Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #43

[Tippy Lynn]

No. None of them were dumb enough to come up with a story that stupid, nor arrogant enough to apparently believe that people would fall for it.

I didn't think they were the same so I'm not comparing them to this case.
jmo

 

[Johnny1181]

I've likely done the same research as others have following the case. IMO the possibilities are there.

I understand. I just haven't seen and since you posted about it I was hoping that you would share.

 

[Thepoet]

Believe it or not, intellect is also telling some the door is open for other possibilities. There's still a lot we don't know that may prove he was telling the truth.
jmo

I respect your opinion. What specifically do you think we don't know that may prove CW is telling the truth? I will consider your suggestions.

 

[MassGuy]

I didn't think they were the same so I'm not comparing them to this case.
jmo

So the fact that he used a particular story to attempt to lie his way out of this, renders all the other parallels moot?

He’s one of many.

 

[mtnlites]

The Jeffrey MacDonald Case, almost fifty years ago is eerily similar. Adulterous husband, pregnant wife, two daughters (almost the same age)! McDonald blamed crazed hippies though, not his wife.

Christian Longo killed his family after claiming his wife strangled the kids.

 

[Johnny1181]

Believe it or not, intellect is also telling some the door is open for other possibilities. There's still a lot we don't know that may prove he was telling the truth.
jmo

Could you share what we don't know? I guess I don't know what I don't know.

 

[MyBelle]

Yep and SW said when she was in NC that CW was living the bachelor live and eating T-Bones, in a tone that clearly showed she was annoyed. IMO she was the one who did the finances in that family and was trying to get on top of it with Le-Vel.

Was SW annoyed because she couldn't control CW from North Carolina? I don't see how eating steak has anything to do with who handled the finances. My husband and I had separate checking accounts. Many working couples do. JMO

 

[RachB65]

I listen to podcasts and watch vlogs of women (men too! ) recounting stories of overcoming adversity, it's how it is today. There appears to be a generation gap which is holding back logical thinking, women are being held accountable for their own deaths because they use social media!JMO[/QUOTE/

SBBM
It sounds like you are saying people of a certain age or older are doing most of the victim blaming because of coming of age some time before social media, thus being judgemental of somethimg we dont have a grasp of or agree with; Im gonna disagree with you here. I am in my 50s who has many friends my age who use SM for one reason or another. I dont but will indulge watching others. Whatever people share or overshare is their business and i cast no judgement on it as i cast none upon Shanann's use of it. It bears no weight in this case and what happened. Its just unfortunate it seems to be one of the first that has SM center stage highlighting the victims. It seems to be a powerful negative and detriment in terms of the public opinion of the case but is in no way responsible for her death or worth bashing her life. MOO

 

[tmar]

Could you share what we don't know? I guess I don't know what I don't know.

Wonderful.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

So the fact that he used a particular story to attempt to lie his way out of this, renders all the other parallels moot?

He’s one of many.

That's not what I said.

Although unlikely, I think it's plausible he was telling the truth.
We know SW went though a divorce previously and she was able to get through it and build a new life. However, being pregnant, having 2 toddlers, finding out your husband is cheating and going through a second divorce would likely make any woman feel overwhelmed. At this point and with what we know I don't think it's off the wall to think the possibility is there.
jmo

 

[Moonracer]

Very interesting, Wildflower. It is laid out very reasonably and persuasively.

BUT - since by your own words (and the few facts we know) CHRIS was having an affair with someone else, and maybe more than one, AND had in the weeks before the event not been as loving (per NUA recounting SW's remarks), IMO that precludes HIM loving SW so much that he'd try to cover up her insane deeds by plopping his dead kids into the oil tanks and her into an easily-detectable grave!

I respect that our opinions differ, however!

ETA: Reiterating that I felt your post was very good, but I have diff opinion.

What I am saying (it is mo) is that to me, it is within the realm of probability that a young lady who described herself as being fragile in her videos about how everything was so bad earlier that there might be a pretty intense response to actually hear what she might have heard that night.

For any individual who endlessly tells the world how her husband is the best. The greatest. Her rock. She could not survive without him. Would not be here if it were not for him. That is the greatest. That takes total care of her. The provides for her better than any other person she has ever met in her existence thus far - in her life. The best daddy ever. The best husband ever. Ever.

Might be pretty traumatized to finally hear, for the first time, that this greatest person ever is actually leaving.

That is an emotional conversation. Out of anything he said that description of the night so struck me. His leaving the area fits with what I think actually happened.

SHE lost it - at first not him. MOO. She also might have learned that night for the very first time that he found love with someone else might be pretty upsetting.

To then learn that in addition to learning your rock. your foundation, what you take in every breath for every minute of your life , has also been enjoying sex with men - that is a reasonably rough conversation.

For someone who endless states how another person is the rock of their lives - it might make some sense to feel some deep wounding, rage.

The notion that someone in that moment might not want to strike back in the most dramatic fashion is really not all that out there.

What way could she hurt him the most. He had love. Employ. His children. In a rage IMO that is what happened that night.

Just like each of you have your opinion - I do as well.

One can not have it both ways. Either it was all a commercial or a cover for a very scared and lonely young lady. Per her reports she describes being left by everyone.

IMO in reality the chronic need to endlessly chant how awesome he is indicative of some profound insecurities.

Kind of like hearing herself say it all the time. It certainly is not typical at that point in a relationship. At first maybe - after years of marriage it was strange and peculiar.

Just another angle - it is not beyond being possible. LE filed all the charges weeks before any medical examination.

To conclude that LE does not believe him when they charged him with it all, instantly, weeks before anything was known, is more than curious.

Every state is different - but there sure is an interesting and relentless need to keep the autopsy secret. That also, is not common.

That is what I think happened. Difference is what makes the world interesting.

 

[idfinch]

Just because NUA hasn't publicly said she was concerned about SW's mental health doesn't mean she was not concerned and did not express her concerns to LE. I think LE responded so quickly--and involved the FBI-- because there was genuine fear SW would harm the children.

NUA has been very clear about how she felt in interviews. She is also a friend of the victim and a witness, as such a victim herself.

I am not sure it's appropriate nor within TOS to imply that she either A) lied about what she said regarding her concerns about CW's reactions, not Shanann's, and/or B) to imply that NUA said this to LE to make LE have "genuine fear" that Shanann would harm her children.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Could you share what we don't know? I guess I don't know what I don't know.

I wish I knew what we don't know.

 

[PommyMommy]

I first saw this stated as fact in a post yesterday(or day before) by Wildflower, i think. I too asked for a link right after reading it.

We may be talking about a different post then. I'm not worried about it though - I really never expected an answer. That's been the typical response. MOO

 

[Johnny1181]

That's not what I said.

Although unlikely, I think it's plausible he was telling the truth.
We know SW went though a divorce previously and she was able to get through it and build a new life. However, being pregnant, having 2 toddlers, finding out your husband is cheating and going through a second divorce would likely make any woman feel overwhelmed. At this point and with what we know I don't think it's off the wall to think the possibility is there.
jmo

Considering what an outrageously heinous liar he has proven himself to be, how is it actually plausible he is telling the truth in his crazy claim that he watched Shannan actively murdering his child and rather than scream to the mountaintops, and 911, for help he instead turned into a murder? jmo

 

[Moonracer]

Each of them confessed to killing their pregnant wife and blamed their wives for killing their children??

I believe one of them did, was it CC? One FA said his wife killed the kids and then he killed her, a la CW. Let me go look!

ETA: CLongo!!!

 

[Best of What's Around]

Each of them confessed to killing their pregnant wife and blamed their wives for killing their children??

Neil Entwistle tried to blame his wife as did Christian Longo for the deaths of their children. Moreover, both changed their stories more than once, like CW. Blaming it on their wives was their court story in both cases, and both lost. Longo later admitted he did it all from in prison.

 

[Thepoet]

In the case of the Lemak children, their mother didn't display any serious signs of mental illness prior to their murders or their physician father would have intervened. In the Hoggle case, the mother was alone with the children by her own parents.

Just because NUA hasn't publicly said she was concerned about SW's mental health doesn't mean she was not concerned and did not express her concerns to LE. I think LE responded so quickly--and involved the FBI-- because there was genuine fear SW would harm the children.
It is not illegal for a custodial parent to take their children from their home. The FBI only gets involved if it believes the children have been kidnapped and the children are a "tender age."

Investigating Child Abductions — FBI

The Lemak and Hoggle cases involve women who waited until no one was around to commit the murders. Lemak called 911 afterwards.

The FBI was called after CW lied to LE and pretended Shanann was missing. There is zero evidence that NUA was concerned for anything except the well being of SW and her children. Just because NUA hasn't publicly said anything about CW being a danger to SW and the children doesn't mean she might not have been concerned.

 

[NuttMegg]

That's not what I said.

Although unlikely, I think it's plausible he was telling the truth.
We know SW went though a divorce previously and she was able to get through it and build a new life. However, being pregnant, having 2 toddlers, finding out your husband is cheating and going through a second divorce would likely make any woman feel overwhelmed. At this point and with what we know I don't think it's off the wall to think the possibility is there.
jmo

Maybe CW was overwhelmed because he didn't already have the experience of a divorce, and Shan'nan's indifference to his leaving, and one of his APs possibly breaking it off with him a day or 2 earlier (IMO) pushed him over the edge. He must have been overwhelmed when it sank in that he would most likely have to support 3 kids for many many years. A thought like that could push any cheater guy over the cliff. And losing one of the APs...(IMO) that is SOME STRESS.

 

[Best of What's Around]

That's not what I said.

Although unlikely, I think it's plausible he was telling the truth.
We know SW went though a divorce previously and she was able to get through it and build a new life. However, being pregnant, having 2 toddlers, finding out your husband is cheating and going through a second divorce would likely make any woman feel overwhelmed. At this point and with what we know I don't think it's off the wall to think the possibility is there.
jmo

If he loved his children, why didn't he call 911 when he was seconds away from seeing them actively strangled? He didn't care enough?