Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #53

[Jennifer17]

Oi! Pavlova’s ours!!

Ongoing argument!

 

[AbbyG]

I have worried about him drugging them and thinking they were dead when he put them in the tanks. I hope that isn't it, but I believe there is some kind of evidence, that has him and he knew it. I don't believe he would have pled otherwise. It appears he never had to worry about the evidence swaying his family. So the only reason to plea would be he knew he could very well get the death penalty. All JMO.

This has been mentioned before, I know it's the stuff of nightmares, but I say there is no chance the girls were alive at that point; the charges of desecrating three deceased bodies indicates that is just not the scenario. It's cold comfort I know but rest assured he had already killed them before putting them in those oily graves.

 

[MCDRAW]

Those of us who have lost kids could turn you upside down with the things people say. Some personally said to me:

- Think of the money you'll save on college now.
- At least he was young so you didn't have time to get attached!
- Why are you still sad? It's been almost a month.
- I know EXACTLY how you feel. When my girlfriend lost her guinea pig, she was a mess.
- Oh, I'm sorry. Did you just not get him help when he needed it or something?
- Well, at least you still have your other son. (Yeah, thank goodness I had that backup child!)
- Can't you just, like, have another kid or something? (Yes, because they are interchangeable like that.)

The truth is, there is never any real closure. The stages of grief are nonlinear and they never end. Acceptance may last for years and years and then you can wind right back up in anger again. The trial won't offer closure on the tragedy, but it WILL provide closure on the trial that was hanging over their heads. That's worth a lot.

People that have never been in grief have no idea. I always pray I don't say the wrong thing.
I had several people tell me after my brother died of an overdose that I should have known he would die so it shouldn't hurt so bad. Well, no I didn't. I always had hope he would get clean and stay clean. There are lots of car wrecks, accidents happen every day, I still get in a car and never think about it. After the third person said that to me, I went on Facebook and told people to beware. The next person that said that to me, I was breaking their nose.
They may have thought it but no one else said it to me.

 

[Jennifer17]

Oi! Pavlova’s ours!!

And I thought that we said 'Oi' and you say 'ay'.

 

[AbbyG]

YES!!! You know to make people think he didn't kill them.

He seemed to want to justify his desire to stay there alone the first night, not wanting others around and keeping the lights on all night -- as has been conjectured, he was probably cleaning and putting things in order.

 

[k-mac]

Those of us who have lost kids could turn you upside down with the things people say. Some personally said to me:

- Think of the money you'll save on college now.
- At least he was young so you didn't have time to get attached!
- Why are you still sad? It's been almost a month.
- I know EXACTLY how you feel. When my girlfriend lost her guinea pig, she was a mess.
- Oh, I'm sorry. Did you just not get him help when he needed it or something?
- Well, at least you still have your other son. (Yeah, thank goodness I had that backup child!)
- Can't you just, like, have another kid or something? (Yes, because they are interchangeable like that.)

The truth is, there is never any real closure. The stages of grief are nonlinear and they never end. Acceptance may last for years and years and then you can wind right back up in anger again. The trial won't offer closure on the tragedy, but it WILL provide closure on the trial that was hanging over their heads. That's worth a lot.

OMG...ignorance
this makes me really angry


I wish we could get a hearts emoticon.
blow kisses

im glad your boy existed . and im glad that we ...here...know he existed

must be very difficult mtnlites
xoxoxoxoxo ( ((group hugs))))

 

[MCDRAW]

This has been mentioned before, I know it's the stuff of nightmares, but I say there is no chance the girls were alive at that point; the charges of desecrating three deceased bodies indicates that is just not the scenario. It's cold comfort I know but rest assured he had already killed them before putting them in those oily graves.

I have hoped not. Of course, I wish none of this would have happened. It makes you wonder how someone could go from A to Z and not take a different route. There were so many other choices.

 

[JudgeJudi]

Gitana you've been right so far so I think you could be right on this! Did you see the post that Mr. Watts will be attending the hearing? I wonder if that means Cindy won't be there?

No matter what they say, I truly hope they apologize to Shanann's family!

Their apologies will mean nothing to me. It's not as though MrsW has given only interview. She was the one that approached the media multiple times. Her story remained unchanged, and it was a hate-filled message at that. She could barely bring herself to mention Shan'ann's name. She thought, "What has SHE done". OMG. I have no words for her words, none. An apology from the monster ... no thanks. He's shown NO remorse whatsoever.

 

[JDough]

He seemed to want to justify his desire to stay there alone the first night, not wanting others around and keeping the lights on all night -- as has been conjectured, he was probably cleaning and putting things in order.

Or sending text messages and having long telephone conversations with NK?

 

[AbbyG]

People that have never been in grief have no idea. I always pray I don't say the wrong thing.
I had several people tell me after my brother died of an overdose that I should have known he would die so it shouldn't hurt so bad. Well, no I didn't. I always had hope he would get clean and stay clean. There are lots of car wrecks, accidents happen every day, I still get in a car and never think about it. After the third person said that to me, I went on Facebook and told people to beware. The next person that said that to me, I was breaking their nose.
They may have thought it but no one else said it to me.

I totally agree and I am sorry everyone has had to hear such stupid and hurtful things said after such significant and excruciating losses. People often say they could't survive the loss themselves, as if they are more sensitive or more caring, not realizing that the bereaved may be barely surviving, and has no choice, and if they have a similar loss they too will have no choice. What Shannon's family is going through is unimaginable, because if we did imagine it, how fate turns on a dime and it could happen to ANY of us, we'd barely get through the day. I do think some of the vitriol aimed at the victim here is self-protective. The reality is that Shannon was a lovely, generous, kind and loyal wife, mom, daughter and friend doing her best, and nothing she did "triggered" this.

 

[ZsaZsa]

@Colorado303. NUA has something sort of odd ( to me) on her FB page and that is a photo of the back of her left hand and written on it is ' I forgive you'.
Any ideas?

 

[MCDRAW]

He seemed to want to justify his desire to stay there alone the first night, not wanting others around and keeping the lights on all night -- as has been conjectured, he was probably cleaning and putting things in order.

I think he was busy talking to NK.

 

[JudgeJudi]

We have better weather!

And beaches.

 

[Ultra Violet]

Going back and watching the porch interviews again (ewwwww, and why must I?) reminded me of a few questions I had before I was able to start posting on threads. Hopefully this will make sense....

On the Denver7 (and most of the other interviews as well), I noticed CW had a slow blink / long blink mannerism when he spoke about the girls or mentioned their names or described them. It looks to me as if he is trying to close his eyes or hide an image from his mind. To me, that is a pretty telling behavior that something is off.

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On the 9News interview, does anyone think that the woman’s question about his shirt at the 6:45 mark was an intentionally off-topic question to see if his mannerisms changed when he was not talking about their disappearance (i.e. lying his face off?) Kind of the way you would ask someone a series of casual questions at the beginning of a deposition (or lie detector test) to see if they behave differently or seem rehearsed when you ask them questions for the deposition?

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And if so, do you think he kept the same affect? Or did his manner change?

 

[Jennifer17]

@Colorado303. NUA has something sort of odd ( to me) on her FB page and that is a photo of the back of her left hand and written on it is ' I forgive you'.
Any ideas?

No idea. But she may forgive anyone but that is personal and does not encompass everyone.

 

[AbbyG]

The thing that had kept me from thinking that is the 3 counts of tampering with a dead body... but now rethinking it... the autopsies weren't in yet when he was charged. Would they have amended the charges or how does that work?
Edited to add: There would possibly have been oil in their lungs if they weren't dead.

They would have been amended. They were already murdered. There is no way they were put in the tanks alive. None. This is just nightmares spiraling. MOO.

 

[Jennifer17]

And beaches.

Of course and you can swim in them year round and the shark attack numbers are about the same.

 

[Jennifer17]

They would have been amended. They were already murdered. There is no way they were put in the tanks alive. None. This is just nightmares spiraling. MOO.

I think that everyone is a bit overwrought at the end of this awful situation.

 

[MassGuy]

They would have been amended. They were already murdered. There is no way they were put in the tanks alive. None. This is just nightmares spiraling. MOO.

Agreed. It defies all logic and common sense.

He was “taking care of business,” and not attempting to reenact some scene out of a horror movie.

 

[Marli61]

Going back and watching the porch interviews again (ewwwww, and why must I?) reminded me of a few questions I had before I was able to start posting on threads. Hopefully this will make sense....

On the Denver7 (and most of the other interviews as well), I noticed CW had a slow blink / long blink mannerism when he spoke about the girls or mentioned their names or described them. It looks to me as if he is trying to close his eyes or hide an image from his mind. To me, that is a pretty telling behavior that something is off.

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On the 9News interview, does anyone think that the woman’s question about his shirt at the 6:45 mark was an intentionally off-topic question to see if his mannerisms changed when he was not talking about their disappearance (i.e. lying his face off?) Kind of the way you would ask someone a series of casual questions at the beginning of a deposition (or lie detector test) to see if they behave differently or seem rehearsed when you ask them questions for the deposition?

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And if so, do you think he kept the same affect? Or did his manner change?

I do remember the slow blinks you're talking about. Yes I do think that could be very telling. Also yes to the question the reporter asked. I think she did it to see how he would react.