Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #47

[MassGuy]

What can we do to help assure justice is carried out at sentencing?

Sit back and watch. Under sentencing guidelines, he’s never walking out of prison.

 

[Tortoise]

You can turn off notifications. Mine alerts me of both motion, and people talking.

Thanks - so his watching of the door is not an indication to LE that he knew Shan'ann wouldn't be answering the door? If that makes sense.

 

[ReckoningDay]

Colorado Man Pleads Guilty in Killing of Daughters, Mother From Moore County
“(We) spent quite a bit of time talking with the Rzucek family about the state of the death penalty in Colorado (and) the realties of the death penalty,” Rourke said during a news conference. “We explained to (the Rzuceks) the extraordinary delays that currently exist in the state of Colorado as a result of, in part, the actions of our current governor.”

“I don’t know how I could have sat in Sandy’s kitchen and asked her to commit the next 25 years of her life to the criminal justice system without any assurances that that sentence, if obtained, would ever be imposed,” Rourke said.

“(The Rzuceks) were very strongly in favor of a resolution in this case short of the death penalty,” Rourke said. “That to me, was the most important consideration in deciding how to proceed with this case.”
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Shan'ann Watts celebrates her daughter Celeste's third birthday earlier this year.

The more I think about it, the more I am sooo very glad the family does not have to devote any more time (past Nov 19, hopefully) to this horrid case.

 

[ReckoningDay]

Sit back and watch. Under sentencing guidelines, he’s never walking out of prison.

That's the best news I've heard today.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I have not gone down that path, Tippy, but just wanted to say that you handled yourself with class and objectivity and never bashed SW. I'm glad your cheek got off the fence!!!

Thank you

 

[MassGuy]

Thanks - so his watching of the door is not an indication to LE that he knew Shan'ann wouldn't be answering the door? If that makes sense.

Not necessarily, although I think he’d have his notifications on, just to make sure no one came by.

His heart must have dropped, and the blood run from his face, when NUA knocked on the door.

Poor thing.

 

[liltexans]

What can we do to help assure justice is carried out at sentencing?

Discuss the laws in CO and ask the attorneys if there's any way CW won't serve his full sentence. Find out if there are any loopholes that would allow him to ever get parole. Research the legal side of the case.

Just a few suggestions to stay on topic and focus on what will happen next in this sad case.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

BBM
I have no idea, I have no idea how any of this works.

Unless the State of Colorado sees fit to move
CW,for a darn good reason or as part of the plea agreement, that man will live the remainder of his life within the boundary of the STATE OF COLORADO.

 

[MsBetsy]

When they talk about deliberation and planning, I always recall Nancy Grace saying that "premeditation can occur in the blink of an eye". It's not that he might have planned it for a certain date, it's the fact that he made a decision to do it.

True, and he may not have made the decision until 2 hours after Shanann arrived home. But I suspect he had been thinking about it for weeks. Jmo

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Discuss the laws in CO and ask the attorneys if there's any way CW won't serve his full sentence. Find out if there are any loopholes that would allow him to ever get parole. Research the legal side of the case.

Just a few suggestions to stay on topic and focus on what will happen next in this sad case.

Although Colorado is deemed a liberal state, I don’t believe any judge, conservative or liberal leaning will sentence him to one second less than the plea deal. It would be career ending.

 

[PommyMommy]

True, and he may not have made the decision until 2 hours after Shanann arrived home. But I suspect he had been thinking about it for weeks. Jmo

I agree, MsBetsy. There was a build up. MOO

 

[MassGuy]

Although Colorado is deemed a liberal state, I don’t believe any judge, conservative or liberal leaning will sentence him to one second less than the plea deal. It would be career ending.

We’d need a lawyer to chime in, but I don’t think the judge has any discretion in regards to anything less than LWOP.

Even if he/she wants to, they can’t go lower.

I wouldn’t be the least bit concerned regardless, for the reasons you stated.

Edit* Mandatory LWOP under Colorado law.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

Not necessarily, although I think he’d have his notifications on, just to make sure no one came by.

His heart must have dropped, and the blood run from his face, when NUA knocked on the door.

Poor thing.

Yes, and he refused her request I think 3 times to come home and check on her which led to her calling for a welfare check.

 

[liltexans]

Although Colorado is deemed a liberal state, I don’t believe any judge, conservative or liberal leaning will sentence him to one second less than the plea deal. It would be career ending.

That's good. Six years ago, the outgoing Mississippi governor pardoned 14 convicted murderers.

Outgoing Mississippi governor issues nearly 200 pardons - CNN

I think this would be an extremely long shot in this case and it wouldn't even be an issue for many years or even decades, probably, but stranger things have happened.

 

[Tranquileyes]

When they talk about deliberation and planning, I always recall Nancy Grace saying that "premeditation can occur in the blink of an eye". It's not that he might have planned it for a certain date, it's the fact that he made a decision to do it.

Oh I know! I sat through a whole trial for another case where this was all explained. I just stated that I'm sure these thoughts ran through his head well before he actually committed the murders due to his affairs, detachment, and time alone.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

I am sure this has been discussed but I am confused- not surprising . The charge of unlawful termination of pregnancy that resulted in her death - it was explained that it means he killed the baby by killing her- that there was not a deliberate act to end the pregnancy and was a charge they could add on since he killed her while she was pregnant. A different lawyer said it means he acted in a specific way to terminate the pregnancy and what I stated above was wrong. What is correct?

 

[MsBetsy]

I am sure this has been discussed but I am confused- not surprising . The charge of unlawful termination of pregnancy that resulted in her death - it was explained that it means he killed the baby by killing her- that there was not a deliberate act to end the pregnancy and was a charge they could add on since he killed her while she was pregnant. A different lawyer said it means he acted in a specific way to terminate the pregnancy and what I stated above was wrong. What is correct?

It was a deliberate act to end the pregnancy, imo, since he would have known the baby would die. He could not possibly have killed her without knowing that.

 

[Seattle1]

Ok, gotcha. 'On scene' was what threw me, I thought the times he gave were given to the detective upon his first contact with LE after calling them.

ETA
...sigh... then again
It says the officer and detective examined the bed, saw the sheets had been removed, found her cell phone in the loft, and then talked to CW and he said 1:48AM was approximately when she came home. So it does seem like it was that initial contact that he gave that time.

Irrelevant in the grand scheme of things when he knew. He sucks.

Actually, NUA had learned of the neighbors video surveillance before CW finally came home. CW was not aware of video, and learned in process --giving two different accounts to first and 2nd arriving officers. MOO

 

[Seattle1]

We’d need a lawyer to chime in, but I don’t think the judge has any discretion in regards to anything less than LWOP.

Even if he/she wants to, they can’t go lower.

I wouldn’t be the least bit concerned regardless, for the reasons you stated.

Edit* Mandatory LWOP under Colorado law.

Can't forget the DA adamant that CW punishment be stacked -- he's serving his life sentences for each victim consecutively. He's dying in his cage.

 

[ZsaZsa]

We’d need a lawyer to chime in, but I don’t think the judge has any discretion in regards to anything less than LWOP.

Even if he/she wants to, they can’t go lower.

I wouldn’t be the least bit concerned regardless, for the reasons you stated.

Edit* Mandatory LWOP under Colorado law.

I hope that's right. It all just seemed too easy, know what I mean? I keep expecting to find there's some skullduggery afoot....