GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #57

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  • #141
After reading the letters from CW's fan club:

I don't think the fan club considered that these letters would be brought to light online for the whole world to see, with their names on.:D How nauseating.

I imagine his AP is experiencing some embarrassment too, after the google searches etc etc were revealed in all their glory for the world to read.

edited to add
Discovery: page 1508.
moo
 
  • #142
After reading the letters from CW's fan club:

I don't think the fan club considered that these letters would be brought to light online for the whole world to see, with their names on.:D How nauseating.

I imagine his AP is experiencing some embarrassment too, after the google searches etc etc were revealed in all their glory for the world to read.

moo
I’ve conducted a bit of research on these people, and they’re exactly what you would expect.

I genuinely believe that some of them are deranged.
 
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  • #143
@PommyMommy

11. The affidavit states that CW “ultimately” strangled SW – did he describe a big fight, inconsistent with the autopsy results?
Chris stated he pulled Shanann off CeCe and strangled her, and that it felt like he had so much rage/power that she didn't even fight back. He said it felt quick. When asked if Shanann would have a black eye or stab wound Chris said he did not punch or slap Shanann. He also said they were not poisoned. Discovery Page 608
 
  • #144
"I used to love her, but I had to kill her. I had to put her six feet under."

Rolling Stones:
"But I used to love her but it's all over now".
CW made sure of that.
 
  • #145
If Amber released a book, don’t you think Nichol will? A big difference though is, there was no Watts trial. But, how are you going to feel if Nichol ends up doing TV interviews (Dr. Phil?) and releases a book (‘my summer with the evil monster, Chris Watts).

She might release a book, but I don't think it would contain anything we don't already know. So I'm not interested in that at all. At this point, it would be a snooze fest of a book since everything is in the discovery documents.

However, as I mentioned in an earlier thread, I really would like CW's parents and sister to sit down with Dr. Phil. I know they would get paid, but I'd tune in for that interview.
 
  • #146
@PommyMommy

12. Were Bella and CeCe’s blankets found? If so, where?
Quote: "I also assisted with conducting a search of the area outside of the barbed wire fence surrounding the oil well site, but nothing was located. The weeds and sunflowers were thick and it did not appear blankets and stuffed animals (previously mentioned by CHRIS as
having been left near SHANANN’s grave) could have traveled that far in the wind." They were never found. Discovery Page 616
 
  • #147
Thanks, Colorado. :) I haven't been able to keep up and I’ve still only read the discovery in bits and pieces, but I’ve come across a few more answers (in red).

1. What was the significance of the non-porous bag and the footprint?
2. What did CW do with Shanann's engagement and wedding rings? We know from pg 5 of the discovery docs: “Christopher did come up to me [Officer Coonrod] holding Shanann's wedding ring and stated he found it on the night stand.”
3. What did the dogs alert on? From pg 40: While in the home, a track dog was asked to enter, as there had been some indication from the cadaver dog that a struggle or argument may have ensued. Jeff Hiebert and his K9 entered the home. Jeff stated that his dog showed interest in the unmade bed in the basement and an area just below the stairs, but did not do any final trained alerts. We exited the basement and went upstairs to the garage. No indicators were noted in the garage and we exited the home.
4. Will they ever release the police interview with Chris? Link to 8/15 polygraph and interview: Polygraph and Interview with Christopher Watts 08.15.18
5. What is the history about that doll photo on her FB? Pg 1913 – The doll photo was taken by CW and sent to SW. Pg 537 – Coder asks Chris if Bella did it and he said he didn’t recall. Per CW, Shanann thought it was funny.
6. Was NK the only AP or was there evidence he was out trolling for women (or men) on websites?
7. Was the alleged male AP "TB" for real or was he just inserting himself into the investigation?
8. NK "deleted" texts & FB posts before contacting LE. Do we know if LE recovered them?
9. How did Shanann's phone get in the sofa?
10. What was the content of the texts CW sent in the days leading up to the murders? Will they be made public?

See Colorado’s post here for answers to questions on that were previously on the list: CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #57

I will post the remaining questions in just a bit. MOO
maybe some of the "interest" the dog showed was because of the dog Deeter having been there?

Or urine leakage on the comforter when Shanann was strangled. The bodies may have been placed at the bottom of the stairs while he went up and down to get each of them. All had empty bladders, so this was most likely the smell.
 
  • #148
I actually dont buy his line that they had an 'emotional argument' He lied about so many other things and when you read the communication between him and SW in the last two weeks he barely wanted to speak with her. She was asking him hard questions, he didnt even want to answer.. just walked away or went to bed at various times. I actually think he had no conversation, he just let her go to sleep then strangled her.
I agree, there probably was barely a word spoken between the two of them after Shanann arrived home. Shanann was physically and emotionally exhausted by 2 am, she was at her most vulnerable, an easy kill for CW, and was killed not long after drifting into a deep slumber, imo. :(

Cece was also in a deep sleep but not Bella, Shanann had described Bella as a light sleeper, she would have awoken as soon as CW entered the room or sat on her bed to do the unthinkable, imo.

Shanann had described what lengths they would go to, to allow the girls to sleep in. CW would park the truck out on the street on work days because the garage was right under the girl's rooms and Bella would awaken to the sound of the truck engine.
 
  • #149
Yes I did read that in the docs and I am only in the 300's somewhere. There were to be discontinued and abandoned and I do believe when they do that they empty the tanks but maybe do not go in them.
When they used the word abandoned I thought that was odd because if that was my land and they no longer were going to be using them I would want them torn down and gone. And they are on private ranch land and the oil company maintains the property and roads leading to them plus pays the rancher land use fees or if the oil is actually pumped out of that land they get royalties, something to do with mineral rights. To me it is all confusing but I was told that when I was out there.
But yes it was in the docs somewhere that they were to be shut down in the future.
P.S. and sorry do not remember the page number but I am only up to 369 so before that somewhere in there!!!!:confused:
Thanks, The Farm, I will keep looking now that I figured out how to make the file text searchable (!). Maybe they just cut the intensity of drilling, or fracking, whatever the term is now. Maybe they direct production around to different areas if the production is too little at a certain battery. They probably have a long term lease, I'd think.
 
  • #150
I would like to reconcile but haven't been able to hopefully someone else might have come across in the doco dump the report with the neighbour seeing him outside alone bbq-ing?

I am of the idea that this was before dark?

and we know he allowed the kids to facetime with shananns parents..but what time?

the girls should have been visible to neighbour imo if they were alive while he was doing this.
he also fed them cold pizza??
we know he loves pizza??? so wasn't he having pizza??...with them??

im of the understanding there wasn't food in the girls stomach.
so either he killed them early and hadn't fed them or it was after he killed shanann imo.

he wouldn't send shanann live time pic of them even though he had done so earlier in day?

sorry im all over the place.
just my ramblings trying to reconcile coming on dark sunday night.
The neighbors were barbecuing around 7pm on that Sunday evening. They saw Watts a couple times as he was cooking something on his grill. They never saw or heard the girls at this time.

Page 1972
 
  • #151
Pages 2117 & 2118
From Sunday, August 13
1705 hours: CW's text to the coworker about going directly to the site the next morning alone.
1946 hours: Shanann asked "Hey honey, kids in bed" and asked for pictures. Watts replied "Bella just back in bed." Shanann noted, "They must be exhausted."

Watts resent the images from earlier in the day (at the dinner table). He also added an image of Bella taken at the birthday party earlier that day.

What do we think about the fact that SW asked for pictures and CW re-sent pictures from earlier in the day instead of sending any current pictures of the girls sleeping? Had he already killed the girls? Especially given the text to the coworker insisting he could go to that oil site alone first thing?

I do not believe they were already dead. Since SW was found in what appeared to be either night clothes or stage of undress, I believe the kids were alive when she got home. She was so concerned about them while she was gone (checking in regularly) that I can't imagine she didn't go in and peek at them as soon as she got home. If they'd been dead at that point, then I think she would've put up a fight right then and there and we'd have seen signs of a struggle. If she'd been attacked soon upon entering the home, same thing. There probably would've been more signs of a struggle and she'd have been found in her travel clothes.
 
  • #152
From the previous (closed) thread.

She certainly will.
If she states, 'pawn the ring', 'checked out the book deal', NK is ready for money.
MOO.

My opinion. NK is a calculating, money-conscious person anyhow. She probably was in love with CW, but now another side of hers shows.

I still feel that NK somehow suited CW more and that his marriage with SW was going downhill before NK. He was not interested in Thrive or sales. Ironically, the kids were probably the thing keeping this marriage together, so he decided to have one more , at the time, when emotionally, he was on a divergent course from SW.

It is a wrong decision per se, but in this situation, it proved to be deadly.

Look at it from NK's standpoint. She comes across as a money-conscious person. She is more educated than CW. She probably could make more out of CW, professionally, make him take some classes to advance. (In contrast to others, I would guess that CW's academic IQ was high enough, and he was technically bright.)

And he is good-looking, and he makes her happy. And her friends are getting married.

Divorcing a family with two kids and debts is difficult, but divorcing a family with the third one on the way would be financially crippling. And NK wants own kids, meaning, more expenses.

This is what it in essence came up to. The real barrier to CW's happiness - and he was obsessed with NK, as I can see now, like 8 years ago he was obsessed with SW - was pregnant SW. I don't know under what exact circumstances he killed her, but it seems to me that he accumulated hatred to her, and it was enough.

The same question I always ask myself, why kill the kids, I still don't understand, but either it had to do with the fact that NK was not prepared to be a stepmom, or he simply thought that it was easier to explain the disappearance of three people? Or perhaps killing three would have gotten rid of more problems, in his mind?

It is ugly as ugly can be.

Legally, NK is not guilty. Even if the affair was the catalyst, CW was an adult man, and these were his kids, it was his family. It was his decision, and these were his hands on their throats.

However, I think that morally, it is wrong for NK to profit from any book.

(That she is not going to be true is obvious from the article. Everything about that article is untrue).

It was wrong for Amber Frey to benefit, either, but at least Amber Frey was crucial in solving the SP's case. She was the critical witness. Amber taped their conversations. She did everything to help.

Here, we have a person who prolonged the investigation by deleting the messages.

In light of this, is there a law prohibiting the person who advised CW to pawn his "disappeared" wife's ring to profit from a book?
 
  • #153
Page 609: Chris begged LE not to put Kessinger’s name into the news because she had been through enough in her life. Hmm. ?
 
  • #154
I would like to reconcile but haven't been able to hopefully someone else might have come across in the doco dump the report with the neighbour seeing him outside alone bbq-ing?

I am of the idea that this was before dark?

and we know he allowed the kids to facetime with shananns parents..but what time?

the girls should have been visible to neighbour imo if they were alive while he was doing this.
he also fed them cold pizza??
we know he loves pizza??? so wasn't he having pizza??...with them??

im of the understanding there wasn't food in the girls stomach.
so either he killed them early and hadn't fed them or it was after he killed shanann imo.

he wouldn't send shanann live time pic of them even though he had done so earlier in day?

sorry im all over the place.
just my ramblings trying to reconcile coming on dark sunday night.
There is a report from the neighbors about seeing CW outside grilling around 7pm.

Page 1972 - Bette offered information about a bar-b-que they had around 1900 hours on Sunday evening (08/12/18) and never heard or saw Bella or Celeste during that time. She did see Watts a couple times as he was cooking something on the grill but the girls never appeared when he walked outside.

As far as the pizza, CW ordered pizza on Saturday night for when the baby-sitter was there with the girls so he could go to his non-Rockies game date with the girlfriend. CW ordered it and baby-sitter gave it to the girls and texted SW.

Page 2113:
1634 hours: Watts called a local Papa John's pizza store

1759 hours: Shanann asked McKenna, "Hey love, this is Shanann. How are the girls?" McKenna replied they are doing great, "CeCe ate 3 slices of pizza." shanann thanked McKenna for watching the girls and asked if she needs anything, iust ask.

Noted in the report: ln contrast, Watts never checked in with McKenna to see how the girls were doing, or whether McKenna needed anything.

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So I think the cold pizza on Sunday was leftovers from the night before. I think he wasn't having it because he's been following a pretty strict eating regimen. He was texting the girlfriend from the birthday party how there wasn't more there that he could eat, just unhealthy things, and he was trying to resist having a funnel cake. So my guess is he came home and cooked something healthy to keep up his fit, lean body. ETA: Page 694. He didn't want to eat the hot dogs at the party haha. He was "pounding fruit and ate a whole jar of asparagus."

CW also took a picture of 4 chicken breast on the bbq grill at 6:47 pm. My guess given all the mention of his recent clean eating and meal prep is that he was prepping some protein for the week. The girlfriend was very into fitness too, so maybe he was going to send her a picture of his meal prep? Just a random guess on my part. Right before that he took a picture of the temperature in the fridge so maybe that was for SW?

Page 2117:
1556 hours: Shanann asked if the girls had fun at the party. Watts said they were still there and they were having fun. Shanann replied, "Good, l'm glad. Ok, love you." Watts did not respond.

1556 hours: Watts searched Google for Pariculin (a volcano)

1844 hours: a photo was created in his image file documenting the temperature setting in the refrigerator

1847 hours: a photo of four chicken breast on a barbeque grill was created in his image file

1705 hours: Watts told Kodi Roberts {co-worker}, "l have the whip checks for the Cervi 6-29. l'm gonna gostraight out there from my house in the morning. I will look at that 3-19 as well and run the 11-29 if you want?"

1707 hours: Watts called Sandy Rzucek and held a nearly twelve minute conversation (Maybe that was the FaceTime call which was referenced on Page 591?)
 
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  • #155
Interesting. What’s the logic behind preventing the same visitor from visiting both days on the weekend?

Weekends at all prisons are big visiting days. They try to limit visits on the weekends to give everyone an opportunity to receive guests. Very normal accross the U.S.
 
  • #156
@PommyMommy

21. Why didn't SW, Bella, and CeCe have on pants? Was it to enable getting them down the oil-tank hatch more easily? If so, why then would SW not have on pants?
Both McKenna (babysitter) and Chris have confirmed that the girls wore nightgowns to bed.
MCKENNA recalled the girls were wearing "night gowns". She could not recall which one was wearing which but stated one was wearing a gown with blue starts and hearts and the other a peach color with stars - Discovery Page 531 (night of babysitting)
CHRIS said CECE was wearing a pink nightgown with birds on it and BELLAs nightgown had a unicorn or "believe" on it - Discovery Page 606 (night of murder)
 
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  • #158
After reading the letters from CW's fan club:

I don't think the fan club considered that these letters would be brought to light online for the whole world to see, with their names on.:D How nauseating.

I imagine his AP is experiencing some embarrassment too, after the google searches etc etc were revealed in all their glory for the world to read.

edited to add
Discovery: page 1508.
moo
I for one am glad a light is being shined on all of this filthy gutter cruising BS. Let these folks be seen for who and what they really are!!!
 
  • #159
I’ve conducted a bit of research on these people, and they’re exactly what you would expect.

I legitimately believe that some of them are deranged.
I watched a documentary on these types some years ago. Eye opening.

Moo
 
  • #160
The neighbors were barbecuing around 7pm on that Sunday evening. They saw Watts a couple times as he was cooking something on his grill. They never saw or heard the girls at this time.

Page 1972
Bbqing stuffies and blankets?

:(
 
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