Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #47

[BrownRice]

I definitely think there is evidence on both their phones.

I agree. I bet that’s why the DA was so confident.

Again, CW was so stupid. He gave LE and the DAs office his evidence neatly wrapped with a bow.

 

[MintLeighf]

I think the “gleam” is the mood, high nervous energy; and this gleam might be predictive of the mood, but not of the thoughts or intentions.

We may see it and assume that the person is at the “height” of the mood and expect that there might be some changes in the behavior, but we can not predict the specific behavior. The behavior would be person-specific, not condition-specific. And the condition itself would probably fall into subcategories, I am sure.

Ted Bundy would go out on a hunt in this state. Another person would give life’s savings to the poor. Someone would run away with a newly found guy. Nietzsche would move to Vienna and write about his forthcoming conversation with God to the colleagues.

But speaking of CW - I do see this “gleam” in some photos, and multiple partners would not surprise me. Debts would not, either. Annihilating his family, however, is still linked to the way he thinks, not the mood.

Great response! You took my abstract thought and made it ALL the way comprehensible...
“annihilating his family, however, is still linked to the way he thinks, not the mood”. Amen.

 

[Charlot123]

I don't think it is information about Shanann filed under seal by the defense through HIPPA protection. #3 leads me to believe it was info about the killer himself.

Link
https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...al_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/D40.pdf

ETA there's no evidence that Shannan was experiencing emotional changes and it certainly is not evident at all that "the public is already against her". Certain members of the public seem to delight in dragging this loving wife, mother and friend through the mud but that does not represent a general public opinion. jmo

Anything. And it probably does not matter.

I was thinking of one situation when both the defendant side and the prosecution would agree to not disclose the records.

It would be not to disclose the diagnosis that would stigmatize a very huge group of people having the same condition but not being at risk of becoming killers or annihilators.

But the way it is written, it seems that no one cared about other people, only CW.

So my simplest guess is, some lab work. Won’t explain the kids either way. And won’t make him worse if we knew.

I know people are aghast at crude oil burial. To me, once he squeezed the life out of the first child he stopped being human. I don’t care where he buried them, even if he organized the best burial ever and cried a lot.

 

[WildWest]

ETA there's no evidence that Shannan was experiencing emotional changes, had a lupus related condition that caused emotional changes

I have to wonder if she might be feeling better about herself and grabbing life by the reigns after the difficult period of feeling sick then getting diagnosed and then waiting for the medicine(s) to kick in. From being sick and scared to happy and successful again. For all we know CW liked the sick and needy SW but not the happy and successful SW.

 

[Johnny1181]

Anything. And it probably does not matter.

I was thinking of one situation when both the defendant side and the prosecution would agree to not disclose the records.

It would be not to disclose the diagnosis that would stigmatize a very huge group of people having the same condition but not being at risk of becoming killers or annihilators.

But the way it is written, it seems that no one cared about other people, only CW.

So my simplest guess is, some lab work. Won’t explain the kids either way. And won’t make him worse if we knew.

I know people are aghast at crude oil burial. To me, once he squeezed the life out of the first child he stopped being human. I don’t care where he buried them, even if he organized the best burial ever and cried a lot.

I'm a bit confused... I'm sorry. I don't think you meant to quote my post with this response. If you did, I don't understand the response as it relates to my post

 

[liltexans]

Great podcast! Thanks @Tricia @gitana1 @liltexans and Levi (not sure if he's a member). Job well-done!

All of you did an excellent job of expressing the disgust and displeasure the majority of us felt with the most ardent CW defenders. As always, @gitana1 was flawless in her expression of the legal aspects of the plea with regard to the system being specifically designed to prevent successful claims on the part of the defendant in the future. Let's all hope everything goes as planned on the 19th, and we'll then come into some more information!

Kudos also to @Colorado303 for her decision to delay speaking to us until after the 19th. We'll be here waiting to hear from you when the time is right.

Thank you for your kind words. Yes, @Levi is a member here. We are lucky to have him and he has his own amazing podcast, called Crime and Scandal. If you've never listened before, you will get hooked!

 

[Johnny1181]

I have to wonder if she might be feeling better about herself and grabbing life by the reigns after the difficult period of feeling sick then getting diagnosed and then waiting for the medicine(s) to kick in. From being sick and scared to happy and successful again. For all we know CW liked the sick and needy SW but not the happy and successful SW.

You know, I agree. She was happy!
The best thing I have ever done for myself once going back to school was quitting SM... lol!
But I've looked at Shanann's SM here and she was so happy! She seemed to be thriving (no pun intended) on living life, being there for her babies, maintaining a home and supporting her husband. And inspiring others! Her posts are so inspirational. She seemed to genuinely delight in the success and happiness of others.

I agree. She had grabbed life by the reigns and was achieving her dreams and helping others achieve theirs. He couldn't take responsibility for her success. I suppose one of the many things that in his sick mind justified to him doing what he did. jmo

 

[Johnny1181]

Thank you for your kind words. Yes, @Levi is a member here. We are lucky to have him and he has his own amazing podcast, called Crime and Scandal. If you've never listened before, you will get hooked!

Thanks for posting this! He was so great as well but I had no idea how to find him. Great insights. Can't wait to listen to some of his podcasts. So much for studying... and dishes... and laundry... lol!

 

[ZsaZsa]

Anything. And it probably does not matter.

I was thinking of one situation when both the defendant side and the prosecution would agree to not disclose the records.

It would be not to disclose the diagnosis that would stigmatize a very huge group of people having the same condition but not being at risk of becoming killers or annihilators.

But the way it is written, it seems that no one cared about other people, only CW.

So my simplest guess is, some lab work. Won’t explain the kids either way. And won’t make him worse if we knew.

I know people are aghast at crude oil burial. To me, once he squeezed the life out of the first child he stopped being human. I don’t care where he buried them, even if he organized the best burial ever and cried a lot.

I do care where he disposed of them. Not enough that he sees fit to end their lives, he then has to strip every bit of dignity from them in death. He may have stopped being human when they died, but they did not.

 

[Johnny1181]

I do care where he disposed of them. Not enough that he sees fit to end their lives, he then has to strip every bit of dignity from them in death. He may have stopped being human when they died, but they did not.

This.

 

[cailleach]

Not by me, by his defenders.

Sorry for not reading it right! I know you're not a supporter of his and so I was thinking ??? I'm sure she doesn't mean that. lol

 

[cailleach]

Thank you for your kind words. Yes, @Levi is a member here. We are lucky to have him and he has his own amazing podcast, called Crime and Scandal. If you've never listened before, you will get hooked!

You're absolutely welcome! We do really appreciate the people who keep WS up and running. I've been a moderator in the past and am well aware this case has been a huge headache for all of you at times. I'll have to check out C&S since it sounds so good!

 

[Johnny1181]

Kind of off topic but not, Blaze Bernstein'a horrific murder is on 48 hours tonight. I am NOT trying to bring up this case here at all. It's way too much and way to horrific. And that is not what this thread is.

But it to me is an example of the defense dragging the victim's family through hell when the evidence is overwhelming against their client. Claiming a mental illness (which I think the HIPPA filing in this case attempted to do), pleading not guilty.

I am SO glad that Shanann's family is not going to be put through this hell. I am so glad the prosecutor stood firm in his charges, and the defense attorneys however they managed it, got the FA to sign his name to guilty of every charge as charged. jmo

 

[BeanieBod]

Are there any insurance experts among us? I have a question. Since there were life insurance policies through CW’s employer for Shanann and Bella, will these policies pay to their estates? Is Colorado law similar to other states in that a murderer can not benefit from his actions?

Also, for the attorneys, will he be prohibited from profiting from a book deal or selling his story for a movie?

 

[Tortoise]

Apart from the autopsies, would the prosecutor have disclosed other evidence to the defence yet? (prior to the plea deal)

CW agreed that they held enough evidence to convict him at trial.

 

[gitana1]

I really hope so! For some reason I just have a need for this "man" to be completely exposed for who he truly is.

Me too. And I think we will get almost all there is.

 

[Jennifer17]

Apart from the autopsies, would the prosecutor have disclosed other evidence to the defence yet? (prior to the plea deal)

CW agreed that they held enough evidence to convict him at trial.

I am pretty sure that defence has to be told all of the evidence.

ETA Gitana is here, she will tell us.

 

[Charlot123]

I'm a bit confused... I'm sorry. I don't think you meant to quote my post with this response. If you did, I don't understand the response as it relates to my post

@Johnny1181, did you add the latest paragraph later, or did I not notice it? I think it ended with the link, no? I clicked on it, started answering. Got distracted. The part about SW I see only now...

My answer is not about SW. Now that I am reading Shanann part, I agree, though, I should say not “the public” but “some public on the social media”.

What I meant in the post - really, who cares what is in his medical records? There might be some aggravating facts, or something random. I now think it is random, trivial, but related to his sexual activity. And totally irrelevant in the light of the murders.

CW as the person before the day of the killings is honestly, not important. Whatever illnesses or conditions he had are irrelevant to me, except for something that could have teaching value for all of us in the future. In the big scheme of events, I don’t care if he cheated, and what gender he preferred.

What makes him subhuman is that he killed his family. Two girls and a pregnant woman. And as we now know, planned it. This is what seals his fate. I never doubted it was him.

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Simple review of my posts shows that I never ever doubted he killed them all.

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[gitana1]

Are there any insurance experts among us? I have a question. Since there were life insurance policies through CW’s employer for Shanann and Bella, will these policies pay to their estates? Is Colorado law similar to other states in that a murderer can not benefit from his actions?

Also, for the attorneys, will he be prohibited from profiting from a book deal or selling his story for a movie?

I'm not an insurance expert. They should pay to Shanann's estate. Because that's basic probate stuff.

In CO criminals can't profit from their crimes.

 

[Johnny1181]

Are there any insurance experts among us? I have a question. Since there were life insurance policies through CW’s employer for Shanann and Bella, will these policies pay to their estates? Is Colorado law similar to other states in that a murderer can not benefit from his actions?

Also, for the attorneys, will he be prohibited from profiting from a book deal or selling his story for a movie?

I'm no expert but spent a huge part of my life in insurance and investments.

If there are policies in place for Shannan, Bella, and CeCe their murderer cannot be the beneficiary.

In general, there may be contingent beneficiaries. Someone elected to receive the benefits if the primary beneficiary dies as well, or in this case, is murderer of the insured. If there is insurance and a contingent beneficiary was named, they would receive the benefits.

Otherwise, Shanann's estate would receive the proceeds of any insurance. jmo