Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #44

[ZsaZsa]

You know I pondered the defense statement when they said (paraphrasing) Go ahead and release the autopsy reports, our client isn't going to get a fair trial anyway - if the reason was that the reports were so damning, if they in fact showed sexual abuse, that they knew at that moment they were sunk....? Could they even try to overcome evidence like that? Wouldn't that start them trying to negotiate a plea?

 

[Colorado303]

I agree. I think there are joint task forces between local, state and feds that handle child for that very reason. The internet crosses state lines. JMO

So maybe when they searched the home they found evidence of child , and that's why they called in the FBI. If that's what happened, I hope they found featuring other children instead of BW and CW. It would be even more awful if we found out CW was taking pictures of the girls and peddling them online.

 

[MyBelle]

Some people think she could have been responsible for killing her kids.

If that was the case, would not reporting something like that really be crossing some line?

Something like suspected child abuse? I think not reporting suspicions absolutely does cross the line and it's why there are laws about mandated reporters. Teachers are born with eagle eyes, god bless 'em. JMO

 

[Colorado303]

You know I pondered the defense statement when they said (paraphrasing) Go ahead and release the autopsy reports, our client isn't going to get a fair trial anyway - if the reason was that the reports were so damning, if they in fact showed sexual abuse, that they knew at that moment they were sunk....? Could they even try to overcome evidence like that? Wouldn't that start them trying to negotiate a plea?

Would evidence that the girls had been sexually abused fit the ex-parte, HIPAA request? Just curious.

 

[MyBelle]

So maybe when they searched the home they found evidence of child , and that's why they called in the FBI. If that's what happened, I hope they found featuring other children instead of BW and CW. It would be even more awful if we found out CW was taking pictures of the girls and peddling them online.

Local cops can investigate child without calling in the feds. I also think CW would have immediately been charged for the when it was found. JMO

 

[MassGuy]

Something like suspected child abuse? I think not reporting suspicions absolutely does cross the line and it's why there are laws about mandated reporters. Teachers are born with eagle eyes, god bless 'em. JMO

Gotcha. So child abuse she would report because it’s the right thing to do (absolutely agree).

But she could murder her kids, because....why exactly?

 

[MCDRAW]

You know I pondered the defense statement when they said (paraphrasing) Go ahead and release the autopsy reports, our client isn't going to get a fair trial anyway - if the reason was that the reports were so damning, if they in fact showed sexual abuse, that they knew at that moment they were sunk....? Could they even try to overcome evidence like that? Wouldn't that start them trying to negotiate a plea?

I can not even begin to understand the defenses statement. Not everyone keeps up with crimes. My husband only knows about this case because I have talked about it. I keep hoping there will be a plea deal but I believe that will only have a chance of happening if the death penalty is on the table. Or if his family talks him into it. JMO

 

[JDough]

I know from friends that their husbands continued to have sex with them while also having an affair and they all used birth control. As soon as the wives found out about the affair, they left the husbands and divorced.

That said, I don't know that CW wanted another child. For all I know, he may have thought SW was using birth control. He didn't look happy in the video she posted when she informed him. JMO

With all due respect; a married couple discusses birth control. If CW was concerned about the possibility of pregnancy, he could have very easily used it himself. He did not.

We also do not know that CW was against having another child. (There has never been any indication of this- unless, of course, one were to believe the posts on social media, after SW was murdered). We do, however, have an indication that he did- and he wanted a son. Prior to the strangulation of SW by her husband, she indicated (video) how happy she was that CW had convinced her to have another child together.

 

[MyBelle]

You know I pondered the defense statement when they said (paraphrasing) Go ahead and release the autopsy reports, our client isn't going to get a fair trial anyway - if the reason was that the reports were so damning, if they in fact showed sexual abuse, that they knew at that moment they were sunk....? Could they even try to overcome evidence like that? Wouldn't that start them trying to negotiate a plea?

I think the defense was referring to the leaks and the court's refusal to order an investigation. Sexual abuse is difficult to prove in a child that young if they can't be forensically interviewed, and these children can't. I don't believe SW would have stayed with CW if she suspected it. JMO

 

[Seattle1]

I think FBI also handles child because it so often crosses state lines.

I agree. I think there are joint task forces between local, state and feds that handle child for that very reason. The internet crosses state lines. JMO

FBI is responsible for "cyber crime" which includes all internet. FBI has a very long arm when it comes to violent crimes against children/online predators.
Violent Crimes Against Children/Online Predators — FBI

 

[Deleted member 182072]

Since SW was the dominant partner in the marriage, it makes it far less likely she would have tolerated any form of abuse to her precious daughters, IMO.

Frederick man had climbed from deep financial troubles to apparent prosperity

In another Facebook posting, Shanann described her fear of sending one of her daughters into the real world.​

"The world is a scary place. I will do everything in my power to teach her right and to protect her, advocate, stand up for her and defend her! I pray everyday that she never feels any less than the rest of the world. I pray that she's protected when I'm not around to protect her! Nothing or no one will stop me," she wrote.​

I believe she would have protected them with her life from any and all harm at home as well that would have been known to her, which absolutely would have included their father. JMO

 

[ZsaZsa]

Not difficult to prove if the physical evidence is there. Abuse happens to babies too.
A gynecologist could easily confirm this.

 

[MyBelle]

Gotcha. So child abuse she would report because it’s the right thing to do (absolutely agree).

But she could murder her kids, because....why exactly?

It's called the Medusa Complex after Greek mythology. Women kill their children after they learn there is another woman. The murders are purely for revenge and to punish the husband and father in an emotion that overrides the mother's love for the children. She has no intention of "sharing" the children with another woman and would rather kill them than share them.

Marilyn Lemak killed her children because she found an email from David's new girlfriend and it said she looked forward to meeting the children that weekend. Marilyn made sure that meeting never took place. David later married the woman and had a child with her but he was obviously emotionally devastated by the loss of his three children. JMO

 

[The 13th]

My granddaughter's was immediately recognized by her pediatrician and reported because she was a mandated reporter. I have no doubt SW would have immediately reported her suspicions at least to the children's pediatrician. JMO

I'm sorry that happened to your granddaughter and glad that in her case it was caught and stopped. Has nothing to do, unfortunately, with how it usually goes.

 

[MCDRAW]

So maybe when they searched the home they found evidence of child , and that's why they called in the FBI. If that's what happened, I hope they found featuring other children instead of BW and CW. It would be even more awful if we found out CW was taking pictures of the girls and peddling them online.

I think the FBI was called in because her vehicle with car seats was in the garage. Her purse was on the counter with her keys, they found her phone in the couch, and their medication was there. There was also a long period of time since anyone had heard from them. I am guessing that CW's behavior also sent a red flag. I'm just guessing, of course.

 

[MyBelle]

With all due respect; a married couple discusses birth control. If CW was concerned about the possibility of pregnancy, he could have very easily used it himself. He did not.

We also do not know that CW was against having another child. (There has never been any indication of this- unless, of course, one were to believe the posts on social media, after SW was murdered). We do, however, have an indication that he did- and he wanted a son. Prior to the strangulation of SW by her husband, she indicated (video) how happy she was that CW had convinced her to have another child together.

A married couple does discuss birth control and if a husband believes his wife is using birth control pills, he isn't going to use birth control himself.

SW implied they were using birth control because she chose to wear a t-shirt that said "oops." An
oops usually happens when birth control is used and it isn't effective. I had one and she now has had three and using a different method of birth control.

I doubt CW was thrilled or even happy with a third child. JMO

 

[MassGuy]

A married couple does discuss birth control and if a husband believes his wife is using birth control pills, he isn't going to use birth control himself.

SW implied they were using birth control because she chose to wear a t-shirt that said "oops." An
oops usually happens when birth control is used and it isn't effective. I had one and she now has had three and using a different method of birth control.

I doubt CW was thrilled or even happy with a third child. JMO

Or any of them...

 

[k-mac]

Yes, good question. WHEN would that have happened that she wrote a suicide note? While he was downstairs for a moment? Before or after she strangled her little girls?

And whoever received that suicide note--did they call 911 to try and prevent her from killing herself?

so going along with the hypothetical suicide letter....why would chris feel compelled to kill her if she was prepared to kill herself anyway???

sorry tippylyn but I find "throwing' that random idea with zero evidence disrespectful to shananns life and memory.
somethings are just too left field to contemplate and put unjust/unfair seeds of thought into the realm that suddenly someone will be saying there was a suicide note because there are all these posts here wasting energy grasping at elusive suggestions.

lets work with facts. facts are good.

jmo

 

[Charlot123]

Lemak told her husband she was afraid she'd hurt the children and he told her she was a good mother. That exchange wasn't immediately prior to the murders and was in the link I posted previously as well as multiple news articles. Once he started dating, Lemak made multiple disparaging comments about her husband. She also filed for divorce twice. She was a woman who was bitter her husband found another love and to the end she wanted control and to manipulate.

I believe Lemak's friends and husband had a better handle on the realities and so did the jury and judge. The friends and husband are not to blame. Lemak is a cold-blooded family annihilator. She phoned 911 the day AFTER she murdered her children to save herself. I believe that SW possibly killed her children. If that is the case, it would not be a case of family annihilation, it would be the same thing Lemak did which was to destroy her children to punish her husband. So, yes, we'll agree to disagree. JMO

Yes, but Lemak was the sole killer. In fact, her story confirms the theory of the sole killer - CW. Lemak being a woman does not change the situation.

I wonder how often do we have both parents involved in killing of the children? And how often after the children are killed, one of the parents is killed, too? Or how often it is a dad and a stepmother who are the annihilators? Vs a mother and a stepfather? Has anyone read of such cases? How common are they?

Also - the more people will be insisting on alternative versions, the more I shall be asking myself if anyone else was in the house besides SW. CW had many affairs. Some other confounding factors may be present. Why blame SW who was away instead of looking at his partners? All of them?

Human mind is an interesting thing. The more people are asking us to look at alternative versions, the more I do so. Asking myself if indeed there could be two killers in the house? Since people offer to look at it from another angle. I try to. But none of my alternative versions includes SW.

Someone could be in that house, because after all, CW was with the girls for two days. SW and Dieter are above any suspicions. Of other people, I don’t know enough.

 

[mrjitty]

Local cops can investigate child without calling in the feds. I also think CW would have immediately been charged for the when it was found. JMO

Exactly.

That would be a free gift to the prosecution and he would have been charged.

 

[MassGuy]

Yes, but Lemak was the sole killer. In fact, her story confirms the theory of the sole killer - CW. Lemak being a woman does not change the situation.

I wonder how often do we have both parents involved in killing of the children? And how often after the children are killed, one of the parents is killed, too? Or how often it is a dad and a stepmother who are the annihilators? Vs a mother and a stepfather? Has anyone read of such cases? How common are they?

Also - the more people will be insisting on alternative versions, the more I shall be asking myself if anyone else was in the house besides SW. CW had many affairs. Some other confounding factors may be present.

Human mind is an interesting thing. The more people are asking us to look at alternative versions, the more I do so. Asking myself if indeed there could be two killers in the house? Since people offer to look at it from another angle. I try to. But none of my alternative versions includes SW.

Someone could be in that house, because after all, CW was with the girls for two days. SW and Dieter are above any suspicions. Of other people, I don’t know enough.

Statistically, family annihilators are overwhelmingly male, and they act on their own.

Women do this far less often, and almost always have severe and documented episodes of mental instability (police calls, DCF, involuntary committals).