Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #48

[PommyMommy]

I don't think that they ever will. They will interpret the information differently or still come up with some excuse that it was her fault.

I agree. It was Shanann's fault they moved to Colorado. It was Shanann's fault that CW changed. It was Shanann's fault that CW killed her. It's the PD's fault that CW pleaded guilty. In the eyes of his parents, it will always be someone else's fault for what CW has done. MOO

 

[tmar]

But next week will be different!

Yes.
Next week will be totally different.
We will have the sentencing, the DA's evidence and the partial motive, the autopsy reports.
No amount of back ground chatter denying this, will mask these facts.
MOO.

 

[erik28]

Firstly, the egregious victim-blaming and perpetrator-minimizing headlines generated by the Watts' recent interviews are horrifying. Not just for friends and families of the victims, but for all victims impacted by domestic violence, they are chilling and silencing.

Secondly, any legal professionals worth a damn are not listening to a word or reading a headline these people are quoted as saying outside of the sentencing hearing. It is one thing to give an interview from your livingroom to a news outlet and quite another to stand in person in the same room with grieving survivors and the judge and repeat the same sentiments.

At the sentencing hearing, it is very likely that the judge will make statements directly to surviving family members and the defendant, in response to the crimes charged and impact statements (if) presented verbally or in writing. Those are the words that would have the most value when it comes to understanding who is accountable for the murders in this case. Not only will the judge have more access to the facts and evidence in the case, he or she will also have an unfortunate level of familiarity with these types of matters that far surpasses that of the general public. Judges have seen it all and heard it all. They are not easily manipulated or fooled, and they choose their words wisely.

Both sets of families are surviving victims. But there is no call, especially after the guilty pleas by C.W., for his family to use media outlets to contest his case. This is a legal matter. Their public statements have no impact on his case. Without presenting any evidence that anyone else is truly guilty of the crimes he has plead to, simply naming another potential perpetrator would account to slander/libel if that person were still living, which can arise to criminal offense in its own right.

I truly despair at this turn and agree with other posters that it is likely motivated by the financial interests of social media players and possibly hopeful ex facto defense lawyers. Please do let the interviews be misguided rather than calculated attempts to further harm the memory of the victims, haunt the days of surviving family members, and interfere with the course of justice.

 

[Colorado303]

Thanks for your great comments Lore Listener.
After this outburst by CW's parents going public, they will have time to reflect.
I hope they read these articles, and perhaps close friends speak to them, about their attitude as portrayed to SW's family and to the world.
Perhaps there will be an apology by CW's parents quite soon.
MOO.

I can't think of anything on this planet that could happen to make these people apologize. Even if they are proven wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt, they will defend their actions. The best we can hope for is they just shut up and go away.

 

[tmar]

Tricia, your message just warmed my heart which I didn't think was possible. Thank you!

Colorado.
You have warmed all our hearts here, in case you haven't realized.
Thank you, for being a wonderful friend to SW.

 

[Marli61]

Awesome grandparents, huh? Most grandparents (in my experience anyway) are even more affectionate and emotionally involved with the grandchildren than their adult children. These monsters seem to have forgotten they even had grandchildren. Only worried about pooooor victim CW.

I cannot even fathom losing my grandbabies, let alone at the hands of my own son.

 

[RachB65]

Perhaps that was part of their first approach? I really want to know what the first offer was!

Well if that was the case then the Prosecution would have had him evaluated by a therapist THEY chose. Again, if it had been in CW's favor it would have been part of the plea agreement somehow

 

[MassGuy]

I can't think of anything on this planet that could happen to make these people apologize. Even if they are proven wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt, they will defend their actions. The best we can hope for is they just shut up and go away.

Exactly. Even if they come to terms with the fact that CW killed them all, they’d just shift the blame to Shanann for abusing him, and pushing him to kill.

I’m fully convinced that they will never see this for what it is:

A brutal crime perpetrated by their son, against truly innocent victims.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I cannot even fathom losing my grandbabies, let alone at the hands of my own son.

Can you imagine? If my son killed my grandchildren he would fear my wrath more than he would fear the legal system I think. One thing's for sure, he would not come to me and expect sympathy.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

I believe you might be correct.

I agree, I visited their site, their following is up to 1000, which is mini duke compared to other podcasts. They are seizing the opportunity to build their business which is ok but their choice of using an anti victim platform is disheartening and feeding the mob.

 

[katydid23]

I'm still confused, Ronnie Watts says that Chris was crying and upset "THAT NIGHT": "The story he told me that night, I believed it: The way he looked at me, the way he was crying, I believed it,” Ronnie recounted.

So what story did CW tell RW on the way back from the airport?

It seems like they sure pick and choose amongst all the "truths" CW has shoveled out.

And how the heck could Chris have told his Dad about not placing the girls with their mother at the dump site on that night? The bodies had not yet been found by LE. Did Chris tell his father the girls were in the oil tanks before he confessed to police?

Why wouldn't the Dad have told LE where the bodies were at that time?

 

[MassGuy]

And how the heck could Chris have told his Dad about not placing the girls with their mother at the dump site? The bodies had not yet been found by LE. Did Chris tell his father the girls were in the oil tanks before he confessed to police?

Why wouldn't the Dad have told LE where the bodies were at that time?

Yeah. This appears to be revisionist history.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

No, I dont think you understand my point, but thats fine.

It has nothing to do with the DP or evidence IMO. CW's just 'done' with it. He's pleaded guilty, so that's that!

But how do you know that? We don't KNOW this to be true. It's almost like you're saying he didn't do it, he just wants it over with. I'd like to know how you've come to that conclusion.

 

[Jennifer17]

And how the heck could Chris have told his Dad about not placing the girls with their mother at the dump site on that night? The bodies had not yet been found by LE. Did Chris tell his father the girls were in the oil tanks before he confessed to police?

Why wouldn't the Dad have told LE where the bodies were at that time?

Yes. I truly believe that the body of this conversation has been crafted since his arrest and the actual conversation.

 

[Only4Justice]

"Monday evening, the parents of Chris Watts gave an interview in which they attempted to defend their son. In doing so, they felt the need to make vicious, grotesque and utterly false statements about Shanann. Their false statements, however hurtful and inaccurate, will never alter the truth about Shanann, and will never alter the truth about the crimes committed by their son, Chris Watts." (Shanann's parents' statement, from the Fox31 article)

Every once in a while, you hear about a really great person having been raised by terrible parents or a complete sociopath who's parents were decent people and truly did their best. CLEARLY, that is not the case here. CW's mother is, without question, a controlling narcissist and exactly the type of person who would naturally raise a family annihilator. Her comments are beyond irrational and disgusting. Did she even express regret about her beautiful grandchildren? Or just herself and her precious boy whom she she sees as an extension of herself? Shanann's parents, on the other hand, have been so strong, classy and gracious. Everything about this case is just heartbreaking. The Watts family has destroyed so many beautiful lives.

Why didn’t she mention Bella and CeCe by name? I’m confused lol. Cmon.

 

[NuttMegg]

And how the heck could Chris have told his Dad about not placing the girls with their mother at the dump site on that night? The bodies had not yet been found by LE. Did Chris tell his father the girls were in the oil tanks before he confessed to police?

Why wouldn't the Dad have told LE where the bodies were at that time?

IMO Dad got it from SM and forgot that the bodies had not been located yet, during that meeting with CW.

 

[Nikynoo]

Can you imagine? If my son killed my grandchildren he would fear my wrath more than he would fear the legal system I think. One thing's for sure, he would not come to me and expect sympathy.

I'm with you on the first part, I would love him but never forgive......

 

[Nikynoo]

And how the heck could Chris have told his Dad about not placing the girls with their mother at the dump site on that night? The bodies had not yet been found by LE. Did Chris tell his father the girls were in the oil tanks before he confessed to police?

Why wouldn't the Dad have told LE where the bodies were at that time?

I think one (the chat with dad) immediately preceded the other (the chat with LE).

 

[ZsaZsa]

And how the heck could Chris have told his Dad about not placing the girls with their mother at the dump site on that night? The bodies had not yet been found by LE. Did Chris tell his father the girls were in the oil tanks before he confessed to police?

Why wouldn't the Dad have told LE where the bodies were at that time?

Dad came in on the 15th, right? CW was arrested that night. IIRC in their original statement, LE said they had found the body of SW and had strong reason to believe they had located the bodies of Bella and Celeste. So does that mean they found SW because the drone showed the sheet, and the grave, and then CW told them where the girls were after talking to Dad?

 

[NuttMegg]

I think one (the chat with dad) immediately preceded the other (the chat with LE).

Well I can't picture CW telling Dad face to face that he dumped the little girls in crude oil. Nope.