Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #44

[katydid23]

A mother can usually tell when her children are being sexually abused at that age because they are verbal. My granddaughter's verbal comments were all it took for her pediatrician to immediately order a forensic sexual abuse examination. The last thing a mother would do is give the children to the abuser for the weekend. JMO

True, they are old enough to speak up.

The girls had been away from their home and from being alone their father for 6 weeks. Then they spent the weekend alone with him.

Maybe he acted out that weekend, and when SW arrived home, her crying daughter spilled the ugly beans?

 

[MyBelle]

No.

Childhood sexual abuse is vastly underreported and unrecognized.

My granddaughter's was immediately recognized by her pediatrician and reported because she was a mandated reporter. I have no doubt SW would have immediately reported her suspicions at least to the children's pediatrician. JMO

 

[gitana1]

It's odd to me that it seems to be considered a "possibility" and some "wouldn't be surprised" that Shanann had left a threatening digital footprint or suicide note and decided to strangle her little girls literally hours before an exciting ultrasound appointment... I'd think if she was in that space of not caring anymore, she wouldn't have made that appointment, and wouldn't have made plans with her friend for that day, and also wouldn't have told her friend she'd be needing her "more than ever".

If we're going to allow throwing out any and all possibilities purely based on feelings and pure speculation, why not discuss the possibility that Chris may eventually tell the actual truth that his AP was there that night, that her/him and Shanann had a confrontation and the AP ended up killing all of them and he just panicked and tried to cover for them because they are the soul mate he's never had? I mean... The evidence shows he had an AP, so... It's a possibility, right? Maybe this status conference is to announce new charges against the AP!!! There's just so much we don't know, and a lot more is going to come to light that will change everything, right?!?

In all seriousness, though, I respect the right of some members to hold onto small shreds of hope and possibilities that this man didn't do what he's accused of because it's just too horrific and unbelievable (more horrific than Chris' story I guess? And too hard to believe, even though he fits a very specific profile, very specifically?), But I do think it's a bit much to just throw out random "possibilities" that have no basis in the known facts of the case just because they "could" mean he's actually telling the truth now, even though he lied out the wazzo right up until he had evidence right in front of his face that he'd been found out.

All JMO, of course. I have every confidence the more time goes on the less we'll hear of these theories and possibilities that Shanann really was the evil, abusive, child killing, crazy jealous wife Chris is portraying her to be. It's really too bad she isn't here to actually tell the story from her view. And those precious little girls, either.

Apparently, any lurid insinuation about SW is okay without backing. But any mention of possible wrongdoing on the part of CW is gross speculation and grasping at straws.

My head is just spinning here with this.

What a mess.

 

[NuttMegg]

FWIW - I haven't watched any of the Scott Reish Youtube videos - I don't even know who he is.

Then where are you getting your possibility that she wrote a digital goodbye letter that cw might not have seen?

 

[PrimeSuspect]

FWIW - I haven't watched any of the Scott Reish Youtube videos - I don't even know who he is.

Ahh ok, must be on the same page then. @maeleemae has posted his videos in this thread.

 

[human]

As I stated. His face was inches away from their faces with his hands around their necks strangling the life out of them.

And as I stated when you posted this before, there must have been some light in the girl's rooms otherwise the monitors would be ineffective and show nothing but a black room.

He saw their faces turning blue while his hands were around their throats. jmo

The last time I saw a baby monitor was five years ago so I think things have changed.

Think about a security system. It does not need exterior light to work. When it senses motion, a blue light comes on and records whatever is happening. At night, it is black and greys. In the da.ytime, it is in color.

I do not think baby monitors need any light to function. I,think they have their own

 

[Colorado303]

Do you think that is why the prosecution wants to keep the autopsies sealed? I'm wondering. It is something that would be very inflammatory for a fair trial, so it fits. IMO

Yes! I hadn't thought about it before but just like CW contracting AIDS from an AP would give him a motive for the crime, so would fear it would be discovered he was molesting them. Perhaps when SW came home she found him doing something terrible and she threatened to call the police. Or perhaps CW was so rough abusing one of the girls that she would need medical assistance and he would be exposed. Of course this is only speculation and I'm not saying I believe he did those things, but it would provide a motive--one of the few that actually would make sense. Certainly more sense than SW strangling them because of a marital spat.

 

[PommyMommy]

yes, it also says the children had medication that was not missing so evidently they had some health issues which would be reason to call in the FBI. JMO

FBI Criminal Resource Manual ~ see Section 1035. Nothing about medications.
Criminal Resource Manual 1001-1099

 

[MassGuy]

My granddaughter's was immediately recognized by her pediatrician and reported because she was a mandated reporter. I have no doubt SW would have immediately reported her suspicions at least to the children's pediatrician. JMO

Some people think she could have been responsible for killing her kids.

If that was the case, would not reporting something like that really be crossing some line?

“She strangled her kids to death but would definitely have reported any abuse,” doesn’t seem to jibe.

 

[LittleFleurDeLys]

It's especially hard for me to understand how any parent that actually loves and has a normal bond with their kids can look at him speak on the porch that next day, look at this face as he talks, at his demeanor, consider that presentation knowing he quickly disposed of the bodies of his little girls the day before, instead of calling 911, and not go, "Oh yeah. He's guilty."

It's also so confusing how the same people who can bash SW for te way she interacted with her children on video, but see no problem at all with how SW treated his children after they were dead.

I'm baffled.

I found a old video of my husband, our son and me recently. We were sitting in a train. Our son was a few months old an my husband was feeding him a banana and at some point my son took a great bite and than spit it out. And I was like: "Oh my god... why didn't you watch him better? He could have choked!!" I was totally overreacting!!
And I'm sure - If I should ever get in Shannan's position and videotapes like this would reach the public, people would also call me a bad mother/wife, claim that I didn't feed my child and I was just a fury. No wonder my husband couldn't bear any second longer with me...
This thought went just straight to my mind.

Those people who judge her better watch what they put online. If something like this happends to them as well they will be judged as well - because (at some point) we are all on the same boat. We are humans, we make mistakes, we are not reacting always like we are "supposed" to but that doesn't mean we deserve to get killed or that our action could explain why got killed by someone!

 

[MyBelle]

I think FBI also handles child because it so often crosses state lines.

I agree. I think there are joint task forces between local, state and feds that handle child for that very reason. The internet crosses state lines. JMO

 

[MCDRAW]

It's especially hard for me to understand how any parent that actually loves and has a normal bond with their kids can look at him speak on the porch that next day, look at this face as he talks, at his demeanor, consider that presentation knowing he quickly disposed of the bodies of his little girls the day before, instead of calling 911, and not go, "Oh yeah. He's guilty."

It's also so confusing how the same people who can bash SW for te way she interacted with her children on video, but see no problem at all with how SW treated his children after they were dead.

I'm baffled.

His behavior during that interview, baffles me, especially since his defense is he killed her because he saw her killing the girls. He cared so much, he laughed, knowing they were dead.

 

[NuttMegg]

My granddaughter's was immediately recognized by her pediatrician and reported because she was a mandated reporter. I have no doubt SW would have immediately reported her suspicions at least to the children's pediatrician. JMO

There wouldnt have been time if she learned about it that weekend.

 

[Colorado303]

Well, we don't know what we don't know. And maybe there was a reason he wanted their bodies to be soaking in crude oil. Over time, that would do a lot of damage.

And SW did used to work the night shift, leaving Dad home alone with the girl's overnight.

We do need to be open to any possibilities, right?

Right!

 

[Johnny1181]

yes, it also says the children had medication that was not missing so evidently they had some health issues which would be reason to call in the FBI. JMO

Link and explanation please? This isn't making sense to me. Prob my error but what are you referencing?

 

[bonjoviblonde]

This whole case has felt like victim bashing to me. People took the word of a killer and ran with it. It almost feels like he is off limits but she is fair game. JMO

ITA. This case is one of the oddest and most disturbing I've followed. It's bizarro world.

 

[human]

I found a old video of my husband, our son and me recently. We were sitting in a train. Our son was a few months old an my husband was feeding him a banana and at some point my son took a great bite and than spit it out. And I was like: "Oh my god... why didn't you watch him better? He could have choked!!" I was totally overreacting!!
And I'm sure - If I should ever get in Shannan's position and videotapes like this would reach the public, people would also call me a bad mother/wife, claim that I didn't feed my child and I was just a fury. No wonder my husband couldn't bear any second longer with me...
This thought went just straight to my mind.

Those people who judge her better watch what they put online. If something like this happends to them as well they will be judged as well - because (at some point) we are all on the same boat. We are humans, we make mistakes, we are not reacting always like we are "supposed" to but that doesn't mean we deserve to get killed or that our action could explain why got killed by someone!

I do not think I would put anything like that out on a video. What would be the point?

 

[Johnny1181]

Night for real. That one did me in. Shine like Shannan. As always jmo

 

[MCDRAW]

I know from friends that their husbands continued to have sex with them while also having an affair and they all used birth control. As soon as the wives found out about the affair, they left the husbands and divorced.

That said, I don't know that CW wanted another child. For all I know, he may have thought SW was using birth control. He didn't look happy in the video she posted when she informed him. JMO

Anyone that really doesn't want any more children doesn't leave birth control to someone else. IMO

 

[margarita25]

I think FBI also handles child because it so often crosses state lines.

(Child Victim Assistance (CPVA)

Violent Crimes Against Children/Online Predators — FBI

Citizen's Guide To U.S. Federal Law On Child

ICAC Task Force
Home

OIG Audit Report 09-08

US DOJ
Report a Crime

Crimes against children / Crimes against children / Crime areas / Internet / Home - INTERPOL

Child Exploitation Investigations Unit )