CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #9

[Boodles]

The prosecutor reminded CW is innocent until proven guilty. Yes, it's very important to keep an open mind.

Presumed innocent, by legal standards. That’s a big difference from factual innocence. (Sorry, I’m a stickler about the presumed part. It’s an important distinction.)

 

[NuttMegg]

Sometimes my mother in law will text me at work saying “I can’t get ahold of ——, is she okay?” I’ll call her and if I get no answer I never have considered calling police.

Have you ever seen a friend in a diabetic coma? That's usually from high blood sugar, but too low a blood sugar level can produce the same coma and kill or hurt the fetus too. And she had had an episode over the weekend which the friend witnessed. And she missed the maternity appointment. Yeah, I'd call someone to check too.

 

[cottonweaver]

Wow, thank you so much for that information. I find this very interesting regarding SW’s mindset at the time upon her return to CO.

Merry - are we sure that WS now ( not in 2016) doesn' t allow screenshots of the victims FB?
It's all getting confusing on here. I am sure that I read that this is now allowed even tho it is not MSM - that rules have been changed on this.

It's only on this basis that I have pasted about 50 of SW's insta posts over 8 threads with no adverse consequence.
Maybe @CFlo should re-check the new version of the rules, if she comes back here.

 

[jjenny]

Presumed innocent, by legal standards. That’s a big difference from factual innocence. (Sorry, I’m a stickler about the presumed part. It’s an important distinction.)

It's only the jury that has to presume that. The rest of us don't.

 

[bluesneakers]

Sometimes my mother in law will text me at work saying “I can’t get ahold of ——, is she okay?” I’ll call her and if I get no answer I never have considered calling police.

How many people have to tell you they would do exactly that before you believe it's possible? Or do you just not believe it? Because I would say no, not everyone would call 911 for a wellness check under those circumstances. But some would, and have, and NU did.

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

The thirty minutes friends who they spent a lot

the notion

bbm.

He looks like if you zoomed out he could be sitting on a wave runner.

Moo

 

[Bill Carson]

Ok, Now I know why not one of his family members has spoken out in his behalf or about this case at all. They will be part of the defense on SW's controlling behavior (defense will paint this) with this incident in particular. The MIL will say the nuts were out of reach of the children and SW over reacted and when she did not get her way, she left with the children.

I agree that I view her as the controlling one in the marriage. I don't view him as a control freak. He did whatever she said. Until he didn't any more.

 

[Hhskstev]

My latest theory is that CW hadn't planned this murder out beforehand. (The deleting of the SM a week before is very suspicious, however.)

I think the girls were alive and asleep when SW got home.

I think SW's suspicions of CW's infidelity became confirmed when she got back from NC. Perhaps a friend mentioned seeing CW with a woman, or someone mentioned seeing a woman enter the house while she was gone. Or maybe SW came across some evidence of the affair at the home.

SW may have ripped the sheets off the bed when she learned that his lover had slept in the bed.

SW was going to sleep on the couch that night. CW was not happy. They got into a fight (an "emotional discussion," if you will). It got physical, and loud. The children started to wake. He put his hands on her throat and started squeezing. The rage filled inside of him. She struggled and thrashed, he held on tight, and one or both of the kids walked in and saw this. SW went limp, and the kids started screaming.

What was he to do? His daughters just saw their father kill their mother. They were screaming, the dog was howling. The neighbors will hear! He puts his hand over his daughter's mouth to stop the screaming, and it only worked if he cut her air off entirely. Eventually, she went limp, too, and it was on to the other daughter.

Then he went into panic mode, cleaned up the mess as best as he could. Locked the dog in the garage while he figured out what to do with the bodies.

I agree alot with this scenario except I think he killed his daughters with the pillows which is why the pillow cases were found in the trash. I dont think he used his hands round their necks. Why put them in the trash did he think he would have enough time for the trash to be taken out that week and never be found? He could have washed the pillow cases to erase evidence but throwing them in the bin again looks panicked and rushed to me. It saddens me to talk about the significance of pilow cases being in the trash because to me it implies they had something to do with the deaths. He can ask for DNA of the girls throats quite confidently because he knows no DNA from strangulation would be found anyway. By asking for DNA of their necks he is creating speculation to try and back up his story. He knows full well he used their pillows to murder those beautiful babies. RIP angels and your beautiful Mother x x

 

[tmar]

The threads move so fast, I lose track of posts. I thought I saw a clip of reporters knocking on the door of the supposed mistress. Did they name her?

I get the feeling that CW waited for SW to fall asleep before doing what he did. Does anyone else feel this way? I don't know if that means he killed the girls after or not. She didn't feel well, so she may have said "How are the girls?", instead of going in to check on them.

It did state, in the previous thread, that the girls were in the 'oil tanks' for 4 days, when found on afternoon of 16 Aug. I'll find statement, and add with my edit.
So girls probably killed, and placed in 'oil tanks', prior to SW arriving at home.
Guess all this will be sorted, with time.

Edit added: Posted by Denvergirl, on page 1, of previous thread.
Timeline: Key dates in investigation of deaths of Shanann Watts, 2 daughters in Colorado
Thursday, Aug. 16
2:30 p.m. — Christopher Watts appears in Weld County court, where 19th Judicial District Judge Marcelo Kopcow denies him bond. Kopcow says bond will be reconsidered after Christopher Watts is formally charged.

Thursday afternoon — Shanann Watts' body is found in a "shallow grave," according to court documents obtained by 9News and shared with the Coloradoan. The two children are found "inside oil tanks located near the grave of their mother" later that evening. Court documents also suggest Bella and Celeste were strangled and had "been in an oil well filled with crude oil" for four days.

 

[Not a Belle]

Sometimes my mother in law will text me at work saying “I can’t get ahold of ——, is she okay?” I’ll call her and if I get no answer I never have considered calling police.

You are fortunate that you have never been in a position to fear for her safety/well-being.

 

[CFlo]

Yes, you can still see the blocked person's post when others repond to it. But for some reason, those opposite views don't bother me for this case. Maybe because they are a bit too preposterous, even comical.

Ty love.
But you also have thicker skin probably and also more experience here. I strive to be like y’all one day

 

[DAdvocate]

I agree that I view her as the controlling one in the marriage. I don't view him as a control freak. He did whatever she said. Until he didn't any more.

Trial will show a lot of blame to go around. IMO

 

[Jennifer17]

Sometimes my mother in law will text me at work saying “I can’t get ahold of ——, is she okay?” I’ll call her and if I get no answer I never have considered calling police.

Obviously the friend had some info that made her worry.

 

[Jennifer17]

Trial will show a lot of blame to go around. IMO

What kind of blame. The man was having an affair, killed his family and dumped his little girls in dirty black oil.
There is not much room for blame to be evenly distributed.

 

[CFlo]

Merry - are we sure that WS now ( not in 2016) doesn' t allow screenshots of the victims FB?
It's all getting confusing on here. I am sure that I read that this is now allowed even tho it is not MSM - that rules have been changed on this.

It's only on this basis that I have pasted about 50 of SW's insta posts over 8 threads with no adverse consequence.
Maybe @CFlo should re-check the new version of the rules, if she comes back here.

Hi,
I’m here. I just needed to learn the settings. Tricia herself had said it was ok to mention SW’s SM. She said we could mention, discuss and even link. Another Admin said we could not include a screenshot, so I didn’t.
Honestly please do teach me what I’m missing as I don’t want to be a rule breaker.TIA.
So are we allowed or not to discuss SWs SM?
ETA: could not.

 

[NuttMegg]

Trial will show a lot of blame to go around. IMO

So if he killed her and the kids it could be just as much her fault?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I really do not understand why someone would admit strangling the life out of their wife , dumping his kids in disgusting oil ,and tossing his dead wife in a self made grave, while admitting to an affair has a heap of motivation to lie about the rest.

You may have missed a lot of posts up Thread about the reasons he would do that. It is because he would not have a child death and charges of his children, and he would not have first-degree murder. You may want to go up thread and reread some of the post explaining why.

 

[Talisman]

Are there ANY other posters afraid CW will get away with this?? We've seen jury atrocities with Caylee, Nicole Brown, etc - it just tears your heart out all over again

CW had plenty enough time to set the scene the way he wanted. I believe it was all premeditated. He worked for Anadarko long enough to know which tanks to put the girls in & what the crude oil would do to their tiny bodies.

He had 6 weeks to plan (or maybe even longer). Shanann was home briefly & left for her AZ trip ... CW had access to all the DNA (Shanann's, Bella's Celeste's) he needed ... could easily swab or smear Shanann's DNA mixed with the girls on sheets or bedding. Purposely leaving a sheet at the disposal site & trash at home ... in his mind it would still back up his theory.

A poster, threads back (Sorry can't remember who,to give you credit) mentioned CW being cunning enough to scrape the girls necks with Shanann's fingernails or use her fingers for imprints around their necks.

Who's to say CW didn't murder the girls on the couch where Shanann's phone was found? Maybe then moving those tiny, precious girls bodies ... then waited for Shanann to get home to finish the rest of his plan. Her flight delay probably did mess with his planning - but I still think he had time between 2:15 and 5:15 to stage things.

I know we don't have many real facts to go by until everything is put out there by the DA and Defense ...

so this is all IMHO, MOO, LMNOP, QRSTUV ...

A side note to all of the posters who have to leave this case to keep your sanity - I'm right there with you ♡
My heart pounds and sinks to such a sorrowful place when reading here. I just keep praying for all those (families, posters and lurkers) touched by this savage, senseless crime.
Also hoping & praying he doesn't get away with this.

 

[DAdvocate]

What kind of blame. The man was having an affair, killed his family and dumped his little girls in dirty black oil.
There is not much room for blame to be evenly distributed.

That is your opinion and I respect that. But there is much more to know IMO.

1. Prosecution has to disprove his story with facts we don’t have yet.
2. What was her state of mind, meds, mental history.
3. What was the financial situation.
4. How did SW treat CW and how did he treat her.

Etc.

 

[DAdvocate]

Are there ANY other posters afraid CW will get away with this?? We've seen jury atrocities with Caylee, Nicole Brown, etc - it just tears your heart out all over again

CW had plenty enough time to set the scene the way he wanted. I believe it was all premeditated. He worked for Anadarko long enough to know which tanks to put the girls in & what the crude oil would do to their tiny bodies.

He had 6 weeks to plan (or maybe even longer). Shanann was home briefly & left for her AZ trip ... CW had access to all the DNA (Shanann's, Bella's Celeste's) he needed ... could easily swab or smear Shanann's DNA mixed with the girls on sheets or bedding. Purposely leaving a sheet at the disposal site & trash at home ... in his mind it would still back up his theory.

A poster, threads back (Sorry can't remember who,to give you credit) mentioned CW being cunning enough to scrape the girls necks with Shanann's fingernails or use her fingers for imprints around their necks.

Who's to say CW didn't murder the girls on the couch where Shanann's phone was found? Maybe then moving those tiny, precious girls bodies ... then waited for Shanann to get home to finish the rest of his plan. Her flight delay probably did mess with his planning - but I still think he had time between 2:15 and 5:15 to stage things.

I know we don't have many real facts to go by until everything is put out there by the DA and Defense ...

so this is all IMHO, MOO, LMNOP, QRSTUV ...

A side note to all of the posters who have to leave this case to keep your sanity - I'm right there with you ♡
My heart pounds and sinks to such a sorrowful place when reading here. I just keep praying for all those (families, posters and lurkers) touched by this savage, senseless crime.
Also hoping & praying he doesn't get away with this.

Do you believe he really set it all as he wanted?

1. Sheet in field.
2. Possibly unaware of cameras.

List goes on...