CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #9

[bluesneakers]

In how many of those cases did the dad react by killing the mother in rage and grief and then calmly dispose of all their bodies, go to work and coolly lie about their whereabouts to avoid detection for the next several days?

I asked about this yesterday and I've tried googling but so far nothing.

If murdering his wife and disposing of three bodies was an immediate, unplanned reaction to seeing someone killing his children surely there would be at least one other example?

 

[gitana1]

An attempt to lesson his sentence, continue to abuse SW, and take digs at SW's family (something we're likely see him do even years later from his cell).

We've seen it all before.

Moo

Yes. It takes it from first degree to something like voluntary manslaughter. Or sets up an "insanity" defense.

Sociopaths are used to lying and getting away with it. He thinks he can lie his way out of this. Much like Jodi Arias.

 

[kebdal23]

I'm sorry to go back to the basics, but IMO it's as simple as this:
The fact that he put the children in the oil tank, possibly/probably knowing that the oil would eventually fully decomp their bodies, means to me that not only was this premeditated, but also that he intended to disappear his family. I feel that he intended to put SW in the oil tank also, but couldn't due to logistics or time constraint. I feel that her delayed flight and the quick response of the friend thwarted his plan to cover up details at the house. Then, he could sell the house as he indicated to the neighbor and move on with his life in whatever direction.

 

[bluesneakers]

How do we know that? and Why were some posts deleted and not others? Her account on FB is now a legacy account and was soon after she was found. According to Facebook legacy rules...

Your legacy contact can't:

• Log into your account.
• Remove or change past posts, photos and other things shared on your timeline.
• Read your messages.
• Remove any of your friends or make new friend requests.
• Add a new legacy contact to your account.

What is a legacy contact and what can they do? | Facebook Help Center | Facebook

Some of us saw her Facebook pages before the posts were deleted, that's how.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I read somewhere, but cannot locate the article now, that when NUA dropped SW off at home CW had locked the door w additional lock and SW had to call him on his cell to come downstairs and let her in. Seems he wanted to be awake and aware of when she got home.

Well, since the code to the garage door was broken, I guess you couldn't get in through there. I wonder if they have the same garage door code security people that the couple in Bonita Springs had, which help determine it was somebody coming in from out of town and changing the codes on the garage door panel and when they did those security code changes.

By the way, if the front door was latched and the garage door was broken with a code and could not get in and the back sliding door they could not get in, how did they get into the house?

 

[wgram]

Have they determined whether Alexis recorded anything? TIA

 

[Bill Carson]

June 30th... where were they BOTH on that date, respectively?

They each signed separate waivers, dated June 30th.

 

[DAdvocate]

Some of us saw her Facebook pages before the posts were deleted, that's how.

And what did those posts say?

 

[vaporlass]

Whatever his maniacal reason was to place the phone in the couch, I'm convinced he did the stashing, believing that somehow he'd be able to destroy it before anyone caught onto him. If there's a way to commit murder correctly, he surely did it all wrong.

Or as someone else said, she placed it there to record their conversation?
If he did it, wouldn’t he have turned it off? It was on, her friend heard it ringing.
Did he leave it - hide it - so it appeared by GPS that she was home and hoped everyone thought she was too tired and felt too bad to take girls to school?
That’s the part that really nags at me ...
surely he knew about Dr Appt and girls first day of school ... so if it was premeditated, he deserves to be on dumbest criminal list.

 

[Harriet Vane]

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Someone on here mentioned that maybe he resented her for living beyond their means. My take on that is that he likes to

As a mother to a light sleeper, I totally agree and posted a few pages back.

Ah sorry, I’ve been trying to keep up but missed your post!

 

[BingoBongo]

Ok so this is not going to be popular.
I’m just curious. Are you SO sure that you know how this happened that you would bet everything you own or your child’s life on this assumption. I’m not “supporting” CW or “biased” against SW but I also would NEVER bet my child’s life on the belief that it happened one way or another at this stage of the investigation. This is where I am coming from. I Find it difficult to believe that any human can kill another human. So yes it is difficult for me to believe a mother would kill her own child but it has happened. Look it up.

Not sure I am understanding what you mean by "bet everything you own or your child's life on this assumption." Where did I say anything about "betting my child's life"? Maybe you mixed up my post with anothers? My post was in reference to SW, not myself, or every other mother out there.

No assumptions made, I fully understand that women and mothers are capable of heinous acts toward their own children, but based on what I know (facts) and have seen (videos) so far, I believe SW did not kill her children. I believe CW did.

 

[Bill Carson]

Anadarko to plug, abandon wells east of Longmont
Is this the site of the bodies ? Just wondering bc they were abandoned and if he knew that

No, the site he disposed of the bodies is way out 40 miles east of their home. It was very remote. There is a gps coordinate on the arrest affidavit.

 

[Spellbound]

I really do not understand why someone would admit strangling the life out of their wife , dumping his kids in disgusting oil ,and tossing his dead wife in a self made grave, while admitting to an affair has a heap of motivation to lie about the rest.

He didn't admit to anything at first ... most likely he was confronted with direct evidence on these points and he knew he couldn't deny they happened. But he is deflecting blame onto his dead wife to cover his own butt now. it won't work.

 

[cattlekate]

This bothers me a lot too. We do know women who seem to love their children in public and on SM that kill them.
I’m going to try to be open-minded as a juror should be ...
She has said herself that she was ABUSIVE to CW in the beginning of their relationship. I hear a hard tone in her voice during pregnancy reveal that sounds on edge and he does act strangely - maybe even fearful?
I keep hearing him say in interview, “This has got to stop!” I think he means a lot more by that statement - maybe the excessive spending or even her tendency to become abusive when she doesn’t feel well... (her words not mine)
BUT, it always comes back to ... throwing those babies in a oily, dark place ... my mind can’t go there no matter what really happened in that house. He went into a dimension that I can’t enter when he decided and acted upon that plan.
So if anyone could explain to me WHY he would do that to his children who were supposedly murdered by their mother, I will reconsider my conviction that he killed them all.

I noticed that “This has got to stop!” exclamation too.

 

[vaporlass]

Yes he certainly did.

Also I think it was member Carson who had a very credible theory for that one - he's planning to take the phone, ensuring it's tracked via tower to a an airport/train station etc

TBH IDK if he's that smart but it is possible he was planning to later stage a - she has left me etc

It's a very strange case and we're not going to know how far ahead it's been pre-planned , hours or days etc

Carson is brilliant!

 

[gitana1]

The proof of his guilt is in the aftermath imo. Who disposes of bodies (and in such a desecrating way) if they are innocent? An innocent person would have nothing to hide, nothing to lie about. Calling 911 and having LE immediately at the house afterward would make his story believable. The forensics of her strangling the children would be obvious. There would be no wrong doing on his behalf and he would work with LE instead of against them. He would bury his children in a way that memorialized them.

His instincts here show me that he is entirely guilty. Like a child who breaks a cookie jar while sneaking cookies, haphazardly cleans it up, and denies ever touching it even though there are remnants on the floor and crumbs on his face.

Exactly. The thing some are not understanding is the meaning of the word "reasonable". As in "reasonable doubt".

His story is beyond reason given his actions and demeanor and statements after the fact. Absolutely no reasonable doubt he annihilated his family.

 

[NuttMegg]

To me the tiny detail of him telling his friends a day after his entire family goes missing that he was going to sell the house tells it all.

This is a man that had a plan. He had a plan to eliminate his family and a plan for his life once they were out of it.

I don't think there was any rage or any arguments. I think he carried out his plan and was feeling pretty proud of himself until he got caught.

Moo

Wow I missed that part where he said he was selling the house. Like that would be the first thing to enter my mind if my family had disappeared. <<rolling eyes>>

 

[bluesneakers]

And what did those posts say?

There were no signs she was mentally struggling.

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

I read somewhere, but cannot locate the article now, that when NUA dropped SW off at home CW had locked the door w additional lock and SW had to call him on his cell to come downstairs and let her in. Seems he wanted to be awake and aware of when she got home.

I believe it was not locked at drop off. I believe NU said SW went inside, turned and waved "bye" and that's the last NU heard from her.

Then the next day when NU was concerned about SW she tried to get in the house, but the latch was on the front door preventing entry.

 

[Bill Carson]

Thank you, Bill Carson! Excellent sleuthing! Sorry to be stupid, but when you say “both parties signed on June 30” does that mean a process server came to their house and both SW and CW signed individually? I’d love to hear from the process server.

$683.80 is 12.66 months worth of dues. That’d be nuts to ignore a year’s worth of dues. I have to wonder if there was a special assessment, such as snow removal, and so it’s not a year’s worth of dues. But we didn’t have much snow in winter 2017/2018 so that could not be case....

After living 18 years in a Colorado HOA, I sure hope someone digs deeper as to why they just didn’t write a darned check and get rid of the HOA delinquency and avoid a judicial action which could appear on their credit report and lead to a superlien foreclosure!

No evidence of a process server. Each signed a separate waiver, which may have been emailed to them and emailed back, since it appears they were in NC at the time.