Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #43

[Tippy Lynn]

well, let's do it without snark.

I'd like to hear some valid reasons that we should believe what CW has to say about that tragic incident.

It’s not what he has to say, but more along the lines of what we don’t know and what hasn’t been proven that opens the possibility for me.
IMO

 

[bonjoviblonde]

I don't really understand the reasoning that SW went crazy and killed her kids as revenge for CW leaving her because she will lose the lifestyle she loved so much. She wasn't married to Bill Gates. She's a middle class wife and mother who got manicures and had a closet full of mostly Target clothing, not Chanel. If you want to use finances as a motive, he had a lot more to lose than she did in that department.

 

[MsBetsy]

I think thats because these alternate possibilities veer toward victim blaming n bashing. To those of us who have read up n researched heavily FA this case seems not much different than those and the inevitable conclusion, right down to some of them blaming the wife for killing the children before killing her.
The theories ive seen expressed for believing his story are weak and reaching, many(not all)expressed with a seeming dislike for the victim. While many of these theories express interesting points, they are far from overshadowing all the things that he said and did that will ultimately prove he killed them all...IMOO
It all makes me believe that even if he didnt blame Shanann for killing the girls and took full resposibility, there would be still be some who blamed her for his actions.
Maybe its because SOME have taken a dislike to the wife/victim. The only way to justify this dislike to themselves and others is to believe his story.

And all this after a man who had just admitted to strangling his wife to death and dumping his children's bodies in oil tanks said; I didn't do it, she did!

 

[NuttMegg]

I, too, have found some things very curious. I was shocked when the Defense stated they were lead to believe the coroner was not going to order DNA testing for the children's necks and they had to consult with an expert to ensure it could be done. I look forward to seeing if the testing was fruitful.

The prosecutor and sheriff--both politicians-- ensured this case would be high profile by making it national news the day they were reported missing. The prosecutor then fuels the flames by wanting the autopsy sealed even before the defense received a copy of the reports and the prosecutor made the request to the wrong court.

A prosecutor is expected to know the correct judicial process. That this one didn't know it concerns me.
JMO

I think CW's voluntary media appearances made the case go high profile/national. Had he not given in to vanity and the lure to star on camera, few would know about the lies he told.

That, and "dumping" the bodies of his very little girls in crude oil and leaving his wife with her fetus out in a shallow grave, inviting predation by vultures, rodents, and larger mammals. Predation probably was the goal.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Can you share some of the research that shows Shananan murdered her babies?

It happens mother’s have killed their children before.

 

[MyBelle]

Those who want to discuss other possibilities have read up and done research as well. I would like to discuss other possibilities - because I actually think there is a possibility and not because I have s dislike for the victim.

I agree there are other plausible theories as to how this tragedy unfolded. Every case is unique and isn't a rubber-stamp of another.
JMO

 

[esayer]

They were married and therefore equally responsible for any financial situation they were in. Together. As adults.

The idea that Shanann was dripping in jewels and designer things while poor Chris lived in tattered 2nd hand clothes is offensively laughable imo.

Yes this is a favorite trope of CW fans. I've been going on FB to get my SW/CW fix since AB and WS stopped. The fan girls over there Loooooove to bash every tiny thing about SW and to me it is disturbing and honestly quite sickening. They willfully deny all of the facts, going so far to say CW didn't even kill SW. It's nuts.

 

[Johnny1181]

I, too, have found some things very curious. I was shocked when the Defense stated they were lead to believe the coroner was not going to order DNA testing for the children's necks and they had to consult with an expert to ensure it could be done. I look forward to seeing if the testing was fruitful.

The prosecutor and sheriff--both politicians-- ensured this case would be high profile by making it national news the day they were reported missing. The prosecutor then fuels the flames by wanting the autopsy sealed even before the defense received a copy of the reports and the prosecutor made the request to the wrong court.

A prosecutor is expected to know the correct judicial process. That this one didn't know it concerns me.
JMO

And the judge shut the defense down and basically said the coroner's office knows how to do their job. iirc

 

[RachB65]

I am curious tho. How many men here believe his story?

 

[nwmouse]

It happens mother’s have killed their children before.

Gitana1 was discussing this earlier:
Found Deceased - CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #43

Quoting:
"1. Women who kill their children overwhelmingly show evidence of mental health issues/volatile behavior prior to the murders. 911 calls. Hospitalization. Suicide attempts and threats. Threats to do harm. Dosmetic violence.

There is no evidence of that here.

2. Nicole Utoft has spoken quite a bit about why she was concerned. Not once did she mention that it was because SW had been acting weird or because she felt she was in danger of harming herself, despite desperate attempts of various people attempting to make that allegation. It's just not reality.

She has been clear as to her reasons for alarm. SW's pregnancy and not feeling well, not answering the phone, car parked in the garage and notably, CW's nonchalant behavior and stranger attempts to deflect (we are separating) are what worried her.

3. There has not been one real case in written history that I can find where one parent kills their children and in a rage the other one immediately kills that parent, in the exact same manner.

4. I have not heard of one case where one parent murders their children and the other parent fails to call for help and instead quietly and stealthily immediately conceals the crime and hides the bodies, except when they are implicated in the deaths of the children.

5. Insecurity doesn't equal murder.

6. If there was anything significant in the autopsy report for the defense they'd request a bond hearing.

7. I have cited a few high profile cases where the state sought to seal autopsy reports until trial and one lesser known homicide case in CO. It's not super common but in cases that are in the news there's a reason for the state to want to seal info that makes the defendant look bad. No one wants end up with geniuses like the jurors who served at the casey anthony trial. Except the defense.

And the more stuff is published, the more likely that is.

I still remember days of jury selection. One after another possible juror eliminated: "Yes I read the news and I feel she's guilty."

What were they left with? People who don't read the news and/or people who didn't find the facts released due to sunshine laws, indicative of her guilt.

Prosecutors like to avoid that.

8. Affairs are present in many cases of male family annihilators.

9. Murder is the second cause of death of pregnant women."

 

[Johnny1181]

It happens mother’s have killed their children before.

That's true. But your OP described research done to show alternative theories to CW killing his babies so I was hoping for links to the research you've done so I might consider other theories.

 

[MyBelle]

It happens mother’s have killed their children before.

And the frequency seems to be increasing. It boggles my mind that the Hoggle children have been missing four years. JMO

 

[esayer]

Yes, it is. Don't even get me started on Sephora, pizza joints and Chick-fil-A.
MOO

Yep and SW said when she was in NC that CW was living the bachelor live and eating T-Bones, in a tone that clearly showed she was annoyed. IMO she was the one who did the finances in that family and was trying to get on top of it with Le-Vel.

 

[MsBetsy]

In relation to that it was being asserted here many times that Shanann was planning a "romantic getaway" with CW and I asked several times for a link verifying that but never got an answer. It seems like a lot of things are being said about this poor victim without any justification. jmo

Oh, yes, I asked about that as soon as I saw it, but then there were so many other things I wanted to know I forgot all about it. I would still like to know where that came from.

 

[nwmouse]

Oh, yes, I asked about that as soon as I saw it, but then there were so many other things I wanted to know I forgot all about it. I would still like to know where that came from.

Likely came from the same person's thumb who has alleged that SW could have faked/pranked her pregnancy.
MOO.

 

[Johnny1181]

And the frequency seems to be increasing. It boggles my mind that the Hoggle children have been missing four years. JMO

I'm confused as to how that is relevant to this case. Did the father confess to murdering their mother and burying her and his unborn son in a shallow grave? Is he accusing her of murdering them or is he suspected of dumping their bodies in oil tanks? I truly have never heard of this case.

 

[Johnny1181]

deleted by me, the OP disappeared from my reply.

 

[MsBetsy]

It happens mother’s have killed their children before.

Yes, but in almost every case the circumstances surrounding the crime are completely different. Shanann did not have any signs of behavior seen in these cases. It would be unprecedented, but not likely. Jmo

 

[bonjoviblonde]

I agree there are other plausible theories as to how this tragedy unfolded. Every case is unique and isn't a rubber-stamp of another.
JMO

I have yet to see one plausible theory posted on how and why SW killed her children. I'm absolutely willing to hear one at trial and I will humbly admit how wrong I was, but I have heard nothing so far that points me in that direction. I won't list all of the reasons I think CW is guilty as they have been posted over and over but for me the list is long and obvious. So I'm going to need something to really convince me SW did these murders.

Yes this is a favorite trope of CW fans. I've been going on FB to get my SW/CW fix since AB and WS stopped. The fan girls over there Loooooove to bash every tiny thing about SW and to me it is disturbing and honestly quite sickening. They willfully deny all of the facts, going so far to say CW didn't even kill SW. It's nuts.

LOL Who killed her then? Or do they think suicide? SW kills the kids and then herself? So what would be CW's reasoning for getting rid of the bodies instead of calling 911 in that scenario? Are we still to believe he had to get rid of all of these bodies for fear he would be blamed. It's just ludicrous.

 

[Medstudies]

I think CW's voluntary media appearances made the case go high profile/national. Had he not given in to vanity and the lure to star on camera, few would know about the lies he told.

That, and "dumping" the bodies of his very little girls in crude oil and leaving his wife with her fetus out in a shallow grave, inviting predation by vultures, rodents, and larger mammals. Predation probably was the goal.

Well this is a weird WS glitch. I get an alert you quoted my post, but it links to your response to Mybelle.

Just goes to prove that things aren’t always perfect.