GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #57

[mtnlites]

I have clearly read too many cases here at WS. I wasn't shocked by the language or the topics they discussed. Especially after following and moderating poor Yingying Zhang's case, I don't even know if language can shock me anymore. This stuff seems tame compared with some cases.

Same here. I wasn't shocked by the language or the acts. There really wasn't even anything that was particularly deviant about what was said or implied. All fairly normal sex acts, though not things that everyone is into. The worst part about it was that we have gotten to "know" SW and seeing/hearing about these things going on behind her back while she was trying to save her marriage was rough. The acts themselves? Eh. Tame.

 

[tmar]

I haven't got to that part yet, whose laugh is it and what was s/he laughing at?

NK's laugh, mentioned a couple of times in these documents.

 

[Johnny1181]

I don't consider myself a prude by any stretch of the imagination... but I was rather shocked at the language in the texts between these 2 women regarding what CW was into. It seemed more like a conversation 2 crude teenage high school boys would have instead of 2 30 something year old women. Maybe I'm old & sheltered... but I was quite shocked.

Or just 2 women talking honestly about things they never thought we would be reading. What they thought was a private convo about what she was experiencing. It can seem taboo I guess when it's out in public. But imo they were just talking honestly with each other.
Crude to me is a man strangling his loving wife begging to save her marriage, smothering his baby girls, and dumping them in oil and dirt.
jmo and posted with honesty and kindness

 

[mtnlites]

Or just 2 women talking honestly about things they never thought we would be reading. What they thought was a private convo about what she was experiencing. It can seem taboo I guess when it's out in public. But imo they were just talking honestly with each other.
Crude to me is a man strangling his loving wife begging to save her marriage, smothering his baby girls, and dumping them in oil and dirt.
jmo and posted with honesty and kindness

I agree, Johnny.On the long list of awful things that have gone on in this case, there are MANY other things that are far cruder-like the oil he dumped his babies' bodies in.

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

Yes, in the next several days.

Hundreds of hours of video, thousands of photos, god knows what else.

3 terabytes is a staggering amount of data.

 

[NuttMegg]

80-20 he didn't want another baby dp 600
Coder on fire. CW "I have nothing on my hands that's ---I did nothing to those kids or her...to make them vanish"
BBM
Nothing on his hands but the oil that adhered as he wrestled Bella into the 8" hole?

 

[katikaboom]

His mom said something to that effect, which by default, makes me strongly doubt that.

Things certainly changed during those weeks, but I think it’s probable that things were already physical before that point.

They just accelerated while Shanann was in NC.

His mother seems.....let me put it like this. I have a very similiar MIL and visit support groups because of it, in particular one on reddit called justnomil. there are even stories about some of these mothers giving allergens to allergic children, and shannan followed the advice they give to a T. cut off contact, have your spouse deal with them, and don't leave your kids near them. the MIL's typically have something called an extinction burst, which i believe we witnessed on the national level with the interview and demands to see CW.
however, given the fact NK did look up SW almost a year prior to all of this, I would not put it past her to see a guy she was interested in, and start "befriending" him. so mama watts could be correct in this. given the public persona mama watts has put forward, i would also expect she blamed shannan for "causing" him to cheat when the reality is she raised a bratty little boy who couldn't keep it in his pants.
all MOO, of course. but the timelines, lies and documents do somewhat support this.

 

[MassGuy]

I agree, Johnny.On the long list of awful things that have gone on in this case, there are MANY other things that are far cruder-like the oil he dumped his babies' bodies in.

Yes. Many things that actually matter, as opposed to salacious details that add color, but don’t carry the weight that much of the evidence does.

 

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[kiwilaura]

I remember reading something about that too. Something like close to $100,000 maybe? Can't remember. Wish I know which section that was in.

When reading though, I remember thinking why such enormous medical expenses when CW had a great medical insurance coverage from work. Don't medical insurance come with catastrophic benefits? I know mine does. After $5,000 out-of- pocket expenses (for all family), my insurance covers 100%.

I believe it was Sandy Rzucek’s letter and I believe it was $25k

 

[Inthedetails]

The doc also jumps all over the place time-wise.

I know!!! I want to re-organize it.

jmo

 

[Iam Nana!]

When I read NK googled about Amber Frey's book deal I was not surprised. In fact I commented about that in a post!
SW loved those girls with all her heart. I just pray he didn't make her see their poor dead bodies before he murdered her. Monster, monster, monster!

 

[Johnny1181]

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IMO there is no evidence whatsoever that her actions, no matter how distasteful one may find them, bear responsibility directly or indirectly on this FA's SOLE decision to murder his family. She is not to blame. He alone did this. He is alone in the monstrosity of his decision. A decision he made 3 times, as he stole the life from a family who loved and adored him.

 

[kiwilaura]

That's the bit I don't like.. Would prefer all in order of events

Seems like they are in order of when docs were formally entered into their system (think it is called Sentinel).

 

[Marli61]

Or just 2 women talking honestly about things they never thought we would be reading. What they thought was a private convo about what she was experiencing. It can seem taboo I guess when it's out in public. But imo they were just talking honestly with each other.
Crude to me is a man strangling his loving wife begging to save her marriage, smothering his baby girls, and dumping them in oil and dirt.
jmo and posted with honesty and kindness

Oh no doubt they never thought "we" would be reading this. I guess I didn't talk that way when I was young nor do I talk like that now. That being said it's not like I wouldn't or haven't discussed those topics, it's just that I never have or would use that verbiage. Imo unconscionable is a better word to describe what CW did to his family rather than crude.

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

IMO, he was having an emotional affair with NK and it became physical once SW left town for the summer. Nico was an effort to save to marriage and give CW what he wanted.

Exactly.

-CW and NK likely were playing Footsie & Google-Eyes long before they hit the sheets.

jmo

 

[opalonyx]

80-20 he didn't want another baby dp 600
Coder on fire. CW "I have nothing on my hands that's ---I did nothing to those kids or her...to make them vanish"
BBM
Nothing on his hands but the oil that adhered as he wrestled Bella into the 8" hole?

More on him not wanting the baby anymore.
Him and NK acting close at work

 

[mtnlites]

I remember reading something about that too. Something like close to $100,000 maybe? Can't remember. Wish I know which section that was in.

When reading though, I remember thinking why such enormous medical expenses when CW had a great medical insurance coverage from work. Don't medical insurance come with catastrophic benefits? I know mine does. After $5,000 out-of- pocket expenses (for all family), my insurance covers 100%.

You'd think that Andarko would have good medical benefits, but who knows. We are in the middle of bankruptcy caused by medical bills. We owed more than our mortgage and student loans combined-and we had insurance, too.

 

[pocketaccent]

I thought NK stated this in the Denver interview, if others can remember.
But I have heard here, somewhere, that NK stated this.

Here it is:

"When Watts went to visit family in North Carolina at the end of July, he called to tell her that his divorce was final, Kessinger said. Later that month, he asked Kessinger to help him find an apartment that would be good for him and his daughters. They never spoke about long-term plans for their relationship."

Christopher Watts girlfriend Nichol Kessinger speaks about Frederick murders

 

[kiwilaura]

I thought NK stated this in the Denver interview, if others can remember.
But I have heard here, somewhere, that NK stated this.

It seems like she twisted reality there. The police interviews show she says he went to NC to see if he could save the marriage and he reported that Shanann was adamant there was no hope.

Perhaps she meant that it was finalised that they would get a divorce. But I definitely think she mislead the media there.