Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #56

[LovesChocolate]

"Then you have the cold, callous way he described how he held them up by their wrists and put them down feet first, and knew Bella's tank was more full than Celeste's because of the sound the splash made," Rourke said. "Are you kidding me? Those are your kids."

‘About as big as it gets:’ Gravity of lifetime sentence for Watts not lost on Weld DA

OH. MY. GOD. This makes me want to throw up.

And clears up the controversy that CW wasn't "allowed" calls. HE chose not to call anyone.

 

[pocketaccent]

He probably planned to sell them or use the diamond to create another ring for his new lover. Imo

I think he would just resize them for NK. To engage, then to wed. He is brazen enough to do just that. He is completely shameless.

 

[Best of What's Around]

I caught that too Tortoise. Maybe the initial time the defense approached the DA's office about a plea, the DA was not willing to even entertain the discussion. That unless it was a guilty plea to every charge, there was nothing to talk about. So maybe he didn't even consider it an offer. Just speculating. He mentions this at about 13:20 in the press conference following the status hearing where CW agreed to the plea.

I don't think the DA was trying to mislead in his comments following the sentencing. I think he just meant that first time the defense reached out, there was no offer on the table that they were even going to read and consider. jmo.

I think the confusion here is the DA was asked about the first plea DEAL...he said there was only one plea deal or agreement. He did not discuss the first offer by the defense, which was not a deal as it was rejected. I am sure they read it. IMO

 

[Mitch11]

What connection did the guest speaker have to the case if you don't mind me asking since I haven't listened?

It was Sheryl McCollum (maybe spelling that wrong) who is a criminal investigator

 

[cailleach]

"Then you have the cold, callous way he described how he held them up by their wrists and put them down feet first, and knew Bella's tank was more full than Celeste's because of the sound the splash made," Rourke said. "Are you kidding me? Those are your kids."

‘About as big as it gets:’ Gravity of lifetime sentence for Watts not lost on Weld DA

Thanks for sharing, @Gardenista. We know we still aren't privy to everything Rourke, his staff, and others key to the investigation know. He only had to give enough to get the Judge to agree with them. I still hope we learn more over time. I want to see the tapes from the Frederick jail, and I'm pretty sure everyone here does.

That said, what a contrast in such a decent, honorable man as Rourke working for justice and a completely dishonorable one like CW trying his best to prevent it.

 

[liltexans]

Nothing that I'm aware of. Still against TOS to bash/sleuth/etc her

You are correct. I haven't listened to Levi's podcast yet, but it sounds like that was Sheryl's opinion of NK's knowledge. That doesn't change what we're allowing to be said about NK here.

 

[PommyMommy]

For our list of questions @PommyMommy. I'm curious how NUA knew SW missed her doctor's appointment. Did she call the office and ask when she never heard back from SW?

Got it. How could we forget this one?! MOO

 

[Sjm_qc]

2 new documents added to the official court record:

(Renewal of )sealed jail visit logs
https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...Regarding Confidential Jail Visitors logs.pdf

Notice of restitution
https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...terest/2018CR2003/X Notice of Restitution.pdf

 

[Mitch11]

As a feminist, I've worked hard not to disparage NK. I've made several comments wherein I stated things like, "I have no doubt that she fully cooperated with LE." In light of new information, I need to back off that stance without getting petty or personal.

I think you can still be a feminist though. Just because she may have known about his wife's pregnancy doesn't make her any different to any of the thousands of men and women who have affairs every day. I hate saying this but often the person they are having an affair with has self esteem issues. It can feel really good to think you are winning over another person (eg he choosing her over SW) plus the risk factor can be enjoyable for some people. In this case, I think it says more about how men and women are raised in society, where one thinks it is okay to do this. I'm actually not judging her, as no doubt he was telling her some whopping big lies. But I do believe as a whole we need to look at why women and men do what they do to other women. As we have seen in this case, many women grabbed at any possible suggestion that SW was guilty. They did this over fact and evidence showing CWs guilt. Outside of his despicable crimes I find this extraordinary.

Yet as you have previously said the blame lies with him.

 

[escape2sc]

@LovesChocolate

"The baby's name debate has never struck me. Nico has been rising as a popular name (I even saw it on a list of "hipster baby names" well before this case). Lee is Chris' middle name and it's common for people to use the FOBs (father of baby) middle name for first or middle name. Nickole Atkinson is her best friend, I've assumed. NiCkOLE. There are so many more possible reasons they chose this name rather than it being CWs nod to his mistress. MOO"

I agree on the reasons Nico Lee was chosen as his name. The point I was trying to make is that as a wife and mother of 5 , If I knew my husband was having an affair and the woman's name, regardless of how much I loved the name I had chosen for my baby there is no way I would want to name my child anything close to the mistress' name. The child's name would be a lifelong reminder of the mistress. So I do not believe Shanann knew who the mistress was.

 

[kakadu]

I still can’t get my head around how he thought he was going to get away with what he had done. Did he not realise that phoning the school etc was going to look suspicious? I guess he was so excited about starting his new life he just couldn’t wait. He is just pure evil.

I’m thinking of Shan’ann’s family as they face their first thanksgiving without their daughter and granddaughters tomorrow.

These are exactly my thoughts.

 

[cailleach]

2 new documents added to the official court record:

(Renewal of )sealed jail visit logs
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/Notice C27 Regarding Confidential Jail Visitors logs.pdf

Notice of restitution
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/X Notice of Restitution.pdf

I'm surprised the restitution isn't more yet. I'm sure that's going to increase as some are "ongoing." I seriously would have thought it more right now though.

 

[Tortoise]

What do you mean? He never stated there was only one offer?

At the press conference that is what he said. No one else hear it?

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

What do you mean? He never stated there was only one offer?

During the press conference he was asked about the first rejected plea and Rourke said there had only been one plea, the one they accepted that took the DP off the table.

 

[katydid23]

I thought the “switching schools” was something we heard from a CW supporter. Just another twisted fact from them. They probably heard inside info about the kids being unenrolled from school and used that as SW switching schools for some nefarious reason against SW when the truth was CW had unenrolled them after killing them. That group did this a lot. They seemed to hear a bit of something and twist it into something against SW. JMO.

I don't think she actually 'switched' schools. She was just entering Kindergarten. So she probably wouldn't have been in this same school anyway, as she was just in preschool before.

 

[cailleach]

At the press conference that is what he said. No one else hear it?

He said there was only one deal/agreement, meaning there weren't any they accepted that then fell apart. That in no way states there weren't other offers tendered.

 

[Tortoise]

He said there was only one deal/agreement, meaning there weren't any they accepted that then fell apart. That in no way states there weren't other offers tendered.

I don't think that was how the question to him was framed.

 

[cailleach]

I don't think that was how the question to him was framed.

I heard the tape you're speaking of and I also know that he came back out after that to quell rumors that the State sought the agreement, the Defense did. At that time, he clarified when the defense approached them and that there had been at least one declined offer.

 

[Tortoise]

I heard the tape you're speaking of and I also know that he came back out after that to quell rumors that the State sought the agreement, the Defense did. At that time, he clarified when the defense approached them and that there had been at least one declined offer.

I think I'm referring to the actual press conference, not a tape. So he clarified later, that's fine. I just didn't understand his first answer which is what I was asking about in my OP.

 

[Sjm_qc]

At the press conference that is what he said. No one else hear it?

During the press conference he was asked about the first rejected plea and Rourke said there had only been one plea, the one they accepted that took the DP off the table.

I think there’s some confusion arising because during the press conference after the hearing where the plea agreement was presented and CW pled guilty to all charges (11/6) the DA alluded to more than one approach from the defence (I.e. CW) about a plea.

THEN, in the presser after the sentencing hearing (11/19) the DA said there was only one deal/agreement.

I’d have to go back and listen again to both pressers to be sure.