CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #8

[chi123]

NO.

Please stop sleuthing this or the thread will get shut down

Nobody is named or even hinted at in that article, the thread will not get shut down. They're not sleuthing the mistress.

Im pretty sure the article and website is nonsense and the tinder thing is made up, so it should be deleted for that reason.

 

[Boodles]

I almost feel like the defense team is here trying to see how the public aka jury would react if went with this or that.

It wouldn’t be the first time...

 

[heed101]

Just to re-iterate, I'm not a CW supporter and I don't want to come across that I believe his story or that I'm "rooting" for him. I also don't want people to think I'm blaming the victim. Me saying that she was brainwashed by the MLM scheme isn't blaming the victim at all. It's a general consensus here that MLM will not make you rich and its a sort of cult. Does spending too much money mean you deserve death? No. Could it have been a motivating factor in the murder? Yes. I'm just stating my opinion.

Maybe CW was telling SW she had to make more $$ and they both got hooked on the MLM. Instead of killing his whole family, he could have walked away. It sounds like HE made most of the bad choices.

 

[Deleted member 229213]

Financial issues can make a spouse SNAP.

I know... That spouse is a weak individual without a solid spiritual foundation that is driven by the wrong things. It is not a justifiable excuse and never will be. I get that it happens all the time and it just more proof that we are a misguided materialistic society that needs to readjust our morals and values (entirely different conversation lol) Money is not an excuse for murder and it happens all the time. I watch enough ID channel to get that money is always a motive but I will never understand it. He could have simply left SW, let her move back to NC with the girls, sell the house, get his own apartment and move on, normal people that are not psychopaths do it all the time. It really is that simple. He made things WAY MORE COMPLICATED then they need to be. IMO.

 

[Hotbell312]

Hadn't seen this 3rd video of CW

When he states not knowing where she is, his eyes do a blink and look down. Must not have been a poker player ever.

 

[bluesneakers]

Stimulants will make you more socially outgoing.

You said he was still "shy Chris." I'm not so sure.

Even if he was still shy his new look might have been getting noticed by others who were outgoing.

 

[Sleutherfly]

I just now really starting going through her FB and lots of live video's. I'm currently into 2017, if you have time I'd recommend watching.

When did she start Thrive? I want to see videos before then for comparison.

 

[bluesneakers]

When did she start Thrive? I want to see videos before then for comparison.

I don't know the exact date, maybe three years ago? But if you scroll back on her instagram you can see photos from before she started. I don't see a difference in her but there's a noticeable difference in him. There are also photos of him working out but she claims to not exercise.

 

[cottonweaver]

I just now really starting going through her FB and lots of live video's. I'm currently into 2017, if you have time I'd recommend watching.

I've never looked at her FB- I swore I'd never go back to using it after all the data issues. Am kind of tempted though.

I'm on Crime HLN - I doubt it's MSM though @Herat, even though their stuff has also been posted here a few times across various threads. ( See what I'm saying)

Anyway, Crime HLN is noting that all past conversations may have been recorded and I can't imagine CW finding the time to delete months of old conversations - which may have recorded arguments and some such.
Anyone know when SW bought her Echo?

 

[ethoma12002]

When did she start Thrive? I want to see videos before then for comparison.

I went through her pics all the way to to the first. It seems maybe she didn't use Facebook before Thrive, or that it was private before. Because the pics kind of ended (began) on Thrive stuff - from what I could tell.

 

[cottonweaver]

When did she start Thrive? I want to see videos before then for comparison.

Jan 2016 iirc

 

[cottonweaver]

I went through her pics all the way to to the first. It seems maybe she didn't use Facebook before Thrive, or that it was private before. Because the pics kind of ended (began) on Thrive stuff - from what I could tell.

She used Instagram before Thrive though so maybe she started a new FB account once she started Thrive - am only guessing but hunch is that they have guidelines on content. Hence new account to maintain positive/ new Thrive brand image?

 

[cybervampira]

Hadn't seen this 3rd video of CW

Ugh, there‘s that grin on his face again. If you turn off the volume and watch the video, he looks like someone who just beat Usain Bolt and is excited about receiving the gold medal any moment!

 

[Deleted member 229213]

HLN Ashleigh Banfield is covering this case nightly from 6pm-8pm est. and its on currently they are discussing the affair.

 

[Bill Carson]

You said he was still "shy Chris." I'm not so sure.

Even if he was still shy his new look might have been getting noticed by others who were outgoing.

Well, it was the neighbors/friends who described him as "shy Chris." They spent lots of time with the Watts. They knew him very well. But maybe they didn't see his dark side.

Here's a link to the video. They talk about his personality not changing at about the 25:25 mark.

 

[SuziQ]

It wouldn’t be the first time...

gotta watch for incoming spaghetti.

 

[NCTeacher]

On the last thread, someone mentioned it's possible that SW did sleep before she was killed. Now, that I think about it, that actually makes the most sense. Why else would you kill at 2 am, not stage anything, and leave 3 hours later in such haste that you leave her purse, meds, and a sheet at the disposal site--all of which screams rush, rush, rush.

Maybe SW was convinced of his cheating, told him she was leaving (emotional convo) and taking the kids to a friend's house the next day, and went to sleep in the loft. Maybe he couldn't go to sleep, fumed and fumed, and just upped and killed them all-- closer to 5. Maybe he woke her up again and she was trying to get the kids up to leave (why keys were in car)-- and that's when he lost it.

 

[cottonweaver]

HLN Ashleigh Banfield is covering this case nightly from 6pm-8pm est. and its on currently they are discussing the affair.

Is Crime HLN classed as msm Juniper?

 

[SuperTmo]

I 100% agree with you especially that he killed the girls after the party. I could see them getting home from the party and Cece driving him nuts and he had just had it...perhaps her murder was an accident. I definately think he killed Cece first, in his interviews he said called her rampage and said she was a terror always yelling and destroying things like her mother, would not be surprised at all if the autopsy shows not only strangulation but blunt force trauma (specifically for Cece) my intuition tells me she was the first to go...IMO he found killing easy, and enjoyed it and decided well heck I can do this to the rest of them too, then he killed Bella and he waited for Shanann to come home then killed her too. I don't think he was enraged though, I think he was oddly calm and calculated about it all. This man is a sicko. IMO he enjoyed every part of it, and he is going to make a terrible witness. Unemphatic, Unapologetic, Unemotional, devoid of any human emotion and lacking a sensitivity chip. I don't think he felt like he was in control of anything in his life and resented his family and decided to take the power back so to speak. Personally, I suspect CW will ever see the light of day again.

Absolutely! I definitely believe he didn’t like CeCe as much as Bella, if he liked either at all. I don’t think he was enraged or angry or anything but methodical as he killed them all. To him it was just another task to accomplish.

Feed the dog - check
Birthday party - check
Strip the bed - check
Kill the family - check
Hide the bodies - check
Go to work - check
Avoid pesky Nicole -
Hide all the evidence -

 

[Ikshar]

I've never looked at her FB- I swore I'd never go back to using it after all the data issues. Am kind of tempted though.

I'm on Crime HLN - I doubt it's MSM though @Herat, even though their stuff has also been posted here a few times across various threads. ( See what I'm saying)

Anyway, Crime HLN is noting that all past conversations may have been recorded and I can't imagine CW finding the time to delete months of old conversations - which may have recorded arguments and some such.
Anyone know when SW bought her Echo?

Also currently watching HLN showing some good video clips to watch him and a side by side of him in 2012 and him now... 50lbs lighter and much more tone