Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #6

[Tess Elizabeth]

I think he strangled the girls with the pillowcases. Roll up the long way, put around neck and pull the ends tight. I think this is why they won’t find his DNA on their necks.

Oh no. What if you’re right?!?

 

[mtnlites]

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It is extremely difficult to live with a chronic illness, and more difficult still, an illness that isn't visible to others, and way way more difficult, to be chronically ill while a mother of young children.

Being chronically ill and married, and married with children, is for many if not most in that situation a source of GUILT. Guilt for not being 100% there and capable, guilt for being a burden, guilt for being the one to have to be taken care of, rather than the one taking care of everyone else.

For many in that situation, a husband wanting to leave would more likely cause additional feelings of guilt or self-blame or even despair, perhaps, but no, no, no, not rage, much less a rage so intense as to want to murder one's own babies. No.

Right on. For those of us with chronic illnesses, especially progressive and degenerative ones, the guilt of not being a great friend/partner/parent and the burden that we feel we're being on those around us, mean we regularly find ourselves feeling depressed. Thoughts of self-harm DO occasionally come up in my support groups. However, in all the years I've been at this and all the people who I've known with similar problems, I've never heard of anyone raging to the point of wanting to harm anyone else, especially their children. During the few times that I've gone into those really dark places it's always been more of a "my kids would lead better lives if I wasn't here" kind of a thing-NEVER "I would have a better life without my kids." Gosh, it's pretty much our kids that make us want to keep trying and make us want to get up in the morning.

Before my current career path, I was a family therapist and I worked with families in crisis. Whether I was working with a mother with an addiction or a father with cancer, the underlying motivation to keep chugging along was always the same: I need to do better for my children's sake because they deserve the best.

A mother who was so concerned about her daughter's peanut allergy that she wouldn't let the other one have anything with nuts and threatened to cut off a grandparent for not understanding is not a mother who would turn around murder her kids and desecrate their bodies.

 

[Layla123]

Apples & oranges, or even, apples and rutabagas, or maybe most apt, apples and fish tacos.

Jury nullification versus probable jury revulsion, just for starters.

I hope you’re right.

 

[Francesca]

Wouldn’t she have screamed? Wouldn’t the neighbors have heard? Why didn’t the affidavit say Shannan’s COD was strangulation?

He's covered himself there - he did say they had an emotional conversation, so clearly he knows he has to explain why Shanann was being particularly loud at one point and the neighbors might have heard.

 

[Annlove]

Just reposting - someone asked about posting screenshots.

Thank you sm. I didn't feel right posting it. Glad I didn't.

 

[ClockworkLemon]

I think he strangled the girls with the pillowcases. Roll up the long way, put around neck and pull the ends tight. I think this is why they won’t find his DNA on their necks.

Sadly, this is a very likely scenario

 

[KathrynL]

Given that he tried to blame this on Shannan, does anyone think he would take a plea deal?

And does anyone think he would be offered one?

*honest, not sarcastic*

I think it's very possible they would offer one. The wild card is whether this defendant would take it. If he believes he could snow a jury, then he would insist on a trial. moo

 

[Hope4More]

IF she came through the door, kicked off her shoes, placed her purse on the island in the kitchen, headed for the stairs (leaving her suitcase at the bottom for Chris to carry up), proceeded to kiss the girls hello/goodnight (IF they were still alive), then she was accosted by Chris in the "loft" as she left their room...losing her phone in the scuffle on the couch(to be found by police later...thank God he didn't find it first)...she was probably strangled in that loft room (possibly AFTER telling her he wanted out). He grabbed a sheet to wrap her in from his bed.

IF the girls weren't already deceased, they may have awakened at the noise....too horrific to imagine...he would have silenced them at that time...

It would probably have all been over by 2:30 - 3:30 or so (depending on the length of their so-called emotional conversation and depending on what he did to the girls). I don't recall reading if the little girls beds were made...his were completely stripped. What did he do in the time that was left before 5:15? He had to back the truck up, carry three bodies down the stairs and out to the garage.

I guess the DEVIL is in the details. And, that night, he surely was.

This case has got to be one of the worst ones I've come across in a long time. May they rest in peace.

I have a feeling the phone is going to be an important piece of evidence. I don't think he found it either, and didn't have the time to look for it before LE arrived.

 

[pocketaccent]

So what do you all think about the bedding evidence in the affidavit, namely, that pillowcases and a sheet were found in the kitchen trash can? And a matching sheet was found by drone lying in a oilfield near the body hiding spot?

He took stupidity to a whole new level.

 

[zencompass]

A lesser narcissist can’t control their rages. Have zero empathy or guilt.
Feel entitled to cheat & lie. Think of their spouse & kids as merely appliances to give them adoration fuel. When they are done with you,
usually because they have found a new (fuel source)person. It’s over.
I speak from experience.

Dear BeachSky,

So sorry to hear that you went through such a terrible and frightening time with the rages.

I am very glad that "it's over" and you and your children are safe.

I've been hearing so many women speak about their experiences living with a narcissist who has rage behavior.

How many of them are out there, I wonder? It truly is a scary thought. I feel so frightened and sad for all of them. I wish them great hope and success to get away from these monsters.

Anyway, I am so glad you are here with us.

 

[Mariposa]

Wouldn’t she have screamed? Wouldn’t the neighbors have heard? Why didn’t the affidavit say Shannan’s COD was strangulation?

I think there is no COD in the affidavit because the ME autopsy report isn't final yet.

 

[The Saint]

on that archived thing last thread

(small font)

he reports that he could never run before because of his ankle and shins

who is gonna real believe that green coffee beans fixes ankles ??

it sure reads like an ad for thrive

" I am taking my thrive experience to the next LeVal"

really

thats him?

thrive is mentioned in every one 5-9 times

but clicking around on it

it is incredible

it is truly like a cult !

So many of them are like the standard pictures in photo albums on the shelf! (youngins - photo album is like a book where old people like myself stuck in pictures ! Pictures - like your cell phone screen but on large paper!) ha

on that archives thing all those pound things - do you create each one there were tons of them after each thing someone wrote on there?

 

[RavenCC2020]

He threw away a bed sheet in the kitchen trash can according to the Affidavit. That was his idea of getting rid of evidence. No, he isn't clever, and yes I agree he probably didn't make a list to stage the scene.

We have to remember he thought he had later that afternoon and evening to clean up the crime scene. Nicole screw it up for him YAY Nicole. He had to go to work because if he didn't and she went missing it would point right to him. So had to work his shift then home to do clean up. That BS story about him telling her he was to seperate was probably part of his plan. If she had not come home that night (which of course she wouldn't because she was dead) he could tell cops well I really wasn't surprised when she didn't come home because we were going to seperate and she went to a friends. I thought she probably stayed there for the night. That gives him even MORE time to clean up.

 

[jodiele]

I think everything he says is projection. what if she came home and saw him on the baby monitor?

 

[Ag33]

Why was her phone between the cushions in the sofa in another room? She got home very late. She wouldn’t call friends to chat at 2 am. Did Chris hide her phone? I wonder if she called him earlier to let him know she’d be late.

I believe he set it up that way. Her suitcase was still at the bottom of the stairs. I think she walked in to find her babies dead and he got her from behind with a chord or something to be sure to keep her quiet.

 

[Tiny]

Lots to catch up due to the time difference here in England...
The constant question is why? How did the perp think he would get away with it. Time and time again, I don’t understand how criminals think they wouldn’t be caught.
I feel so much sadness for Shanann’s family. To lose one family me,her is gut wrenching, but four? In such an unfathomable, cruel way? God bless them all.

 

[Whiteorchids]

Livestream is the only type that I have seen.

Ok thanks wasn’t sure if it live-streamed and saved the video.

 

[The Saint]

on that archived thing last thread

(small font)

he reports that he could never run before because of his ankle and shins

who is gonna real believe that green coffee beans fixes ankles ??

it sure reads like an ad for thrive

" I am taking my thrive experience to the next LeVal"

really

thats him?

thrive is mentioned in every one 5-9 times

but clicking around on it

it is incredible

it is truly like a cult !

So many of them are like the standard pictures in photo albums on the shelf! (youngins - photo album is like a book where old people like myself stuck in pictures ! Pictures - like your cell phone screen but on large paper!) ha

on that archives thing all those pound things - do you create each one there were tons of them after each thing someone wrote on there?

They copy and paste the #hashtags. I have a feeling that CW was hitting on the women who ran in his local nike club and other scheduled runs.

 

[Dee Deforest]

I'm just now catching up on all the news that happened today... I'm not the least bit surprised he's saying she strangled her children. That's why he kept asking about the DNA.. He's such a narcissist grandiose liar ...that I'm betting he actually believes that he can convince everyone that she killed her children. Just so disturbing on so many levels.

 

[katie565]

This is on Nightline tonight.
New things:

The kids beds were NOT made. Not sure where all of us got that they were made

CW said to Nickole, “I just want to cry.” She looked at him and said, “Why aren’t you?” That’s the last time she spoke with him.

Interesting. If you can still catch it where you live, turn it on

 

[ClockworkLemon]

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It is extremely difficult to live with a chronic illness, and more difficult still, an illness that isn't visible to others, and way way more difficult, to be chronically ill while a mother of young children.

Being chronically ill and married, and married with children, is for many if not most in that situation a source of GUILT. Guilt for not being 100% there and capable, guilt for being a burden, guilt for being the one to have to be taken care of, rather than the one taking care of everyone else.

For many in that situation, a husband wanting to leave would more likely cause additional feelings of guilt or self-blame or even despair, perhaps, but no, no, no, not rage, much less a rage so intense as to want to murder one's own babies. No.

Yes! So, I actually have Lupus and I’m married and I have a three year old, I’m also in my 40’s and I can say that you are spot on!