Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #47

[Mitch11]

Great post! And I agree.

Yeah me too..excellent post!

 

[pocketaccent]

I actually thought he had no idea, but reading the bit of the affidavit that was posted in the last thread, I think he did know.
It says that on scene, the Detective asked CW to walk him through the time he last saw Shanann. CW says she arrived home at at approximately 1:48AM.
It later notes that cameras recorded NUA's car leaving their home at exactly 1:48AM.
On scene, CW says he backed the truck up to the garage at approximately 5:27AM.
It later notes that cameras recorded this event at....5:27AM!

This sounds to me like someone very aware of the cameras, making careful note of things that would be captured, and when.

If I am reading this correctly, that he gave them exact times using 'approximately', which were later backed up by cameras as precise, this had to have been one of the first (of many) red flags that something was very, very wrong.

The way the affidavit is written, CW gave LE exact precise times of SW's arrival and his departure, soon after LE showed up, presumably even before LE finding out the exact times.

Red flags for sure. It's a mystery to me. How did he know those times?

NUA may have the answer. Ms NUA, please join us.. after Nov 19th.

 

[Zella]

I would say that both of them are pretty sick and tired of people wanting to question them.

The Thayers also (understandably) seemed really freaked out about having had him in the house with their family before they realized what was going on. I would be really surprised if they sought out opportunities to talk about it more.

 

[Serena Angelique]

I have a theory about why some people seem to have a lot of supporters, even though they appear so guilty. (This is not aimed at you Tippy) I think a spark of attraction can muddle the mind. This has been evident in several cases; three spring to mind, especially.
Let me make clear first, that I immediately sensed guilt in all three, so neither of them seemed attractive because I "knew" they were evil. But subjectively speaking, I can see how they might all three be considered above average.
That was CW, and then the JA and CA cases. As I said...to me CW seemed evil, but women were falling all over themselves to make it SWs fault.
In the JA and CA cases, I thought both of them came across as fake and mean looking B%@#$ just to be honest, but men seemed to find them pretty and sympathetic. I've noticed that in any case which has a particularly homely suspect, people immediately assume them guilty, though. (I am not going to mention who I consider homely.) Is it possible that subconscious physical attraction muddies the waters on this?
Am I alone in this observation?

It’s natural that people support conventionally attractive people over those less favored (this being entirely subjective). It starts very young-they’ve done studies on it. We are also more prone to treat Caucasian murder suspects with more deference than minorities. This is just a societal norm if an unfortunate one.

But if one looked at the overwhelming evidence gathered against the people in the cases you have mentioned, I believe it extends beyond appearance. As far as I was concerned, there was overwhelming evidence against Chris Watts from the minute he was arrested. The only person who claimed that SW had strangled the girls was HIM. And yet, there wasn’t any evidence of that at all. The odds that they were both killers was even less likely. And the fact that he fit the profile of many family annihilators was even more stacked against him. So what made people reach into his far fetched, makeshift story to find the minuscule bit of potential truth to it that would have made his victim the perpetrator?

It wasn’t just his looks. It takes a great amount of cognitive dissonance to believe his story (IMO) and a willingness to dismiss factual evidence in favor of salacious soap opera like drama.

Elusive “ANSWERS” or “FACTS” in this case will never be entirely known to the public’s satisfaction. Part of the appeal to this case was that they were such an attractive family, with many of the trappings of success on the surface. But the idea that a man could commit such attrocitoes (the oil tanks were the kicker) who seemed decent to pretty much everyone who knew him prior to this disturbing series of events is hard to grasp. It’s terrifying. If we make far reaching assumptions that defy the odds and common sense it must be coming from a deeper place than surface appearances.

 

[tmar]

That was just outright stupid - talking about selling the house. It shows me he is on a different wavelength to most everyone else on this planet.

I would think most folk, would consider for weeks about selling their homes.
All reasons for and against, and 'what next'.
Here, with CW, he stated 'selling the home' the next day when speaking with the Thayers.
CW knew, 'what next', as this was preplanned for ages.
MOO.

 

[tmar]

I am different than most people. I don't think if I was in the Watt's family or Shanann's family, I would show up for the sentencing. I would never want to see him again. Their statements will not affect him. Their grief will not matter to him. His family has to deal with all the disgust that his actions have thrust on them.
Nope, I think I would go out to breakfast instead. They know he is going away for life.

This would be ideal.
Let this horrid person, CW, see that he is insignificant, in their lives.
He is already removed.
This would have a great bearing on CW: not important at all.
He is a fizzle, that has disappeared.

 

[ReckoningDay]

It’s natural that people support conventionally attractive people over those less favored (this being entirely subjective). It starts very young-they’ve done studies on it. We are also more prone to treat Caucasian murder suspects with more deference than minorities. This is just a societal norm if an unfortunate one.

But if one looked at the overwhelming evidence in all the cases you have mentioned, I believe it extends beyond appearance. As far as I was concerned, there was overwhelming evidence against Chris Watts from the minute he was arrested. The only person who claimed that SW had strangled the girls was HIM. And yet, there wasn’t any evidence of that at all. The odds that they were both killers was even less likely. And the fact that he fit the profile of many family annihilators was even more stacked against him. So what made people reach into his far fetched, makeshift story to find the minuscule bit of potential truth to it that would have made his victim the perpetrator?

It wasn’t just his looks. It takes a great amount of cognitive dissonance to believe his story (IMO) and a willingness to dismiss factual evidence in favor of salacious soap opera like drama.

Elusive “ANSWERS” or “FACTS” in this case will never be entirely known to the public’s satisfaction . But the idea that a man could commit such attrocitoes (the oil tanks were the kicker) who seemed decent to pretty much everyone who knew him prior to this disturbing series of events is hard to grasp. It’s terrifying. If we make far reaching assumptions that defy the odds and common sense it must be coming from a deeper place than surface appearances.

Agree with so much of this! I just want to understand WHY? If it was not because of the conventional appearance, then WHY? Neither of these three seemed likable to me. Oh I thought of another one. I never found SP attractive either, but many have mentioned his charisma. To me , he just came across as smarmy. But I suppose in a still photo, with none of the backstory known, I may have said all four of these individuals were slightly aboce average...maybe a 5 or 6 on a scale of 1-10.

 

[idfinch]

I really hope people leave NUA and the Thayers be. I doubt they want to participate in online discussions after the extreme amounts of trauma and grief they’ve been through. Not trying to be rude at all, just my opinion.

 

[MsBetsy]

Is the VI still on this thread who supported CW?

Not for the last 25 threads or so...

 

[ReckoningDay]

Not for the last 25 threads or so...

OK, I forgot the username so wasn't sure. I was hoping she would update us on her opinions/feelings at this point.

 

[tmar]

My guess would be that their antennas went up at this point.

They probably weren’t sure what they were dealing with though, so until they got a clearer picture of something nefarious occurring, it’s just something they would have made a mental note of.

But once they realized that something very bad had happened, they were looking directly at him.

His interviews would have completely convinced them that he was responsible.

It would be great, being a 'fly on the wall', as LE discussed their thoughts amongst one another, in the first few instances.
Probably they had 'solved the case then.

 

[MassGuy]

It would be great, being a 'fly on the wall', as LE discussed their thoughts amongst one another, in the first few instances.
Probably they had 'solved the case then.

Yeah. They knew. It was all about proving it.

 

[MsBetsy]

OK, I forgot the username so wasn't sure. I was hoping she would update us on her opinions/feelings at this point.

Not likely. imo

 

[tmar]

Like many of you, I was shocked to check the news and learn that CW admitted to killing his entire family. However, when I learned it was to remove the death penalty as an option, it just further proved his selfishness.

At first, he had “no inclination”. Then, he only killed SW after witnessing her strangle the children. Finally, he admits the truth, but again, only to serve himself, to save himself the embarrassment of all his secrets and lies that would come out in court, not only to his family and friends, but to hers as well.

I still do not think he planned to murder them when he did. Being that he was having an affair and had spent five weeks without his family and had a taste of the single life (not really, though because SW prepped all his food and had a beautifully decorated home for him in her absence), I am quite positive that he considered their murders and maybe even did some research. However, the sloppy job he did and the short amount of time he gave himself to do it coupled with her doctors appointment the next morning, doesn't lend itself to planning to do this on that specific day. I do feel that "emotional conversation", whatever that entailed, did spark an argument that escalated and he deliberately decided to go forward with his previous thoughts that evening. Regardless, he did not think far enough because he put himself in a very tough position to get out of as a result.

Why leave the house with loose ends? If the girls were gone already, wouldn't he have had more time to stage things with SW even with her flight delay? How could he be sure no one would come looking for her while he was at work?

And if this was all planned to happen that day, then he is even more stupid than he has already proved himself to be.

I'm glad that her family will not have to endure years of unrest and a lengthy trial. They can be done with this nightmare and focus on healing themselves as best as they can without three (plus 1) beautiful members of their family while he can spend the rest of his miserable life in prison.

While others have commented that his narcissistic nature would not allow him to commit suicide, I don't completely put it past him.

Recalling Tyler Tessier who killed his pregnant girlfriend while simultaneously having another relationship with a woman to whom he proposed, he too staged interviews and even wept on camera holding her family's hand while pleading for her return. Of course, this starkly contrasts with CW and his porch interviews, but point being on the day of trial, he got dressed for court, ate breakfast, and then committed suicide. He thought that he would be able to get away with what he did and be free to live his life with the other woman without worrying that a baby on the way would ruin that for him. Once he realized, he was done for, and he would never attain that life, he killed himself.

Will CW do the same? Who knows, but what other hope could he possibly be holding out for?

This is all just so tragic, and I'm sad that I ever had to learn about Shan'ann, Bella, Celeste, and Nico in this manner. May they rest in eternal peace.

With Tessier, he was watched, every 15 minutes, yet managed to kill himself.
Once you decide, perhaps nothing may stop you.
Guess CW will be carefully watched.
MOO.

 

[MintLeighf]

Yes! I think this was always Plan A. He was supposed to have time to get rid of their things and then he'd claim that SW was so angry he was leaving her that she disappeared with his beloved children. He'd be the victim forever. When NUA came along with all of her annoying intuition and friendship, he was eventually forced to go with the mess that was Plan B-SW as the real killer. Notice though, each of these fantasy stories places the blame squarely on his wife. I think CW wanted his both his freedom and his good guy image intact.

I'm so very happy he's had to give up on that and admit the truth, not a good guy at all it turns out.

Jmo.

“When NAU came along with all of her annoying intuition and friendship” you KNOW this is exactly how he feels about her/the situation (and what went wrong). What a sick pig...
Also, thank you for the laugh, that line is so true it’s comical..

 

[BrownRice]

And let’s not forget, the pièce de résistance, they had video evidence of her entering the house at 1.48am. And none of her leaving.

Thankfully he was so dumb. Had all weekend to think of these obvious details.

 

[tmar]

Yeah. They knew. It was all about proving it.

And they certainly have.
It will be great hearing the DA provide us all, with loads of evidence very soon.
The DA will have loads of followers, I am sure.
MOO.

 

[Serena Angelique]

Agree with so much of this! I just want to understand WHY? If it was not because of the conventional appearance, then WHY? Neither of these three seemed likable to me. Oh I thought of another one. I never found SP attractive either, but many have mentioned his charisma. To me , he just came across as smarmy. But I suppose in a still photo, with none of the backstory known, I may have said all four of these individuals were slightly aboce average...maybe a 5 or 6 on a scale of 1-10.

Well, it’s impossible to answer the WHY of it succinctly but we do know that narcissists and sociopaths are very adept at illiciting sympathy. Some have even been able to view Chris Watts’ interviews sympathetically and actually read that he really misses his children and wants them to “barrel rush him” just like he said.

But CW hasn’t had a lot of time to court the public since he’s been incarcerated. A lot of the sympathy for him comes from social media outlets that run SW’s videos. He’s been painted to be a beleaguered husband. She was assertive and he was mild mannered. The age old stereotype of a woman emasculating a man have come into play here. Instead of the rightful victim receiving compassion and sympathy, a man who as far as I can see has expressed no remorse for his actions became the “victim” and that is one thing that narcissists are great at playing into. He was able to snag a helluva lot of “himpathy” while his wife was criticized for not being more traditional, in making him care for their children and hang up laundry.

 

[MassGuy]

With Tessier, he was watched, every 15 minutes, yet managed to kill himself.
Once you decide, perhaps nothing may stop you.
Guess CW will be carefully watched.
MOO.

I genuinely hope that he doesn’t succeed.

I hope his days are long, and his nights longer. I hope the decades pass slow.

I don’t think he’s smart enough to pull it off anyways. He’ll be the first guy to try and commit suicide by slicing his finger.

They’ll just put a bandaid on his paper cut and watch him closer.

What a dope.

 

[Tortoise]

So how exactly does his doorbell cam work? Is it set up to notify him on his phone? Or is it a house alarm thing - suggesting he had set the alarm when he left? If so that would be a strange thing to do on a normal day with his wife and children at home, surely.