CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #9

[Deleted member 117120]

IF CW did witness SW murdering the girls and IF CW could not prevent SW from murdering both girls and IF he truly loved his daughters and wife, why would he not bury them together. At the very least put both girls together in the same burial spot so they would forever be together. In stead, he thought about himself only and made a choice based on what was best for him ~ separating the girls, minimizing the smell of decomposition and keeping the girls from their mother even in the end of their lives. If he had remorse or pain or loss feelings he would have kept them together.

 

[CARIIS]

CW and the children set up the doll while SW was out of town. It's in the comments and the post.

I am not sure if that is accurate.

Wasnt the comment something like I am not sure to make of this on HER account ?

why would he be posting on her account -

 

[Gingerbread7]

You do incite “emotion” in many of us (which I actually enjoy) lol but I still can’t decide if you’re working for the prosecution or the defense!

We don't know the past of either SW or CW. Wasn't SW previously married and divorced? We only know the personas that SW chose to cultivate on social media or with her friends. Watching CW's relationship video and comparing him to recent videos...I think SW cleaned him up and helped him create his look for Thrive. And all those family photos with the coordinated outfits...some outdoor photo shoots...those are expensive! Their house looks immaculate in the Facebook photos. NU said that SW has the beds made in the morning, and an immaculate, perfect house...ok. How is it possible with a 3 and 4 year old, lupus, and 4 months pregnant? Either that is real control over their home environment or they had a maid.

I don't work for the defense or offense. I came here seeing CW's guilt in early interviews. But the more I am looking at...I think CW had to live up to a lifestyle that was picture perfect, he looked sloppy and lazy before. I know that goes against the grain. I think CW's affair was a passive aggressive way to have some control of his own life.

 

[MCDRAW]

delete

 

[CFlo]

You can't delete posts when it becomes a legacy account.

Your legacy contact can't:

• Log into your account.
• Remove or change past posts, photos and other things shared on your timeline.
• Read your messages.
• Remove any of your friends or make new friend requests.
• Add a new legacy contact to your account.

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Do you work in technology or any SM app, including Facebook? I do and have since 2003.
I did not say they deleted, I said marked as private, and probably so due to this case. I apologize of you can’t see the difference in a legacy vs. rememberance account.

 

[Ronso]

This question came up last night and yes, there are a couple of statements - one from a friend of 4 years, I think, and another from one of his high school teachers. The articles should be in the media thread, which is linked on page 1.

A high school teacher from over 15 years ago (I'm assuming he graduated at 18) and a friend of 4 years (who we don't know if that friend has even been in their house or met the kids, do we?).

He didn't seem to have much of a social life, or really anybody to vouch for what a great upstanding guy he was other than people who were known to both him and SW.

I mean, my husband isn't the most social person in the world (far from it), but he has coworkers and friends who would definitely stand up and vouch for him if something were to happen to me and the kids. I think it's pretty telling that we aren't seeing this here.

 

[cottonweaver]

An account is not made into a legacy account until the family requests it. Any family member can log into it before then.

You need to charge a fee for that info Jennifer. #JustSaying

 

[Jennifer17]

I agree

four people living off his hard hard work week after week in the blazing sun

had to be hard

Lots of people work hard to support their families and not all of them men.

 

[BingoBongo]

Some of the posts re narcissism are hitting close to home for me. Within that last 2 years, I was swept off my feet and engaged, planning to sell my paid for home (MY HOME, not his), move out of the State, and was about to be coerced into buying an RV (and truck to tow it) so we could snowbird.

Now, I am not a stupid woman, nor young and naive. But, I was lonely and living in a new State (not where I grew up) with no family near, and few friends. I had almost given up the idea of ever meeting anyone. My bad, I allowed myself to be taken in my a narc who, I now believe, is also a sociopath. Little by little I began to see the light. He couldn't hide his true colors for ever, and his lies weren't adding up (they never had, but again, my bad, I glossed over some of the lies in the beginning...what can I say, he was nice to look at, fun and exciting...and he love bombed me to the extreme).

Once I began to really question him, trying to get clarification on some of the loose ends he presented that didn't make sense, I began to see the real deal, and it was UGLY, ANGRY, and right on the verge of VIOLENCE. And yet, there were those who thought he was mild mannered. He'd hoodwinked them just like he did me. In the beginning, I too painted a pretty picture to family and friends, the love bombing stage was glorious, and when it became obvious those bombs might be dangerous to me, for a bit, I was too embarrassed to divulge the truth to family and friends.

I wonder if she'd reached the point of truly seeing who he was, and began to lay her boundaries? NPD (narcissistic personality disorder aka antisocial personality disorder) can be very, very dangerous once the hurt party stands up for themselves, and "outs" the NPD's behavior. Looks up "narcissistic rage" and "narcissistic wound".

 

[DAdvocate]

IF CW did witness SW murdering the girls and IF CW could not prevent SW from murdering both girls and IF he truly loved his daughters and wife, why would he not bury them together. At the very least put both girls together in the same burial spot so they would forever be together. In stead, he thought about himself only and made a choice based on what was best for him ~ separating the girls, minimizing the smell of decomposition and keeping the girls from their mother even in the end of their lives. If he had remorse or pain or loss feelings he would have kept them together.

I probably wouldn't because she killed them, I wouldn't want her to be with them. IMO

 

[cottonweaver]

A high school teacher from over 15 years ago (I'm assuming he graduated at 18) and a friend of 4 years (who we don't know if that friend has even been in their house or met the kids, do we?).

He didn't seem to have much of a social life, or really anybody to vouch for what a great upstanding guy he was other than people who were known to both him and SW.

I mean, my husband isn't the most social person in the world (far from it), but he has coworkers and friends who would definitely stand up and vouch for him if something were to happen to me and the kids. I think it's pretty telling that we aren't seeing this here.

Did you notice the KVDR(?) interview clip (thread 8 ) where he makes a big thing of " we have friends all over", almost like in every state?

It really stood out for me.

 

[vaporlass]

This question came up last night and yes, there are a couple of statements - one from a friend of 4 years, I think, and another from one of his high school teachers. The articles should be in the media thread, which is linked on page 1.

It’s not on this Thread - are you referring to page 1 of another thread? I’m looking for something other than what friends in Colorado saw - like friends from his hometown ... I just need to dig deeper.

 

[CFlo]

Theoretically, CW could have forged SW's signature and was hiding the lawsuit from her. But they were both in NC at the time, from what I understand. Don't know why he would do that.

I don't think the HOA's lawyer would forge their signatures. Not over a $1,500 suit.

TY Bill. I dont have that “expertise” and most of me didn’t want to learn it quickly (not that one could, that’s is a lot of learned knowledge. A lot.). I felt like I was violating enough through my own technical and SM expertise, not that you or others were being “intrusive”. Gosh I hope that makes sense!!

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

Respectfully, if you:

aren't going to answer my questions from the last FEW days (or anyone else’s that I’ve read here), for me/us to see your side, please do not address me any longer.
It is not up to ME to provide you proof, the charges speak for themselves. If YOU want reasonable doubt, then you prove it. Period.
I do not need to show you any proof. It is up to the DA side to for reasonable doubt. I digress.
I’ve stated continuously, as have many, we are open to entertaining your “side” as WS admins and WS has advised us to do (this isn’t their first case, come on).
But, NONE of my questions have been answered, nor do I see anyone else’s being answered in a mature, sourecable response.
IF this is the DA’s strategy to use as a test, I pity you and your team, you have a long haul.
Period.

 

[gitana1]

I really do not understand why someone would admit strangling the life out of their wife , dumping his kids in disgusting oil ,and tossing his dead wife in a self made grave, while admitting to an affair has a heap of motivation to lie about the rest.

Simple. He was cornered. It was clear they had not left the house except in his truck. He denied having an affair. But a two day investigation proved he was a liar.

Dude was cornered. He came up with the best story he could given the facts and what was known.

 

[Davia18]

May 10th 2017 video on SW fb tells of how her and CW came together and their move to CO.

 

[pocketaccent]

I have not seen anyone on the thread defending Chris. What I have read here are people who believe he committed the horrors he confessed to.

There is a world of difference imo !

Before the confession came out I had started to have notions about the participants in the relationship.

These were different ideas than the majority of folks appear to have gleaned from the SM stuff.

I saw mostly, a intense desire to show , possibly, a total facade (obviously )of what was really happening with the relationship.

Relationships are always two way streets.

My difference of opinion is just that -- what he did was horrid.

I do however believe that there is more to the story .

I am fully aware that they charged him for the kids. Folks are charged daily for things that did not occur.

It is important IMO to remain cognizant of the simple fact that he did not change his confession - ever. The media (everywhere) over time changed what he said to LE>

Interestingly , this error , evolved over time. Early on every outlet always stated "allegedly" or "reportedly"

I found that odd all along. But from where it is now I understand it better.

Medias desire to blast a shocking headline .

The "allergy " and "reportedly" , for new reason other than a more dramatic headline changed to the erroneous blaring headline:

Husbands admits to killing wife and two chilren - when in fact he never confessed to any such thing.

If he had, happens , it would be in filings submitted to a court of law.

In much the same way as they reported that he denied an affair (what man or woman does not?) was clearly indicated in the filing.

The way it stands now is the erroneous public perception that he confessed to killing all three of them .

He simply never said that, nor confess to such.

There are rules we follow here. However that does not preclude being aware of things that do not meet certain criteria here.

Much online is speculation, granted.

Everything on line however, is not BS.

So to the come to the conclusion that those of us who have a differing opinion are trolls is not accurate.

As far as I go I have been here for bit- and I am confident that the notion of my having any interest in trolling anyone, anything ,at any time ,in any instance would not be endorsed by any member who has been with us for quite some time.

That is what WS is about.

ONe's beliefs who are different than others are fine - they are personal opinions.

Which does not make them any more correct or likely.

They are opinions - and based on (just like everyone else) those concussions are formed as a result of a whole host of things individual to each person.

We all base our notions on our experiences - and my experience (does not make it more or less likely than anyone else's) in all liklihood resulted in my observing some things in a different light .

That does not make me right. That makes me me!

Those of us who have spent time together here are also aware in any tragedy "monster" " hope X rots in""evil" have never been nor will ever be in my worldview.

I understand venting (for sure!) but for me calling another human being a monster does not really help me .

All behavior (good or bad or horrible) has meaning.

In addition, after all these years here, I have two people on ignore. Ignoring thoughts and ideas that differ from mine basically translates IMO not having the option to think of something different than I thought.

That happens for me often here. Often it is aloud!! OH!

Then often followed by "my god I never thought of that" typically followed by some new search terms in Google!

In much the same fashion , those who endorse a belief system do so passionately. The same is true for others who have a different conclusion - it done with passion as well.

This blind notion that LE is often correct , is not true.

People are let out daily for LE blunders.

I would like to think that had the media not gotten the confession wrong for several days - there might be some folks more willing or able to consider that his confession might be what actually did occur.

Play around with "Fantasy Bonding" IMO the answers are there - terms of the why- it relates to this tragedy

that is jmo !

moo

The prosecutor reminded CW is innocent until proven guilty. Yes, it's very important to keep an open mind.

 

[Ronso]

We don't know the past of either SW or CW. Wasn't SW previously married and divorced? We only know the personas that SW chose to cultivate on social media or with her friends. Watching CW's relationship video and comparing him to recent videos...I think SW cleaned him up and helped him create his look for Thrive. And all those family photos with the coordinated outfits...some outdoor photo shoots...those are expensive! Their house looks immaculate in the Facebook photos. NU said that SW has the beds made in the morning, and an immaculate, perfect house...ok. How is it possible with a 3 and 4 year old, lupus, and 4 months pregnant? Either that is real control over their home environment or they had a maid.

I don't work for the defense or offense. I came here seeing CW's guilt in early interviews. But the more I am looking at...I think CW had to live up to a lifestyle that was picture perfect, he looked sloppy and lazy before. I know that goes against the grain. I think CW's affair was a passive aggressive way to have some control of his own life.

BBM.

My mother had four kids, worked full-time, and went to college, and kept an immaculate house. I'm talking like model-home immaculate. She made dinners, she did everything. I don't know how she did it, but she did. It's how she was raised to be, and my grandmother was the same exact way. And it certainly points to SW not being some sort of leech and freeloader, as implied in previous comments on this thread. Keeping an immaculate home and making dinners, and taking care of small children is no easy task. I know, because I have five kids of my own (and one on the way). Who's to say that CW didn't insist that of her, too? ("I work, so you have to clean this house and make sure dinner is waiting for me when I get home" sort of thing)

 

[notrust]

I agree

four people living off his hard hard work week after week in the blazing sun

had to be hard

Really? She worked as well. And even if she was a purely stay at home mother with no additional/supplemental income, what a repulsive thing to say.

 

[CFlo]

WHAT? SW was in NC on June 30? Then she couldn’t have signed a process server’s summons! This is becoming curiouser! Holy cow.

No No no. Bill’s response was to me asking if they were BOTH indeed in CO at the time.
I gave an example of my former husband forging my signature for a remod, back in 2009/2010.