Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #55

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  • #521
This is from yesterday, but I missed it

The family of Shanann Watts, who was murdered along with her two daughters by husband Chris Watts, has filed a civil lawsuit against him hoping to prevent him from profiting from the crime.

https://www.facebook.com/jacelarsontv/posts

This is not unexpected but I am really glad Shan’ann’s family are doing this.

I wish everyone could be prevented from profiting from this horrific tragedy. No doubt books are being written, and an Investigation Discovery episode etc are planned.
 
  • #522
This is from yesterday, but I missed it

The family of Shanann Watts, who was murdered along with her two daughters by husband Chris Watts, has filed a civil lawsuit against him hoping to prevent him from profiting from the crime.

https://www.facebook.com/jacelarsontv/posts

This is not unexpected but I am really glad Shan’ann’s family are doing this.

I wish everyone could be prevented from profiting from this horrific tragedy. No doubt books are being written, and an Investigation Discovery episode etc are planned.
 
  • #523
So what now? We’re not going to get any additional how or why.
 
  • #524
There would not have been opportunity for that to happen. The girls were in NC with Shanann until very recently, and then of course Shanann was home with them. Since meeting NK, Chris was only home with them for one weekend, and he got a babysitter on that Saturday night.

Has it been verified that there was a babysitter.? I guess he would have taken AP out being the last night before CW and Shannan finalized their divorce. This must have been the credit card debacle.
 
  • #525
Do you think Shanann knew Chris “wanted out of the marriage” before Shanann and the girls went to NC for the summer?
This I don't know but the more think about it the more I think not. He was a coward so he probably started discussing it after she left for NC, by text, less confrontational. In fact I wonder if she would have gone thru with the trip if he had mentioned it before, or at least cut it short. A lot can be said and done in 5 weeks. She probably figured they would discuss it face to face like rational adults when they returned home together. Perhaps they talked about it a lot until she left for AZ. And told him she didn't wanna separate, they had a baby boy on the way and they should try counseling first. He prob agreed to her face but had no intention of doing anything to help save the marriage.
 
  • #526
I thought his hair looked more gray too. Maybe because it wasn't cut as nice as in the porch interviews. When the camera first zoomed in on him I thought, what the heck is that plastered to the side of his head? Oh... it's a huge patch of gray hair...
I noticed the same thing. He is almost totally gray.
 
  • #527
Regarding profiting from your crime, Colorado has a Son of Sam statute.
 
  • #528
Yes, perhaps in his mind his mother and wife became one, or at least Shanann represented her and by killing her he also eliminated his mother. Or at the very least, took all his pent up rage against his mother out on his wife. Jmo
I just listened to last night’s podcast and that is Tricia’s opinion, that he was also killing his mother. They also went discussed how perp’s like Chris Watts and Scott Peterson are so unaware and leads them to doing obviously stupid things- CW calling the school and realtor, SP selling Laci’s car. They just do not see the world like we do.
 
  • #529
So what now? We’re not going to get any additional how or why.
We may eventually. I'm sure there will be books. I hope the author of the book "Inside the Mind of Scott Peterson," or another forensic psychologist, does some research and writes a good one. Imo
 
  • #530
Mr Rourke said the fact that she deleted all texts between her and CW hampered the investigation. WHY couldn’t they get those from CW’s phone?? Did he delete them too? Ok, then why couldn’t they subpoena them from the phone carrier?
When did he say that? I did not watch the presser, was it in response to a question about the texts? Also I wonder why he said that. He also had an edge to his voice when he referred at sentencing to CW's "girlfriend." I can fully understand why, but makes even more sense knowing that, though she did go to LE, she was not a perfectly helpful open book. And I am not saying any of these are the case, but reasons to delete texts would include not just sexting (potentially a big reason, private and embarrassing) but also any ultimatums and/or indications that she knew he was quite married still. That said, the weeks away when they dated heavily would certainly be convincing evidence that they were separated. Maybe the texts showed she believed he was divorcing, and his wife was not accepting of this; maybe she was unkind about a wife (whom she did not know was pregnant) who was trying to fight for her relationship. Maybe she is too inexperienced to understand that a mother of young kids is not going to be excited to divorce her children's father so fast, especially one who SEEMED to be a "good listener," a soft-spoken, devoted father (OMG can't believe he pulled that off). At any rate, I am not sure why as a young-ish woman she was so game to date a not-yet-divorced father of two young children but it certainly is not her fault that the man she chose to date turned out to be a murderer of the worst kind. IMO MOO!
 
  • #531
Given the time of his departure from the house I'm going with he killed Shan'ann first, when she was deeply asleep, and then the girls.

I think she may even have gone in to kiss them as soon as she went upstairs and that delayed his plan even further because he had to wait for them all to be properly asleep before he would strike.

I think he would want to get his grave digging and the other horrors he did done in darkness and I do not think he would have sat at home and waited three hours to leave if he could have gone at 2am, nor do I see any sign that he sat twiddling his thumbs until 5:15am, in terms of planning what to do with her purse and phone, if she had left him as he wanted to make people believe.

So all in all I think he killed them not long before he left the house, probably in the region of 4-4:30am. Maybe Shan'ann had difficulty going to sleep if she was upset and unwell. His own mention of 4am may or may not have been relevant.
 
  • #532
One of the main PodPeople has split off and started a new podcast. She now believes CW is guilty - or at least that's what she is saying to the public. Not sure I believe her. She was removed from the Sesh groups.

I think you can re-name a FB page, but you have to jump thru some hoops. I'm not that familiar with the process. None of the Sesh groups are as active as they were before. That being said, since the case is over, none of the groups are, but the number of posts in the Sesh groups are noticeably lower than non-Sesh groups. That was not the case before yesterday.
Drama.
 
  • #533
Oh, I think I understand. I have no idea how these things work. So if they have unpublished it, it may be gone forever? Could they just start under a new name? I would think they would be running with their tails between their legs. Maybe this will be the end of his followers. I wonder if the FB group is still active or if people are still denying he did it. Jodi Arias still has an active group of supporters. Imo


BBM: at least one of the FB groups associated with the MRS podcast people (at least 2 of them are mods of it) is still active, and yes, people are still denying his guilt, perhaps even more vociferously than before.

There was some backlash yesterday over the fake autopsy “leaks” given on the podcast from the “confidential source”, and a surprising - to me - number of vociferous CW defenders also admitted their minds had been changed after the sentence hearing & press conference.

There has been since yesterday evening and over night a massive banning spree & deletion of comments which do not wholeheartedly support the person who claimed to have an “inside source” and/or those which don’t agree with the “CW was railroaded/is innocent/there was no evidence given” bandwagon.

TL : DR : it’s becoming an echo chamber for CW apologists.

ETA: this is the last time I’m going to mention these groups/people, unless they go public again with something egregiously awful. IMO, some of them are thriving on & delighted by any attention whatsoever.
 
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  • #535
You’re right. In the grand scheme of things, it really doesn’t matter, they’re all dead after all.

It’s just curiosity at this point, trying to understand exactly what happened.
Even if Shanann was sleeping, wouldn’t you think she would have eventually fought even only to be grabbing at his hands, desperately? I’m surprised there apparently nothing under her fingernails and no scratch marks on his hands. Do you think he might have worn gloves? MOO
 
  • #536
Given the time of his departure from the house I'm going with he killed Shan'ann first, when she was deeply asleep, and then the girls.

I think she may even have gone in to kiss them as soon as she went upstairs and that delayed his plan even further because he had to wait for them all to be properly asleep before he would strike.

I think he would want to get his grave digging and the other horrors he did done in darkness and I do not think he would have sat at home and waited three hours to leave if he could have gone at 2am, nor do I see any sign that he sat twiddling his thumbs until 5:15am, in terms of planning what to do with her purse and phone, if she had left him as he wanted to make people believe.

So all in all I think he killed them not long before he left the house, probably in the region of 4-4:30am. Maybe Shan'ann had difficulty going to sleep if she was upset and unwell. His own mention of 4am may or may not have been relevant.
Would help to see the neighbors video from Monday morning between 5:00-5:40am.
 
  • #537
I just don't even know what to say. I'm so incredibly sad and so angry. I gasped out loud when they said the girls were suffocated. I imagine there was an audible gasp in the courtroom as well.

Shanann's family has to face every holiday without her, the girls and the joy over little Nico coming next year. Just grief and horror and memories now. Nothing fixes this. Nothing brings them back.

As for the past VI, are @Trinket78 posts missing? Trying to keep up with the thread but details are foggy. (ETA: Nope, still there. Don't know what I thought I read.) On a completely unrelated note, Chris is 33 right? Didn't I read somewhere that his sister is 7 years older than he is? Oh, ok.

I felt the statement from the Watts' lawyer was awkward and overly formal, and felt more like a CYA thing than anything sincere.

This is what I heard from Mom Watts statement: "My baby boy, we know everything you did to the girls and I love you I love you I forgive you please please please don't cut me off I don't care if you smothered them and shoved them in oil I know Shanann triggered you somehow Mommy loves you always and forgives you I forgive you there's nothing you could do to make me not love you best PLEASE please please my baby Christopher who was so good at sports, just call Mommy or write & tell me what that evil wife did so Mommy can comfort you please I'm begging you don't cut me off please please please. Oh and Shanann was my daughter. PLEASE CHRIS I LOVE YOU I FORGIVE YOU MOMMY NEEDS YOU!!!!!!!!!!"

I think most of us have grieved for Shanann and her babies more than the Watts family ever has. JMO.
 
  • #538
Would help to see the neighbors video from Monday morning between 5:00-5:40am.
What is your thinking behind that?
 
  • #539
This is what I heard from Mom Watts statement: "My baby boy, we know everything you did to the girls and I love you I love you I forgive you please please please don't cut me off I don't care if you smothered them and shoved them in oil I know Shanann triggered you somehow Mommy loves you always and forgives you I forgive you there's nothing you could do to make me not love you best PLEASE please please my baby Christopher who was so good at sports, just call Mommy or write & tell me what that evil wife did so Mommy can comfort you please I'm begging you don't cut me off please please please. Oh and Shanann was my daughter. PLEASE CHRIS I LOVE YOU I FORGIVE YOU MOMMY NEEDS YOU!!!!!!!!!!"

LOL, I ❤️ this so much. Spot on!
 
  • #540
I noticed the same thing. He is almost totally gray.
Well, that's just TOO BAD. No sympathy here for anyone but Shan's family and friends. And NK.
 
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