Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #47

[MsBetsy]

Oh I know! I sat through a whole trial for another case where this was all explained. I just stated that I'm sure these thoughts ran through his head well before he actually committed the murders due to his affairs, detachment, and time alone.

Many people seemed to think the fact that he wanted the separation, and told a friend he wanted to end the marriage, was evidence that somehow pointed towards Shanann becoming enraged that her "rock" was leaving her and led to her killing them. I looked at it as one more clue that he was setting up the scenario of her leaving with the kids. I don't think he planned on being caught so soon, so maybe he wasn't even thinking of her being accused of murdering the kids. Hard to say. But I do believe he started plotting to kill them when they were in NC. Imo

 

[MassGuy]

I hope that's right. It all just seemed too easy, know what I mean? I keep expecting to find there's some skullduggery afoot....

There isn’t. He just wanted to save himself from the DP, and protect himself from the exposure of trial.

Coward till the end.

 

[AbbyG]

CW has been presented as an introvert (I am sure he was on some level, hiding so many secrets and seemingly lacking the normal range of human emotions and empathy) but he managed to fairly aggressively go after SW after she initially turned him down. He decided he wanted her and that was that, he would not be thwarted. I would guess he was the same with AP, who (IMO) was going to give him a major financial leg up. This "introvert" also seemed quite interested in popping on camera when he was in the b.g. of SW's videos; he may have been awkward and stiff and a little clueless, but he appeared to like it. On his sham TV interviews, he seemed quite chatty, and actually the least stiff we have seen him; I think he was excited and pleased with himself. I don't think he is a true introvert at all. I think it's more that he was masked, had a hidden persona, whether it be his sexcapades, bisexuality, inner rage, aggression, resentment and hostility or just shame. His "talk" about relationships was mechanical bordering on idiotic. Nothing genuine or spontaneous or introverted about him. IMO MOO.

 

[book-thinker]

This has always been my theory as well. I think he killed the girls before he knew about the flight delay, so he inevitably had to kill Shanann once she got home, no matter how inconvenient the timing was after that threw a monkey wrench in his plans. I think her friend dropping by also threw a huge monkey wrench in his plans. I suspect he was banking on having the afternoon/evening or even the next morning before reporting them as missing.

Since the neighbors never mention hear loud sounds, before or after Shannon arrived home.
Its feasible, Shannon texted him on the drive from the airport. Chris had a good idea when she would arrive,
giving him a opportunity to hid somewhere inside the home, killing Shannon first.
If Shannon did see that Chris murdered Celesta and Bella, this would bring out a Mothers rage, including screaming
and fighting and trying to call 911.

 

[AbbyG]

Many people seemed to think the fact that he wanted the separation, and told a friend he wanted to end the marriage, was evidence that somehow pointed towards Shanann becoming enraged that her "rock" was leaving her and led to her killing them. I looked at it as one more clue that he was setting up the scenario of her leaving with the kids. I don't think he planned on being caught so soon, so maybe he wasn't even thinking of her being accused of murdering the kids. Hard to say. But I do believe he started plotting to kill them when they were in NC. Imo

Totally agree. "Emotional conversation, let's leave it at that" was to set up the idea that she would walk out on him, disappear, possibly even commit suicide (I actually suspect his ultimate plan may have been to set up her as the murderer of her precious children, and go back to that shallow grave to set up a suicide situation-- maybe. Possibly.) He didn't want to say that they had actually "argued" as that might cast suspicion on himself. It wasn't a fight, it was an emotional conversation. At 5 am 15 minutes before he took off in his loaded-up truck. Or was it 4 am. Right.

 

[Gardener1850]

He was in a tough spot theoretically - if you look at it from his perspective - he knew his AP would be watching and didn't want to piss her off by sobbing about his family that had walked out on him (or flown out the windows). His need to fall into her lap all pleased with his new single status possibly trumped his media appeal.

Maybe.

I didn't even think about that! Could explain why he talked mostly about the girls and avoided mentioning his wife. If he deleted his FB account so the AP didn't know what was going on, he may have been thinking about her during the interview, too. Jmo

I'm so behind on this thread but wanted to ask-- do we think CW possibly texted or called his AP as soon as those TV interviews were over? Or perhaps she could have called him and said she saw him on the news? Could that be how the police found out about her so quickly? I wonder what, if anything, he told his AP about why he was spending the night at the Thayers? Didn't they say he spent a lot of time on his phone? Was he texting with her all night from their house?
For some reason I never thought about this before. But I can see him thinking he had the police fooled, and thinking that he could do whatever he wanted and get away with it. JMO.

 

[MsBetsy]

I hope that's right. It all just seemed too easy, know what I mean? I keep expecting to find there's some skullduggery afoot....

I think the skullduggery has been put to an end once and for all.

 

[MsBetsy]

I'm so behind on this thread but wanted to ask-- do we think CW possibly texted or called his AP as soon as those TV interviews were over? Or perhaps she could have called him and said she saw him on the news? Could that be how the police found out about her so quickly? I wonder what, if anything, he told his AP about why he was spending the night at the Thayers? Didn't they say he spent a lot of time on his phone? Was he texting with her all night from their house?
For some reason I never thought about this before. But I can see him thinking he had the police fooled, and thinking that he could do whatever he wanted and get away with it. JMO.

That's a good question. Maybe they did find out by looking at his phone. Or maybe they found out by questioning his co-workers. Maybe she came forward herself, as soon as she found out what happened.

 

[MsBetsy]

Totally agree. "Emotional conversation, let's leave it at that" was to set up the idea that she would walk out on him, disappear, possibly even commit suicide (I actually suspect his ultimate plan may have been to set up her as the murderer of her precious children, and go back to that shallow grave to set up a suicide situation-- maybe. Possibly.) He didn't want to say that they had actually "argued" as that might cast suspicion on himself. It wasn't a fight, it was an emotional conversation. At 5 am 15 minutes before he took off in his loaded-up truck. Or was it 4 am. Right.

Right. He immediately added, "I'll leave it at that," to control the conversation, not leaving any opportunity to ask further questions about it. Because there was no conversation. And some insisted he was not controlling... I think he was,and it was just very subtle. Control comes in many forms. Sometimes all it takes is a look, like he was looking at her during the dancing video. Very creepy. Jmo

 

[Johnny1181]

I think the skullduggery has been put to an end once and for all.

Lol! I had to google skullduggery. It is now one of my favorite words, fun to say lol

 

[cailleach]

From the brief amount of attacks she received right after this happened (which I will not say was justified) before she went into hiding and wiped herself off SM, I have no doubt that coworkers who claimed it was common knowledge at the workplace reported it to LE. She may have come forth on her own as well knowing that people would talk. My guess is though that LE got a few calls as soon as the news of what had supposedly happened went public. Honestly, if I knew coworkers were having an affair and then one of their spouses and children vanished I'd call the police because these scenarios happen too often.

 

[?mysterian?]

That's good. Six years ago, the outgoing Mississippi governor pardoned 14 convicted murderers.

Outgoing Mississippi governor issues nearly 200 pardons - CNN

I think this would be an extremely long shot in this case and it wouldn't even be an issue for many years or even decades, probably, but stranger things have happened.

The Written Waiver and Guilty Plea https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...2018CR2003/Written Waiver and Guilty Plea.pdf CW signed has something at item 12 that's concerning. It looks like he can file a Notice of Appeal within 7 weeks of sentence. It also looks like he can seek a post-conviction reduction of sentence within 18 weeks. Maybe I've read this incorrectly. I hope so.

 

[Tranquileyes]

Many people seemed to think the fact that he wanted the separation, and told a friend he wanted to end the marriage, was evidence that somehow pointed towards Shanann becoming enraged that her "rock" was leaving her and led to her killing them. I looked at it as one more clue that he was setting up the scenario of her leaving with the kids. I don't think he planned on being caught so soon, so maybe he wasn't even thinking of her being accused of murdering the kids. Hard to say. But I do believe he started plotting to kill them when they were in NC. Imo

Agreed. Those 5 weeks were instrumental in the ultimate outcome. I didn't even know SW but based on her videos, she seemed to be a person that was independent and could handle things on her own, not someone who would break down and give up and kill her kids for that reason or even run off without telling anyone. She literally just got back from her parents home in NC. She could have easily leaned on them for support as well. And NUA also knew that so she knew something was amiss from the get go.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

It was a deliberate act to end the pregnancy, imo, since he would have known the baby would die. He could not possibly have killed her without knowing that.

Thanks, yes that is how I understood it too, not that he tried to do something specifically to her to end the pregnancy and he death was a byproduct of that act.

 

[k-mac]

way behind again.
such good news everyone.

my speculation about the premed confirmation is he drugged the kids before putting them to bed.... something showed up in the autopsy along those lines imo.
he had no where to go with his locked in narrative if the kids were over- dosed.

on the positive.
I am very glad bella and cece spent their last day on earth at a birthday party doing what kids do.
xoxo

 

[nwmouse]

Right. He immediately added, "I'll leave it at that," to control the conversation, not leaving any opportunity to ask further questions about it. Because there was no conversation. And some insisted he was not controlling... I think he was,and it was just very subtle. Control comes in many forms. Sometimes all it takes is a look, like he was looking at her during the dancing video. Very creepy. Jmo

He was totally controlling and manipulative.

Sometimes manipulators are able to pretend they are helpless and not in control which is all part of their game.

I think CW was excellent at controlling what he wanted to control.
The rest he left to his murdered pregnant wife so she would be seen as the "controller" and he could keep up the pretense of being the poor slapped husband, who couldn't catch a break.
All part of his tactics. Rotten lout!
MOO.

 

[MsBetsy]

CW has been presented as an introvert (I am sure he was on some level, hiding so many secrets and seemingly lacking the normal range of human emotions and empathy) but he managed to fairly aggressively go after SW after she initially turned him down. He decided he wanted her and that was that, he would not be thwarted. I would guess he was the same with AP, who (IMO) was going to give him a major financial leg up. This "introvert" also seemed quite interested in popping on camera when he was in the b.g. of SW's videos; he may have been awkward and stiff and a little clueless, but he appeared to like it. On his sham TV interviews, he seemed quite chatty, and actually the least stiff we have seen him; I think he was excited and pleased with himself. I don't think he is a true introvert at all. I think it's more that he was masked, had a hidden persona, whether it be his sexcapades, bisexuality, inner rage, aggression, resentment and hostility or just shame. His "talk" about relationships was mechanical bordering on idiotic. Nothing genuine or spontaneous or introverted about him. IMO MOO.

I think even the way he initiated and persued the relationship was controlling. He moved in on her when she was at a vulnerable time of her life. Her hero. I'm sure it made him hard to resist. And he enjoyed playing the role and being adored and admired. Maybe the reason she posted such wonderful things about her "rock" is because he complained that she didn't appreciate him anymore. Or didn't say those things enough. Or to compensate for the fact that she actually thought he was becoming annoying and a big bore. I don't think he could stand to be anything but the center of her universe. Maybe he could not stand that, and the anger and resentment began to build more and more until finally... well, I know this is all speculation so I won't go on. It makes sense to me but it's just an assumption. Jmo

 

[cailleach]

Thanks, yes that is how I understood it too, not that he tried to do something specifically to her to end the pregnancy and he death was a byproduct of that act.

He was fully aware that when he was killing her the baby would die too. He just wanted rid of them all.

 

[AbbyG]

I'm so behind on this thread but wanted to ask-- do we think CW possibly texted or called his AP as soon as those TV interviews were over? Or perhaps she could have called him and said she saw him on the news? Could that be how the police found out about her so quickly? I wonder what, if anything, he told his AP about why he was spending the night at the Thayers? Didn't they say he spent a lot of time on his phone? Was he texting with her all night from their house?
For some reason I never thought about this before. But I can see him thinking he had the police fooled, and thinking that he could do whatever he wanted and get away with it. JMO.

I will look for the post but I think it has been mentioned here that the affair was commonly known in his workplace. They apparently didn't try to hide it. MOO hope this is ok because I first read it here, will look for it.

 

[MsBetsy]

Thanks, yes that is how I understood it too, not that he tried to do something specifically to her to end the pregnancy and he death was a byproduct of that act.

Yes, I was confused about the wording of that too. I guess the important thing is that they wanted to make sure he was held accountable for little Nico's death, and they did!