Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #43

[mtnlites]

Can it be proved CW didn't see Bella sprawled on the baby monitor and didn't see SW strangling CeCe? I doubt it.
CW told LE he saw this on the monitor prior to leaving the house. I'm willing to wait for more evidence and am not interested in convicting CW in the court of public opinion. JMO

They might be able to prove the second part of his statement, that she was blue, is a lie, though. People have given many examples as to why it would be next to impossible for him to see her skin pallor through the monitor, as well as why her skin would most likely not have been blue so soon after death.

 

[mtnlites]

"Chris said he last saw his wife at 5.15am before he left for work.

Watts said he saw his two girls asleep on the baby monitor as he left the house."



So YES, he did LIE the day after he killed them, by saying they were alive and well, and he saw them in the monitor.

This is from the UK Mirror

Sinister photo of what children did to Barbie - days before they were murdered

And that was a lie whether you believe his far-fetched story about SW killing them or not. Either way, he did NOT see them sleeping on the monitor as he left the house-they were in the back of his truck with him.

 

[RachB65]

Respectfully, I twisted nothing. You do not know what questions CW was asked nor do I.

The question the officer asked CW was NOT reflected in the arrest affidavit. The zeal in which CW is accused it getting a tad overboard.

JMO

Overboard? I think we are taking our cue from LE and the D.A. I believe they're the ones who charged him with 5 counts of 1st degree murder.

 

[mtnlites]

Overboard? I think we are taking our cue from LE and the D.A. I believe they're the ones who charged him with 5 counts of 1st degree murder.

Agree. If we were creating wild speculations against CW, things that were not grounded in the charges or MSM reporting, then that would be one thing. Or if him murdering the kids was just a collective group idea. Enough evidence has been found to charge him with the crimes, though, and suspecting him of lying about parts of his story is not far-fetched since, you know, we've literally seen and heard him lying about things that we know not to be true. Even those close to him, like the Thayers, are convinced of his involvement. Looking at the evidence that we have (and there is a LOT of evidence) IMO it's a question of "if" he did it but "why" and possibly "how."

 

[MsBetsy]

Can it be proved CW didn't see Bella sprawled on the baby monitor and didn't see SW strangling CeCe? I doubt it.
CW told LE he saw this on the monitor prior to leaving the house. I'm willing to wait for more evidence and am not interested in convicting CW in the court of public opinion. JMO

He may very well have seen her on the monitor after he killed her. But I think it won't be difficult for a jury to determine how unlikely it would be to see the child's color via a baby monitor. Also they would have to believe him in the first place to even consider it. I don't think it has to be proven that he saw her strangling Cece. They can make that judgement just by listening to his reasoning for not taking any action or attempt to save his child. Basically he is saying he didn't kill her, he just "watched" her being strangled. Jmo

 

[mtnlites]

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For me, I think it takes much more work to give CW's "story" any credence than it does to discount it and believe that he killed them all. To believe his version of events you have to discount all the lies he told; you have to believe that a pregnant, tired, and sick woman was able to kill not one but two people (to the point in which they are blue), in just the few minutes that he was downstairs; you have to believe that he could see Bella's blue face through a monitor that only stays focused on one area for a few second (and one that probably couldn't even see color); you have to find a way to explain the fact that he loaded their bodies up and dumped them instead of calling 911 to hopefully revive the children; you must discount what the Thayers saw and felt (which was something so unsettling that they, his FRIENDS, called LE and reported it; and you have to find a way to explain how and why SW (someone who's already overcome a failed marriage and two painful medical conditions) would flip into a homicidal rage when presented with the idea of a divorce or separation.

That's a heck of a lot of stuff to discount, ignore, and explain away.

On the other hand, you have a man who's already confessed to killing two people that night and someone who disposed of the bodies like rubbish and lied to everyone about it.

 

[PommyMommy]

Shanann Watts' family could secure estate with slayer statute, or civil lawsuit if no conviction
In Colorado, the slayer statute would prevent Christopher Watts from benefitting from his wife's estate if he is convicted in her murder. But, if he is found not guilty, his wife's family still has legal options it could pursue against him.

For now, Shanann Watts' father, Frank Rzucek Sr., has been made the personal representative of her estate, according to documents filed in September in Weld County District Court. Shanann Watts did not leave behind a will.

In an October court hearing held by telephone, other members of the Rzucek family and Christopher Watts agreed to letting her father become the personal representative.

According to Brantz, there is room for Rzucek to make partial distributions and manage the estate now. For the most part, though, Shanann Watts' estate "will just sorta be on hold until the criminal case is completed," he said.

Shanann Watts' family could secure estate with slayer statute, or civil lawsuit if no conviction
If he’s convicted in his wife’s murder, Watts essentially forfeits his inheritance and her life insurance under the slayer statute, according to David Brantz, an attorney at Kottke and Brantz, LLC in Boulder who focuses on estate planning and probate law. But if he is found not guilty, Brantz said he thinks it’s “extremely likely” that Shanann Watts’ family would file a civil lawsuit alleging Christopher Watts is responsible for her wrongful death.

A wrongful death lawsuit requires the plaintiff to prove “beyond a preponderance of evidence” that the person is responsible for the death, a lower standard than the criminal case requirement of “beyond a reasonable doubt.”

 

[bonjoviblonde]

He may very well have seen her on the monitor after he killed her. But I think it won't be difficult for a jury to determine how unlikely it would be to see the child's color via a baby monitor. Also they would have to believe him in the first place to even consider it. I don't think it has to be proven that he saw her strangling Cece. They can make that judgement just by listening to his reasoning for not taking any action or attempt to save his child. Basically he is saying he didn't kill her, he just "watched" her being strangled. Jmo

Yes another ridiculous lie when he states he sees one child on her bed blue in the face and then the other one being actively choked. So he sees a blue faced child yet waits the 8-10 seconds until the monitor changes to see his other child being strangled as opposed to seeing a blue faced child and immediatley running up to her room?

 

[Cinnalauda]

Hi all, been reading through these threads for a while, then got to the end just to discover the thread had been shut down. So pleased it's back open, I love hearing everyone's thoughts.
So I did a mad thing while the thread was shut and decided to transcribe (to the best of my ability) CW's ramblings from the 3 media interviews.

Links:

9 SW-cw interview 9 news.pdf

7 SW-CW-Denver7Interview.pdf

KDVR SW-CW-KDVR-interview.pdf


Colorado303 just mentioned this, but it stuck out to me too; the use of distancing language "THOSE kids" .
Along with several other things:
Manipulation: "If she doesn't get back to me that's fine, she's busy" (I'm not someone who gets worked up about stuff: I'm totally chill). "I don't want to put anything out there..." (Nothing bad would even cross my mind and I certainly wouldn't do anything bad. I won't frame anyone else either, I'm a good person. But I will put the thoughts in your head that somebody else did it and it wasn't me)
Duper's Delight appears a lot, along with a slight challenge once he felt he'd answered a question sufficiently - like he's seeing if they believe him. Sucking his lips inwards as if to silence himself, self-hugging as if to comfort himself. Makes it about him: HE's having a tough time, it's a nightmare for him, he feels like crap, he can't stay in the house. He misses... telling the kids off...? Okay...
He "just wants them back"...how many times does he say that?! Hmm, methinks thou dost protest too much. The LAUGH - what is this? A laugh of frustration, anger, expelling tension, glee?
One final thing I noticed; we know he uses the word 'like' a lot. But in the Denver 7 interview he uses " I mean" a lot. Could it be he felt the reporter wasn't giving him as much sympathy as the others? This reporter's questions were more direct. Did CW feel the need to gel with him by saying ' you know, you know what it's like'?
Sorry for the long ramble, I've held these thoughts in for a while!

 

[wildflower@]

If CW's words are not proof, then his confession to killing SW is also a lie. I prefer to use logic that makes sense to me. It is nonsensical to insist everything CW said is a lie when there is a confession to police. JMO

I agree -- its strange -- much more of his stuff fits than anything she portrayed about anything ever. Ever.

In fact it makes no sense whatsoever to admit to strangling your wife to death, wrapping up your wife and children and dunking them in filthy oil and tossing her in the ground.

Your not free ever again with that confession - why not confess to all of it IF you did all of it. What he confessed to doing is horrid.

She is dead. Dead people are not concerned about their reputation as far as I know. So the notion that he wanted the world to think she did it - makes no sense at all! She is dead.

I think roid rage is a much bigger component of this tragedy. His confession appears more upfront than any of the SM fantasy stuff.

 

[Zella]

Hi all, been reading through these threads for a while, then got to the end just to discover the thread had been shut down. So pleased it's back open, I love hearing everyone's thoughts.
So I did a mad thing while the thread was shut and decided to transcribe (to the best of my ability) CW's ramblings from the 3 media interviews.

Links:

9 SW-cw interview 9 news.pdf

7 SW-CW-Denver7Interview.pdf

KDVR SW-CW-KDVR-interview.pdf


Colorado303 just mentioned this, but it stuck out to me too; the use of distancing language "THOSE kids" .
Along with several other things:
Manipulation: "If she doesn't get back to me that's fine, she's busy" (I'm not someone who gets worked up about stuff: I'm totally chill). "I don't want to put anything out there..." (Nothing bad would even cross my mind and I certainly wouldn't do anything bad. I won't frame anyone else either, I'm a good person. But I will put the thoughts in your head that somebody else did it and it wasn't me)
Duper's Delight appears a lot, along with a slight challenge once he felt he'd answered a question sufficiently - like he's seeing if they believe him. Sucking his lips inwards as if to silence himself, self-hugging as if to comfort himself. Makes it about him: HE's having a tough time, it's a nightmare for him, he feels like crap, he can't stay in the house. He misses... telling the kids off...? Okay...
He "just wants them back"...how many times does he say that?! Hmm, methinks thou dost protest too much. The LAUGH - what is this? A laugh of frustration, anger, expelling tension, glee?
One final thing I noticed; we know he uses the word 'like' a lot. But in the Denver 7 interview he uses " I mean" a lot. Could it be he felt the reporter wasn't giving him as much sympathy as the others? This reporter's questions were more direct. Did CW feel the need to gel with him by saying ' you know, you know what it's like'?
Sorry for the long ramble, I've held these thoughts in for a while!

Thank you for doing this! As soon as I watched those interviews, I knew he was lying. And I'm sympathetic to nervous laughers and incoherent babblers/unemotional people because I am that way during moments of crisis, so I don't automatically assume any of that is a sign of guilt. But he had way too many verbal tells.

I also found his "This has to stop!" statement interesting. It made no sense in context. He was discussing the "emotional conversation" and then rambled on at some length about wanting them back and if they're safe, they're coming back, and if not--that's when he interrupts himself with that declaration about it needing to stop. There was no indication anything like this had ever happened before, so it just seemed so odd.

I have suspected that he repackaged details into his interviews and his statements, so I do think he saw the kids blue, but I think it's something he saw in person after he harmed them. I have wondered if "This has to stop" was something that came up in the "emotional conversation." I could easily see either one of them saying that to the other.

 

[NuttMegg]

Hi all, been reading through these threads for a while, then got to the end just to discover the thread had been shut down. So pleased it's back open, I love hearing everyone's thoughts.
So I did a mad thing while the thread was shut and decided to transcribe (to the best of my ability) CW's ramblings from the 3 media interviews.

Links:

9 SW-cw interview 9 news.pdf

7 SW-CW-Denver7Interview.pdf

KDVR SW-CW-KDVR-interview.pdf


Colorado303 just mentioned this, but it stuck out to me too; the use of distancing language "THOSE kids" .
Along with several other things:
Manipulation: "If she doesn't get back to me that's fine, she's busy" (I'm not someone who gets worked up about stuff: I'm totally chill). "I don't want to put anything out there..." (Nothing bad would even cross my mind and I certainly wouldn't do anything bad. I won't frame anyone else either, I'm a good person. But I will put the thoughts in your head that somebody else did it and it wasn't me)
Duper's Delight appears a lot, along with a slight challenge once he felt he'd answered a question sufficiently - like he's seeing if they believe him. Sucking his lips inwards as if to silence himself, self-hugging as if to comfort himself. Makes it about him: HE's having a tough time, it's a nightmare for him, he feels like crap, he can't stay in the house. He misses... telling the kids off...? Okay...
He "just wants them back"...how many times does he say that?! Hmm, methinks thou dost protest too much. The LAUGH - what is this? A laugh of frustration, anger, expelling tension, glee?
One final thing I noticed; we know he uses the word 'like' a lot. But in the Denver 7 interview he uses " I mean" a lot. Could it be he felt the reporter wasn't giving him as much sympathy as the others? This reporter's questions were more direct. Did CW feel the need to gel with him by saying ' you know, you know what it's like'?
Sorry for the long ramble, I've held these thoughts in for a while!

Thanks for doing that, it is truly above and beyond the call of duty. So now I can review his lies without having to see that silly sculpted vanity beard and stone cold lying face.

 

[MsBetsy]

We know little other than an adult , two children are dead.

We know he is in jail and his confession.

That is it.

We have no idea if she wanted to save the marriage.

We have no idea if she was pregnant. Prank pregnancy tests are easy to obtain.

We have no idea who the father is.

We have no idea if she was not having affair.

We have no idea why he placed the deceased the way he did.

We have no idea what the Hippa stuff is about.

We have no idea now when the children were killed.

Some things we know:

The notion of an ambush does not really fit with the suitcase being placed where it was, the purse, nicely placed on the counter, the shoes orderly placed . That fits with the confession.

Much has been made of the car seats in her car. All the car seats in the car does is fit in with the confession.

The pillow case and sheet in garbage can seem most explained by the confession - someone not really thinking all that clearly cause he just killed his wife and his two kids are dead in his house.

Much has made about him grilling . She described him eating steaks all the time - I do not think this was some big plan - he liked steak.

The garage door deal not working has not been disputed by LE - so it appears that was the truth.

We have no idea if someone who acknowledged a need for order did not by habit leave her keys in her car, in the garage - in fact it makes some sense as it relates to her need for order.

The location of the cell phone, if anything, indicates a chaotic event, as reported in the confession.

The notion that bed was stripped (observers) might actually be bed linen being accidently ripped off during violent activity as indicated in the confession. If it were an attempt to hide anything they would not just be there.

The girls blankets missing fits with the confession - he stated he moved and deposited the children.

The girls beds not being made fits with her description of him acting liking a bachelor when she was gone.

The likelihood of steroid abuse is high. His fluctuations in body were drastic and marked. Most of us are aware of roid rage which is in line with the confession as it relates to losing it.

All the doubt about the male sex partner ignore the fact that LE found him via CW cell phone - which matches how Trent described they met (cell).

Connections have been made of the alleged choking during sex. That has been extrapolated out to the killing. The same person described him as going off during sex - obviously that individual was not bothered by it in that she continued to have sex with him. Mutual role play is in all likelihood more likely.

We have no confirmation of wild statements on her part. She got her own house at 25 while making 24K a year. Locate the house - I have - laughable.

We know about financial problems while seeing her expensive closets, manicures, travel and a Lexus. We see him in an old truck and some cheap shorts and shirt. It would be logical to conclude that the financial problems were of her making.

For some reason they fled to the other side of the country leaving interior furnishings there. The current house was nicely appointed, before Thrive - so one would have to come to the conclusion that she spent the money for the new house.

That in and of itself is more than curious.

Thrive does not give folks cars. The small print on the stuff indicates that if targets are met they are given CREDIT toward a car. Common sense ,from a financial point of view clearly indicate that giving away luxury vehicles to people who sell a certain amount of patches would not be ideal from a corporate level.

If one checks out the guy at the head of thrive you will find he was fired from his previous position for money mismanagement.

The family is destroyed. So whatever image was created by her was obviously a fabrication. A big one.

In essence what little we have fits his confession, while her declarations of what was going on in the house warrants much scrutiny.

The defense instantly wanting neck info - if anything gives much merit to his version. Defense attorneys do not typically beg for forensic tests that convict their clients from the onset.

We have no idea what medications she was on. But there was mention that some was left downstairs in her purse. Logically this would indicate that whatever the medication was probably much more a PRN (xanax possibly) as opposed to some life threatening medication.

His statement that he went downstairs justs fits. He just did not want to deal with a emotional outburst at that time and just stepped away.

The notion that he needed her financially is incorrect. He was making reasonably money and was involved with an affluent family. If anyone would have financial struggles in the event of divorce in all likelihood it would be her.

He had skill sets (car/oil) - she sold patches of something.

The notion that it is speculation that she killed two children is just not the case. That is what police have stated he said as fact. Noone is making up the possibility that that is what happened.

Can not be a rule in or a rule out.

The hero notion of her friend is also somewhat out there. IMO the reality here is her best friend knew she could be emotionally fragile and possibly self harm. At no time did the friend report that she had concerns of her being in physical danger (DV). Nor has anyone else involved ever made mention of such.

The friend rushing over there in such a short period of time actually feels much more like a suicide concern than a triple murder notion. Welfare checks (for their age group) would be more self harm than anything else.

She was histrionic to say the least. A dramatic suicide attempt after learning that her rock, her life, the bestest thing ever ever in her life, on the planet, seems far more likely on the friends part.

It the friend was so scared she was with a murderer she would have placed the welfare call from where she was - you can not be wasting time if your friend is with a wild murderer.

His locking the door from the inside is what someone who just killed someone would do.

Someone who just murdered someone would also lie. The uproar over his porch interview never made any sense to me. The nationwide shock that a murderer would try to hide that he just committed a murder is the norm. It is not this big mystery. It is the stuff of all true crime.

The same applies to not calling 911. Murderers do not call 911 generally speaking. There are logical reasons for this --three dead bodies would result in a visit from LE - just how it would work out.

HIV entering the dialog is strange IMO. For someone who reports she has many illnesses the jumping to the Hipaa stuff as being HIV related was, in this day and age shocking. A quarter of all new HIV diagnoses are heterosexual contact.

We can not jump to the conclusion that because they charged him with all deaths means that is what occurred. Charging a dead person is rather meaningless. It is a high profile case.

At the end of the day we have to conclude that there certainly are secrets here - they are not acting like confident prosecutors at all.

There might be reasons for this.

I don't think the sheets in the garbage is any indication that he was not thinking clearly as he did that long after he had hidden the bodies and told his story to LE and the friend. Also, what is the source for the fact that LE found out about the male lover from CW 's cell? I had not read that. Also it's not that there is an uproar over the interview just because people are shocked by it, it is significant because it is typical sociopathic behavior and there is a great deal that can be analyzed from his words and gestures. It is a study of human behavior, it's not quite as simple as the notion that all murderers lie. The human mind is very complex, and much can be read into each word and the manner in which it is said. The friend rushing over does not at all mean she suspected suicide. She stated that she was suspicious of CW immediately. She knew he was involved from the minute she spoke to him. She just didn't know immediately what is was that had happened, but as she was very intuitive it didn't take her long to suspect the worse. She also knew that SW would never commit suicide. I don't think anyone is making it an issue that CW liked steak. It's the fact that he was grilling on the deck as if nothing was wrong, and the idea that could have already killed them, or at least knew he was about to kill them

 

[molly1255]

Respectfully, I twisted nothing. You do not know what questions CW was asked nor do I.

The question the officer asked CW was NOT reflected in the arrest affidavit. The zeal in which CW is accused it getting a tad overboard.

JMO

We do know the answer he gave when asked this question by reporter. Here's an example of his response (2:55), and it was a lie. The last time he saw his daughters was when he crammed their little bodies into oil storage tanks.

 

[MsBetsy]

I agree -- its strange -- much more of his stuff fits than anything she portrayed about anything ever. Ever.

In fact it makes no sense whatsoever to admit to strangling your wife to death, wrapping up your wife and children and dunking them in filthy oil and tossing her in the ground.

Your not free ever again with that confession - why not confess to all of it IF you did all of it. What he confessed to doing is horrid.

She is dead. Dead people are not concerned about their reputation as far as I know. So the notion that he wanted the world to think she did it - makes no sense at all! She is dead.

I think roid rage is a much bigger component of this tragedy. His confession appears more upfront than any of the SM fantasy stuff.

To me it makes perfect sense that he admitted to killing his wife but not the children. He knew there was no other option. LE would know he had to have killed her. His claim that she killed the children was the only hope he had to ensure a lighter sentence, of avoiding the death penalty, and the fact that the dead don't care about their reputation has nothing to do with it. He obviously cares about his own. Jmo

 

[Charlot123]

We know little other than an adult , two children are dead.

We know he is in jail and his confession.

That is it.

We have no idea if she wanted to save the marriage.

We have no idea if she was pregnant. Prank pregnancy tests are easy to obtain.

We have no idea who the father is.

We have no idea if she was not having affair.

We have no idea why he placed the deceased the way he did.

We have no idea what the Hippa stuff is about.

We have no idea now when the children were killed.

Some things we know:

The notion of an ambush does not really fit with the suitcase being placed where it was, the purse, nicely placed on the counter, the shoes orderly placed . That fits with the confession.

Much has been made of the car seats in her car. All the car seats in the car does is fit in with the confession.

The pillow case and sheet in garbage can seem most explained by the confession - someone not really thinking all that clearly cause he just killed his wife and his two kids are dead in his house.

Much has made about him grilling . She described him eating steaks all the time - I do not think this was some big plan - he liked steak.

The garage door deal not working has not been disputed by LE - so it appears that was the truth.

We have no idea if someone who acknowledged a need for order did not by habit leave her keys in her car, in the garage - in fact it makes some sense as it relates to her need for order.

The location of the cell phone, if anything, indicates a chaotic event, as reported in the confession.

The notion that bed was stripped (observers) might actually be bed linen being accidently ripped off during violent activity as indicated in the confession. If it were an attempt to hide anything they would not just be there.

The girls blankets missing fits with the confession - he stated he moved and deposited the children.

The girls beds not being made fits with her description of him acting liking a bachelor when she was gone.

The likelihood of steroid abuse is high. His fluctuations in body were drastic and marked. Most of us are aware of roid rage which is in line with the confession as it relates to losing it.

All the doubt about the male sex partner ignore the fact that LE found him via CW cell phone - which matches how Trent described they met (cell).

Connections have been made of the alleged choking during sex. That has been extrapolated out to the killing. The same person described him as going off during sex - obviously that individual was not bothered by it in that she continued to have sex with him. Mutual role play is in all likelihood more likely.

We have no confirmation of wild statements on her part. She got her own house at 25 while making 24K a year. Locate the house - I have - laughable.

We know about financial problems while seeing her expensive closets, manicures, travel and a Lexus. We see him in an old truck and some cheap shorts and shirt. It would be logical to conclude that the financial problems were of her making.

For some reason they fled to the other side of the country leaving interior furnishings there. The current house was nicely appointed, before Thrive - so one would have to come to the conclusion that she spent the money for the new house.

That in and of itself is more than curious.

Thrive does not give folks cars. The small print on the stuff indicates that if targets are met they are given CREDIT toward a car. Common sense ,from a financial point of view clearly indicate that giving away luxury vehicles to people who sell a certain amount of patches would not be ideal from a corporate level.

If one checks out the guy at the head of thrive you will find he was fired from his previous position for money mismanagement.

The family is destroyed. So whatever image was created by her was obviously a fabrication. A big one.

In essence what little we have fits his confession, while her declarations of what was going on in the house warrants much scrutiny.

The defense instantly wanting neck info - if anything gives much merit to his version. Defense attorneys do not typically beg for forensic tests that convict their clients from the onset.

We have no idea what medications she was on. But there was mention that some was left downstairs in her purse. Logically this would indicate that whatever the medication was probably much more a PRN (xanax possibly) as opposed to some life threatening medication.

His statement that he went downstairs justs fits. He just did not want to deal with a emotional outburst at that time and just stepped away.

The notion that he needed her financially is incorrect. He was making reasonably money and was involved with an affluent family. If anyone would have financial struggles in the event of divorce in all likelihood it would be her.

He had skill sets (car/oil) - she sold patches of something.

The notion that it is speculation that she killed two children is just not the case. That is what police have stated he said as fact. Noone is making up the possibility that that is what happened.

Can not be a rule in or a rule out.

The hero notion of her friend is also somewhat out there. IMO the reality here is her best friend knew she could be emotionally fragile and possibly self harm. At no time did the friend report that she had concerns of her being in physical danger (DV). Nor has anyone else involved ever made mention of such.

The friend rushing over there in such a short period of time actually feels much more like a suicide concern than a triple murder notion. Welfare checks (for their age group) would be more self harm than anything else.

She was histrionic to say the least. A dramatic suicide attempt after learning that her rock, her life, the bestest thing ever ever in her life, on the planet, seems far more likely on the friends part.

It the friend was so scared she was with a murderer she would have placed the welfare call from where she was - you can not be wasting time if your friend is with a wild murderer.

His locking the door from the inside is what someone who just killed someone would do.

Someone who just murdered someone would also lie. The uproar over his porch interview never made any sense to me. The nationwide shock that a murderer would try to hide that he just committed a murder is the norm. It is not this big mystery. It is the stuff of all true crime.

The same applies to not calling 911. Murderers do not call 911 generally speaking. There are logical reasons for this --three dead bodies would result in a visit from LE - just how it would work out.

HIV entering the dialog is strange IMO. For someone who reports she has many illnesses the jumping to the Hipaa stuff as being HIV related was, in this day and age shocking. A quarter of all new HIV diagnoses are heterosexual contact.

We can not jump to the conclusion that because they charged him with all deaths means that is what occurred. Charging a dead person is rather meaningless. It is a high profile case.

At the end of the day we have to conclude that there certainly are secrets here - they are not acting like confident prosecutors at all.

There might be reasons for this.

Agree about living beyond means. Yes, they probably were financially irresponsible, and likely, it was SW. This is not an explanation for family annihilation, nor killing of the pregnant wife (to this CW confided).

You did not comment on CW uglily burying the bodies. Worse than living beyond the means.

I would make no assumptions about either Xanax, or HIV.

SW had lupus and was on her third pregnancy. An anticoagulant is much more reasonable to assume than Xanax. Xanax is not wrong if prescribed by a doctor, but why necessarily think Xanax, and prn? We don't know it yet.

CW could have anything wrong with him, but assuming it was HIV without knowing for sure is big.

I would not care either way if he is gay or straight (neither carries an enhanced risk of family annihilation), so people can speculate on his sex life till the cows come home, but HIV is an infectious disease, yet incurable, so it is a huge thing to state, without any proof, as some posters did. (Not you). We should drop this issue altogether unless it is proven.

The prosecutors might be not confident; on the other hand, it is a high-profile case, and everyone is watching. It is all too human to be cautious.

 

[molly1255]

Shanann Watts' family could secure estate with slayer statute, or civil lawsuit if no conviction
In Colorado, the slayer statute would prevent Christopher Watts from benefitting from his wife's estate if he is convicted in her murder. But, if he is found not guilty, his wife's family still has legal options it could pursue against him.

For now, Shanann Watts' father, Frank Rzucek Sr., has been made the personal representative of her estate, according to documents filed in September in Weld County District Court. Shanann Watts did not leave behind a will.

In an October court hearing held by telephone, other members of the Rzucek family and Christopher Watts agreed to letting her father become the personal representative.

According to Brantz, there is room for Rzucek to make partial distributions and manage the estate now. For the most part, though, Shanann Watts' estate "will just sorta be on hold until the criminal case is completed," he said.

Shanann Watts' family could secure estate with slayer statute, or civil lawsuit if no conviction
If he’s convicted in his wife’s murder, Watts essentially forfeits his inheritance and her life insurance under the slayer statute, according to David Brantz, an attorney at Kottke and Brantz, LLC in Boulder who focuses on estate planning and probate law. But if he is found not guilty, Brantz said he thinks it’s “extremely likely” that Shanann Watts’ family would file a civil lawsuit alleging Christopher Watts is responsible for her wrongful death.

A wrongful death lawsuit requires the plaintiff to prove “beyond a preponderance of evidence” that the person is responsible for the death, a lower standard than the criminal case requirement of “beyond a reasonable doubt.”

Very interesting and thank you for posting this. I pray for SW's family that justice is served at the criminal trial and that they don't have to go through the additional trauma and stress of a civil lawsuit.

The Goldman's won their civil trial against OJ and I'm so glad they got some form of justice, though I imagine the whole civil process created a lot of additional stress that they didn't need or deserve.

 

[idfinch]

They were married and therefore equally responsible for any financial situation they were in. Together. As adults.

The idea that Shanann was dripping in jewels and designer things while poor Chris lived in tattered 2nd hand clothes is offensively laughable imo.

 

[NuttMegg]

I can't go along with blaming the murdered woman Shan'nan for living beyond means. We have no idea how much money CW spent on his APs over the years. Is it possible that he had a love nest apartment rented for his extracurricular activities? That lawn mower was meant to mow the lawn of an estate, and that is one humongous grill for a steak now and then. IIRC Shan'nan's selling of her house provided the down payment for the new big house even though it was first in his name. Did he have any money saved up by that time in his life, or investments like she did? There is no proof, not an iota, that Shan'nan spent more money than he did.

 

[molly1255]

Did Shanann dress the girls up for Halloween last year?

Thinking about these little girls CeCe and Bella tonight and if they’d be be getting dressed up in fairy and princess costumes.

Or maybe a kitty cat?

This makes me so incredibly sad to think about. I bet SW always made sure to maximize their fun and excitement for Halloween, and that she always made sure they had the most adorable and unique costumes, too.