Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #47

[MassGuy]

But - I don't know how you interpret the DA's word "partial" used in this context. Maybe, "we don't know what else pushed him to do it".

But maybe (and this is how I view it) "for 99.9% of people this reason would not be enough to kill a pregnant wife and two little girls".

So we still shall be left wondering, after the 19th, why, or how the heck that reason was the rationale to squeeze the life out of own daughters whom he raised...

And the truth is, it is some craziness that may defy any psychiatric diagnosis. Simply, if in these circumstances, a person makes a choice that most people would not even think of, it is craziness, only of some special sort. Not in the sense of mental illness, but in the sense of extreme deviation off the norm.

We’re never going to be satisfied with the motive, as whatever it turns out to be, it won’t fully explain his actions. It can obviously never justify them.

The DA will reveal what he thinks the motive to be, but he will be unlikely to satisfy anyone.

This DA strikes me as the type of guy who will give us all the answers he can, in regards to the questions we want to know.

Sometimes the evidence doesn’t lend itself to the complete picture though, which I think will be the case here.

 

[Johnny1181]

I totally agree and I want to know but fortunately for all of us we probably won't understand because it is incomprehensible what he did and there's no reason that will justify it or even explain why somebody with obviously heinous reasoning committed this evil!

Agree. I'm definitely not expecting an explanation for this horrific crime.
But I do hope that after all Shanann's name has been dragged through in the aftermath, who he truly is will be brought to the light of day. An evil, cheating, lying, manipulative FA. jmo

 

[Jennifer17]

Agree. I'm definitely not expecting an explanation for this horrific crime.
But I do hope that after all Shanann's name has been dragged through in the aftermath, who he truly is will be brought to the light of day. An evil, cheating, lying, manipulative FA. jmo

Agree.

 

[Charlot123]

I tend to agree with you. The only thing I really disagree with is Dylan Roof.

That haircut tells me that something is seriously wrong with him.

Would you believe that I rushed to look at his haircut, lol?

Adam Lanza had a similar haircut, btw.

 

[MassGuy]

Would you believe that I rushed to look at his haircut, lol?

Adam Lanza had a similar haircut, btw.

Haaaa. As creepy as Roof looked with this 90’s bowl haircut, nothing compares to that photo of Lanza.

 

[Only4Justice]

It's been mentioned that Shannan may have gone to NC as a trial separation of sorts. I have a hard time seeing this. IIRC, she and CW had their trip to San Diego right before, and it seems to me just a planned awesome trip back home to see her family.
Now what happened in those weeks she was away and he had "freedom" from his wife and babies is a different story. And it seems she did start to express concerns about his behavior after he came to visit. I'm so curious about their communications and his communications with the AP during that time.
Does anyone think text messages will be released after sentencing?

I definitely think there is evidence on both their phones.

 

[Johnny1181]

Haaaa. As creepy as Roof looked with this 90’s bowl haircut, nothing compares to that photo of Lanza.

Ha! Thanks for making me seek that photo out. So much for sweet dreams for me tonight.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Since Alexa is voice activated, I am hoping it picked up some of the crimes in progress......
One of the detectives on a Forensic Files show said that in the course of a good Police investigation, the " Clean get cleaner and the dirty get dirtier" - so I am also waiting to hear the dirt on this guy.

 

[Johnny1181]

The filing sealed due to HIPPA laws is still on my mind. I am 100% convinced it relates to CW and not Shannan as has been suggested. Unfortunately I don't think we'll ever see what it was. I think it was some attempt to mitigate CWs murderous actions, but I don't think we'll ever know.

 

[ZsaZsa]

The filing sealed due to HIPPA laws is still on my mind. I am 100% convinced it relates to CW and not Shannan as has been suggested. Unfortunately I don't think we'll ever see what it was. I think it was some attempt to mitigate CWs murderous actions, but I don't think we'll ever know.

Yes and it struck me as odd that the court can hear the findings of a psychiatric examination but this information, whatever it is, stays confidential.....

 

[Johnny1181]

Yes and it struck me as odd that the court can hear the findings of a psychiatric examination but this information, whatever it is, stays confidential.....

I'm not sure either, whatever the filing was, or if it had gone to trial if that would have changed. Perhaps gitana1 has insight.

 

[Charlot123]

In regards to your comment about Ted Bundy’s eyes and how they had “that” gleam, but then you appeared to doubt yourself so said “tons” of people have it...I am more inclined to agree with your first thought that there’s something to be said about it. Especially after cases like this. Where the person seemed so “normal”...but then there was SOMETHING about the eyes...I think that “gleam” that we don’t immediately label happiness,worry,sadness,excitement (because we can’t quite put a finger on it) is our instinct recognizing psychopathy,something missing,something sinister! I don’t know if I’m making any sense because this site makes my mind think a million things at once/morbidly excited lol but basically...I agree with your thought that a “gleam” (or even noticing something about someone’s eyes that you can’t name) means something. We’re just used to talking ourselves out of it and ignoring that tons of people have it. Until tragedies like this.

I think the “gleam” is the mood, high nervous energy; and this gleam might be predictive of the mood, but not of the thoughts or intentions.

We may see it and assume that the person is at the “height” of the mood and expect that there might be some changes in the behavior, but we can not predict the specific behavior. The behavior would be person-specific, not condition-specific. And the condition itself would probably fall into subcategories, I am sure.

Ted Bundy would go out on a hunt in this state. Another person would give life’s savings to the poor. Someone would run away with a newly found guy. Nietzsche would move to Vienna and write about his forthcoming conversation with God to the colleagues.

But speaking of CW - I do see this “gleam” in some photos, and multiple partners would not surprise me. Debts would not, either. Annihilating his family, however, is still linked to the way he thinks, not the mood.

 

[sun16]

The filing sealed due to HIPPA laws is still on my mind. I am 100% convinced it relates to CW and not Shannan as has been suggested. Unfortunately I don't think we'll ever see what it was. I think it was some attempt to mitigate CWs murderous actions, but I don't think we'll ever know.

Agree. Maybe it’s sexual-related or psychology-related. If anything other than that, would he even care about hiding his medical records? Who cares if he had maybe, say, asthma or a bad knee or high blood pressure or whatever. It must be something bigger.

 

[Tortoise]

Maybe they had marriage counselling and that is what it was about?

 

[sun16]

Maybe they had marriage counselling and that is what it was about?

Possible. But I think others (besides SW, CW and the Dr.) would have known. I think we’ve discussed before.

 

[Charlot123]

Agree. Maybe it’s sexual-related or psychology-related. If anything other than that, would he even care about hiding his medical records? Who cares if he had maybe, say, asthma or a bad knee or high blood pressure or whatever. It must be something bigger.

It can not be psychology-related in a big way, because to do neuropsychological tests would take time. If it were something obvious (e.g. psychosis), the public defenders would try to use it for insanity plea and they did not. Likewise, anything else that would be immediately obvious (e.g. seizures).

So it has to do with something that could be detected easily upon admission. Either physical exam or labwork or toxicology screen.

Lab work, btw, may not necessarily imply STD as some people assumed. An indication of an overactive thyroid or something like it might be a debatable issue, for example.

Or even, THC in urine given it is Colorado. Anything that could have dubious interpretation.

DNA was the thing I was thinking about a lot and decided that whatever it was, it could not explain him killing two daughters, so, irrelevant.

Or am I missing something and it was it about prior health records?

Then, anything that could not be used for the defense but some private condition that would cause humiliation if revealed. Or some of SW’s diagnoses. Even in the worst case scenario, it could not explain killing the girls, still.

 

[sun16]

Aren’t health care providers allowed to breach the HIPAA if it’s, say, injuries sustained during a crime? Any chance he’s trying to hide some injury from Sunday night? Would LE have inspected his body upon arrest, or is that not allowed without a bunch of red tape?

 

[sun16]

It can not be psychology-related in a big way, because to do neuropsychological tests would take time. If it were something obvious (e.g. psychosis), the public defenders would try to use it for insanity plea and they did not. Likewise, anything else that would be immediately obvious (e.g. seizures).

So it has to do with something that could be detected easily upon admission. Either physical exam or labwork or toxicology screen.

Lab work, btw, may not necessarily imply STD as some people assumed. An indication of an overactive thyroid or something like it might be a debatable issue, for example.

Or even, THC in urine given it is Colorado. Anything that could have dubious interpretation.

DNA was the thing I was thinking about a lot and decided that whatever it was, it could not explain him killing two daughters, so, irrelevant.

I hadn’t thought of pot or other drugs he might have taken to get thru that weekend, or however long.

 

[Charlot123]

I hadn’t thought of pot or other drugs he might have taken to get thru that weekend, or however long.

Pot or anything else.

It might be SW’s records, too. Example - lupus-cerebritis that could cause emotional changes. Then it would be sealed because the public is already against her. Not to provide them with more food to chew on.

But anyone reasonable would still ask, hey, your wife had problems, but why did you need to kill the girls?

So it does not work out either way.

 

[Johnny1181]

Pot or anything else.

It might be SW’s records, too. Example - lupus-cerebritis that could cause emotional changes. Then it would be sealed because the public is already against her. Not to provide them with more food to chew on.

But anyone reasonable would still ask, hey, your wife had problems, but why did you need to kill the girls?

So it does not work out either way.

I don't think it is information about Shanann filed under seal by the defense through HIPPA protection. #3 leads me to believe it was info about the killer himself.

Link
https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...al_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/D40.pdf

ETA there's no evidence that Shannan was experiencing emotional changes, had a lupus related condition that caused emotional changes, and it certainly is not evident at all that "the public is already against her". Certain members of the public seem to delight in dragging this loving wife, mother and friend through the mud but that does not represent a general public opinion. jmo