Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #53

[MassGuy]

I was thinking more along the lines of what he did to their deceased bodies to fit them in the oil tanks.

That’s what I think.

I’m assuming that damage would have been inflicted when he stuffed them through those tiny openings.

I absolutely don’t believe that they were dismembered, or anything along those lines.

 

[k-mac]

I'm not sure how many blanks will be filled in during sentencing. The most interesting things may be during Rourke's presser afterwards.

Im against the norm in the morning im not getting up lol.
Im most interested in Rourke's presser too.

 

[MCDRAW]

Agreed. For me it’s about justice, but also about filling in some of the blanks.

We’ve been following this case for a few months, and many of the answers that we have been seeking will all come at once.

That just doesn’t happen with any regularity.

I just hope that everything goes as planned, and we get close to the truth.

I really think it is just so hard to believe because they seemed so ordinary. Even now, no one has come forward and said I saw a red flag where CW was concerned. I need to have more pieces of the puzzle to make any sense of this. I still don't think it will make sense but I need something. I'm already suspicious of every person my kids date.

 

[JudgeJudi]

Oh my, so many Aussie mates on this board. I have traveled to Sydney numerous times. Good memories. Delicious Kiwis (taste different than here in the US), and Singapore noodles (strange but true, in Sydney).

Sorry you guys have to wake up so early or stay up late to catch the sentencing live.

O/T I saw a show on YouTube a few days ago of Americans commenting on our food. The one thing they all loved was pavlova.

I wish I had some to get me through the early hours. It will be off to bed an hour or two after dinner.

 

[Layla123]

I'm not sure about "bad things" but I will guess that at that point. they knew they were going to try for a plea deal. JMO

I’m no defense attorney, but if I were I’d pull every trick out of my hat to get those “bad things” suppressed if there are any in there.

 

[Jennifer17]

O/T I saw a show on YouTube a few days ago of Americans commenting on our food. The one thing they all loved was pavlova.

I wish I had some to get me through the early hours. It will be off to bed an hour or two after dinner.

Don't let the Kiwis hear you say that!

 

[Jennifer17]

I’m no defense attorney, but if I were I’d pull every trick out of my hat to get those “bad things” suppressed if there are any in there.

Maybe take a guilty plea to leave that out? That has crossed my mind although I did not want to go there.

 

[mtnlites]

What kind of special idiot would tell someone they would get over that? You never get over that terrible loss. All you can do is very slowly adapt to life without them.

Those of us who have lost kids could turn you upside down with the things people say. Some personally said to me:

- Think of the money you'll save on college now.
- At least he was young so you didn't have time to get attached!
- Why are you still sad? It's been almost a month.
- I know EXACTLY how you feel. When my girlfriend lost her guinea pig, she was a mess.
- Oh, I'm sorry. Did you just not get him help when he needed it or something?
- Well, at least you still have your other son. (Yeah, thank goodness I had that backup child!)
- Can't you just, like, have another kid or something? (Yes, because they are interchangeable like that.)

The truth is, there is never any real closure. The stages of grief are nonlinear and they never end. Acceptance may last for years and years and then you can wind right back up in anger again. The trial won't offer closure on the tragedy, but it WILL provide closure on the trial that was hanging over their heads. That's worth a lot.

 

[MassGuy]

I really think it is just so hard to believe because they seemed so ordinary. Even now, no one has come forward and said I saw a red flag where CW was concerned. I need to have more pieces of the puzzle to make any sense of this. I still don't think it will make sense but I need something. I'm already suspicious of every person my kids date.

Haaa. It’s important to be aware, but there’s a fine line between being suspicious, and being paranoid.

The problem with cases like this, is that there sometimes aren’t any observable warning signs.

This guy was likely a sociopath/narcissist, and projected an image of himself that he wanted people to see.

His relationships were likely superficial, and no one really knew him.

That’s what makes guys like him so scary.

Fortunately they are rare, atleast in regards to people like him who commit crimes like this.

 

[MCDRAW]

That’s what I think.

I’m assuming that damage would have been inflicted when he stuffed them through those tiny openings.

I absolutely don’t believe that they were dismembered, or anything along those lines.

I have worried about him drugging them and thinking they were dead when he put them in the tanks. I hope that isn't it, but I believe there is some kind of evidence, that has him and he knew it. I don't believe he would have pled otherwise. It appears he never had to worry about the evidence swaying his family. So the only reason to plea would be he knew he could very well get the death penalty. All JMO.

 

[k-mac]

You mean you would think he would want to PRETEND to want to stay there in case they were found or came home. He knew they would do neither because he killed them.

I think NUA prematurely calling it really blew it for him.
his mind struggled with coming to terms with so much already without having to adapt on the fly and still hold it together and look sexy and cool for the AP. (I feel ridiculous saying that but I seen it on the porch with my own eyes )
huge red flags like this were missed by him to our advantage thankfully.

 

[MCDRAW]

Haaa. It’s important to be aware, but there’s a fine line between being suspicious, and being paranoid.

The problem with cases like this, is that there sometimes aren’t any observable warning signs.

This guy was likely a sociopath/narcissist, and projected an image of himself that he wanted people to see.

His relationships were likely superficial, and no one really knew him.

That’s what makes guys like him so scary.

Fortunately they are rare, atleast in regards to people like him who commit crimes like this.

Oh my kids will tell you I'm paranoid. I will say that they are too trusting. Either way they never seem to listen.

 

[katydid23]

↑Seattle1 :
As victims to the crime, State of Colorado has covered their airfare and lodging expenses.

ETA: Just another example of Cindy's vileness, during the last hearing, it was said that she had a fit when she arrived and found herself booked by the State at the same hotel as the Rzucek's.
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The only family that had a right to have a fit about the housing situation was Shanann's.

 

[MCDRAW]

I’m no defense attorney, but if I were I’d pull every trick out of my hat to get those “bad things” suppressed if there are any in there.

Like I said I don't know about "bad things". I just don't see any other reason for his plea other than he knew they had the evidence against him to get the death penalty. JMO

 

[Jennifer17]

Those of us who have lost kids could turn you upside down with the things people say. Some personally said to me:

- Think of the money you'll save on college now.
- At least he was young so you didn't have time to get attached!
- Why are you still sad? It's been almost a month.
- I know EXACTLY how you feel. When my girlfriend lost her guinea pig, she was a mess.
- Oh, I'm sorry. Did you just not get him help when he needed it or something?
- Well, at least you still have your other son. (Yeah, thank goodness I had that backup child!)
- Can't you just, like, have another kid or something? (Yes, because they are interchangeable like that.)

The truth is, there is never any real closure. The stages of grief are nonlinear and they never end. Acceptance may last for years and years and then you can wind right back up in anger again. The trial won't offer closure on the tragedy, but it WILL provide closure on the trial that was hanging over their heads. That's worth a lot.

I didn't have anyone say those really trivial things to me, but I had one good friend who said to me, that she would kill herself if she lost one her children because she loved them so much she could not bear it.

And here I was still alive which obviously meant that she loved her children more that I did. That really hurt.

 

[MCDRAW]

You mean you would think he would want to PRETEND to want to stay there in case they were found or came home. He knew they would do neither because he killed them.

YES!!! You know to make people think he didn't kill them.

 

[kiwilaura]

O/T I saw a show on YouTube a few days ago of Americans commenting on our food. The one thing they all loved was pavlova.

I wish I had some to get me through the early hours. It will be off to bed an hour or two after dinner.

Oi! Pavlova’s ours!!

 

[katydid23]

MRS all but confirmed that The Watts family was their source. Jay posted that the fall out was due to Kay accusing her of going to Radar for the money and separating Kay from the Watts family. Jay will no longer be a part of MRS.

Wow. I knew it was all about the money with that Radar story. Not surprised, one bit.

 

[Marli61]

I have worried about him drugging them and thinking they were dead when he put them in the tanks. I hope that isn't it, but I believe there is some kind of evidence, that has him and he knew it. I don't believe he would have pled otherwise. It appears he never had to worry about the evidence swaying his family. So the only reason to plea would be he knew he could very well get the death penalty. All JMO.

The thing that had kept me from thinking that is the 3 counts of tampering with a dead body... but now rethinking it... the autopsies weren't in yet when he was charged. Would they have amended the charges or how does that work?
Edited to add: There would possibly have been oil in their lungs if they weren't dead.

 

[Jennifer17]

I’m no defense attorney, but if I were I’d pull every trick out of my hat to get those “bad things” suppressed if there are any in there.

The only thing that they could do would get it redacted from the autopsies. It would still be there but not for public view.