Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #48

[MCDRAW]

Agree even though I don't like what they are putting SW's family through. CW's parents have been left completely in the dark and have been blindsided by everything. They are hoping against hope that by defending their son, they can somehow help him before sentencing.

At least his dad said he just wants the truth and he will accept his son killed his grandchildren if that's what the evidence shows. And once the autopsies and other evidence is released, his whole family needs to understand that CW was solely to blame for all of it.

I agree they think they are supporting him and I don't have a problem with that. Just in the way they are choosing to do so. There is enough evidence out there that they are not completely in the dark. I have no doubt they are in denial. What his father said, I just want the truth. if he killed them, I can live with that. If not, I want him to fight. I don't think they understand that there must be a ton of very good evidence against him if his defense team told him it was a good idea to plea. CW knows the evidence against him. He is a 33 year old man that was smart enough to hide his little girls in oil tanks. I believe he is intelligent enough to decide whether he should plea or not. I honestly, do feel bad for his family but they are making themselves look terrible and harder and harder for me to find sympathy for them. JMO

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

BBM Right there, that seems to be CW getting back at his parents. A little cruel to have them hear it like that. Yet, they blame everyone and the kitchen sink for his plea.

Help me out, I’ve googled with no success - what does BBM stand for?

 

[Madison418]

But its not always both parents and one 'good' parent doesn't necessarily cancel out the 'bad' parent. Sometimes, it just a simple matter of copying what one parent does as they don't see any other way.

True. It's tough any way you look at it. And I reiterate that his parents bear no responsibility for what Chris has done. I'm sure they couldn't imagine in their worst nightmares anything like this would ever happen. I think they're in shock. I do find their lack of empathy and support for SW and family quite off-putting however. Especially since SW's brother encouraged people to extend their sympathies to CWs family. All IMO

 

[PommyMommy]

Christopher Watts' mother: Rescind guilty plea in deaths of daughters, wife

Christopher Watts’ mother says her son was coerced by his lawyers into pleading guilty to murdering his wife and two daughters, and that he should withdraw his pleas and contest the charges — especially the killing of his two girls, which she believes he didn’t commit.

“I know he confessed, but he was railroaded into it,” Cynthia Watts, of Spring Lake, N.C., said Monday in regard to her son’s guilty pleas in the murders of his 34-year-old wife, Shanann, and daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3. “I want him to take back the plea deal.”

Denver attorney H. Michael Steinberg said that if Christopher Watts wishes to withdraw his guilty plea, it is possible the judge would consider that before his sentencing, which is scheduled for Monday. But he would have to offer a better explanation than just the fact that he changed his mind. One possibly valid reason would be that Christopher Watts has not received a psychological evaluation, Steinberg said.

“That would be a significant issue. This case is so high profile the judge may want to make sure everything was done appropriately,” Steinberg said.

 

[NuttMegg]

Help me out, I’ve googled with no success - what does BBM stand for?

LOL it's supposed to mean bolded by me, but maybe I have it wrong.

 

[Kadoober]

I am pages behind, and I don't have the intestinal fortitude to watch the interviews right now... but I saw red at this:

“After the fact with the bodies, he said, ‘Dad, I could not put the girls with her after what she did — I could not put her with her’”.

Obvious absurdity aside... I have to wonder if this is an accurate quote from CW, or a slip from Papa CW.
Either way - I'm pissed.

'I could not put her with THEM'
He had TWO daughters.

And I understand, what with him putting each of his daughters in a separate tank, that he couldn't have possibly put Shanann with both of them. I don't care.
Shanann had two daughters. Bella and CeCe.
His kid had two daughters.

Ugh.

 

[Davia18]

I'm starting to get the feeling there will not be a sentencing on Monday

 

[Nikynoo]

Can someone link the interview or article where Cindy says she wasn’t allowed to discuss the plea during her 30 minute time with Chris and the source of her pleading with Chris not to take a plea while in the courtroom? Are we sure these two things aren’t being confused? I know I am.

I think the confusion came from the podcasts. My understanding that Cw's mother did not raise this in court and this is for seveal reasons, one including that the judge would not allow such an outburst and 2, if it happened in open court, it would have been reported.
This is where his mother says that she was shut down and not allowed to discuss the plea deal. - Chris Watts' parents break their silence after son's guilty plea in murder of wife, daughters

 

[Nikynoo]

I'm starting to get the feeling there will not be a sentencing on Monday

I think there will be. The DA seemed confident.

 

[NuttMegg]

I am pages behind, and I don't have the intestinal fortitude to watch the interviews right now... but I saw red at this:

“After the fact with the bodies, he said, ‘Dad, I could not put the girls with her after what she did — I could not put her with her’”.

Obvious absurdity aside... I have to wonder if this is an accurate quote from CW, or a slip from Papa CW.
Either way - I'm pissed.

'I could not put her with THEM'
He had TWO daughters.

And I understand, what with him putting each of his daughters in a separate tank, that he couldn't have possibly put Shanann with both of them. I don't care.
Shanann had two daughters. Bella and CeCe.
His ******* kid had two daughters.

Ugh.

I noted the same thing and listened to it again, I think he actually said "I could not put them with her". It's hard to understand him.

 

[Madison418]

I'm starting to get the feeling there will not be a sentencing on Monday

I'm getting a little worried for that as well

 

[Nikynoo]

I am pages behind, and I don't have the intestinal fortitude to watch the interviews right now... but I saw red at this:

“After the fact with the bodies, he said, ‘Dad, I could not put the girls with her after what she did — I could not put her with her’”.

Obvious absurdity aside... I have to wonder if this is an accurate quote from CW, or a slip from Papa CW.
Either way - I'm pissed.

'I could not put her with THEM'
He had TWO daughters.

And I understand, what with him putting each of his daughters in a separate tank, that he couldn't have possibly put Shanann with both of them. I don't care.
Shanann had two daughters. Bella and CeCe.
His ******* kid had two daughters.

Ugh.

It's a misquote - he did say them in the interview.

 

[Davia18]

I think there will be. The DA seemed confident.

I hope your right

 

[Seattle1]

Help me out, I’ve googled with no success - what does BBM stand for?

Bold by me

 

[Best of What's Around]

BBM
I'm sorry - but I have to ask - how do you know that? I'm genuinely interested to know.

Because it is his right to talk to his parents and family and he refuses to do so. He is not in a black ops site being hidden away from the world. If he wanted to talk to his family, he would be. The only other reason would be to create a vast conspiracy theory that he is having his rights trampled by the State, which I find so far fetched in a high profile case like this to not be worth mentioning. IMO

 

[NuttMegg]

Christopher Watts' mother: Rescind guilty plea in deaths of daughters, wife

Christopher Watts’ mother says her son was coerced by his lawyers into pleading guilty to murdering his wife and two daughters, and that he should withdraw his pleas and contest the charges — especially the killing of his two girls, which she believes he didn’t commit.

“I know he confessed, but he was railroaded into it,” Cynthia Watts, of Spring Lake, N.C., said Monday in regard to her son’s guilty pleas in the murders of his 34-year-old wife, Shanann, and daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3. “I want him to take back the plea deal.”

Denver attorney H. Michael Steinberg said that if Christopher Watts wishes to withdraw his guilty plea, it is possible the judge would consider that before his sentencing, which is scheduled for Monday. But he would have to offer a better explanation than just the fact that he changed his mind. One possibly valid reason would be that Christopher Watts has not received a psychological evaluation, Steinberg said.

“That would be a significant issue. This case is so high profile the judge may want to make sure everything was done appropriately,” Steinberg said.

But is that a fact that he has not received a psych eval, or is the attorney saying IF he has not.

 

[MCDRAW]

Disgraceful and unbelievable but to admit to their sons complete guilt is to admit that they are responsible for bringing a monster into the world..

I have always told my children that their actions are their own. As parents we teach our children right from wrong, its up to them to do what's right. I do think there are learned behaviors. I also believe, from their interview, that he learned, it's okay as long as you have a reason. I hope they didn't somehow put the idea in his head. Not saying that they meant to, but who knows where the idea came from. It all started with an idea. But at the end of the day, CW and CW alone was responsible for the death of his wife and 3 children. The facts won't change just because his family is in denial.

 

[Mitch11]

Yes, they were, for some reason their son has decided he did not want to communicate with them.
Attorneys are not allowed to dictate who their clients communicate with. I understand the shock of getting that phone call that there is going to be a hearing. Their son is pleading guilty when they have been posturing from the beginning that their daughter in law is the guilty party and the cause for all of this.

I recall that over the last few months the media reported that CW didn't want to see his parents.

If this is true..

It makes sense. He's been caught out by the evidence stacked against him by the prosecution. He wouldn't want to see his parents who would be asking questions. As he would have to continue to lie. Then once the autopsy and all the other evidence comes out he will be proven to be lying.

If we think of CW as one big 'stuck' kid in an enmeshed relationship with his parents, it's one thing to lie once when caught by police. It's a whole other thing to continue telling extravagant lies for months of end to his parents only to be found out.

Again if the reports are true that he doesn't want to see his parents.. I would say it has a lot to do with his shame and guilt. He has been unmasked. How on earth does anyone front up as the person who killed their grandchildren. Of all the crimes one can commit, its offences against children that are really condemned.

As much as I don't want it to be the case, I hope there is some damming evidence in the autopsies that will disprove all the CW supporters once and for all.

 

[Nikynoo]

Christopher Watts' mother: Rescind guilty plea in deaths of daughters, wife

Christopher Watts’ mother says her son was coerced by his lawyers into pleading guilty to murdering his wife and two daughters, and that he should withdraw his pleas and contest the charges — especially the killing of his two girls, which she believes he didn’t commit.

“I know he confessed, but he was railroaded into it,” Cynthia Watts, of Spring Lake, N.C., said Monday in regard to her son’s guilty pleas in the murders of his 34-year-old wife, Shanann, and daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3. “I want him to take back the plea deal.”

Denver attorney H. Michael Steinberg said that if Christopher Watts wishes to withdraw his guilty plea, it is possible the judge would consider that before his sentencing, which is scheduled for Monday. But he would have to offer a better explanation than just the fact that he changed his mind. One possibly valid reason would be that Christopher Watts has not received a psychological evaluation, Steinberg said.

“That would be a significant issue. This case is so high profile the judge may want to make sure everything was done appropriately,” Steinberg said.

Thanks for this - great find. Do you think the psych eval has already been undertaken? Could this have been the HIPPA issue?

 

[Best of What's Around]

No, I dont think you understand my point, but thats fine.

It has nothing to do with the DP or evidence IMO. CW's just 'done' with it. He's pleaded guilty, so that's that!

This response does not make sense to me. But that is fine, too.