So what was your point again?
Someone who just murdered someone would also lie. The uproar over his porch interview never made any sense to me. The nationwide shock that a murderer would try to hide that he just committed a murder is the norm. It is not this big mystery. It is the stuff of all true crime.
Your point is …..??????? What members on one side of this discussion have said, repeatedly, is that, if CW hadn’t killed the girls, hiw could he be so calm in the porch interviews about 30 hours later. We all agree he was lying. But no expression of emotion from CW is what surprised members. No uproar from the 60,000 or so posts I’ve read. Please link, I may have missed the one you are referring to
The same applies to not calling 911. Murderers do not call 911 generally speaking. There are logical reasons for this --three dead bodies would result in a visit from LE - just how it would work out.
Some members would argue that a father who played no part in killing his daughters wouldn’t “dispose” of them the way he did? A fair point I think IMO
HIV entering the dialog is strange IMO. For someone who reports she has many illnesses the jumping to the Hipaa stuff as being HIV related was, in this day and age shocking. A quarter of all new HIV diagnoses are heterosexual contact.
Irrelevant
We can not jump to the conclusion that because they charged him with all deaths means that is what occurred. Charging a dead person is rather meaningless. It is a high profile case.
I don’t see anyone jumping to any conclusions, I see intellectual discussion of the evidence, probabilities of events occurring and reasoning behind these possible outcomes. That’s what a forum is for. You can’t stop people forming opinions, and judging, if they see it that way. Reading your (often biased) decisions, it seems to me that you yourself have already "jumped to conclusions". JMO
At the end of the day we have to conclude that there certainly are secrets here - they are not acting like confident prosecutors at all.
Well, you certainly kept the best till last. First that is your OPINION and secondly, it is not the prosecutor’s job to keep us Joe Public filled in with all the latest developments. They are following legal process and carrying out their job in a responsible manner as far as I see, as are the Defense team I’m sure
There might be reasons for this.
What reason? You said all the above, you’ve given your opinion in 1322 words. Surely you could enlighten us with one more .......
