GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #57

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

What a spineless coward. He could not come out and tell her, just did the sulking and no talking.

Exactly my thoughts too. I’ve wondered if she had confirmation of the affair ( I think possibly why he used the cc) and had said she was going to divorce him if he still would have murdered them? If his motive though was to move on without the encumbrances of the old life, it did not matter what she did. How twisted and ironic that he was too much of a coward to tell her but murder was ok.

 

[The Saint]

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NUA said Shanann told her she wasn’t going to speak with Watts when she got home because she knew he’d be sleeping. Shanann told Nicole she was going to put her arms around him because they hadn’t been touching each other lately, but nothing else that night.

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“Between 0148 hours and 0423 hours there was no movement detected on the main floor of the home [Vivint]”

Shan’ann obviously went upstairs immediately she entered the house. I believe she got undressed, changed into a different top and then got into bed.

@Colorado303 posted that NUA said that SW was found wearing the same top she wore on the plane back from AZ.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

On one of the very old threads someone posted that the ground is very hard and as time was of the essence, that's why the grave was so shallow. IIRC a simple shovel would be extremely difficult to use there.

We live on a ranch and are always having to dig to repair lines to water tanks, build fences etc. Some of our ground is very hard and almost impossible to dig up without using a pic ax first or soaking the area first. He had an extremely difficult task digging that grave and it took some time.

 

[The Farm]

On one of the very old threads someone posted that the ground is very hard and as time was of the essence, that's why the grave was so shallow. IIRC a simple shovel would be extremely difficult to use there.

Yes my daughter lives out there and the ground is like cement because it is so dry. Sandy but hard as a rock. She planted a garden and then gave up, it was actually clay like and when she would water it the next day it hardened right up. That was the end of her garden, I think you would have to bring in a lot of soft soil or mulch for it to work. I am actually surprised he was able to dig one at all, I think I read somewhere that she was 8 inches down which was very shallow.

 

[mrjitty]

Yes my daughter lives out there and the ground is like cement because it is so dry. Sandy but hard as a rock. She planted a garden and then gave up, it was actually clay like and when she would water it the next day it hardened right up. That was the end of her garden, I think you would have to bring in a lot of soft soil or mulch for it to work. I am actually surprised he was able to dig one at all, I think I read somewhere that she was 8 inches down which was very shallow.

In this case I am amazed he had time to dig as much as he did given he also needed to get the bodies in the tanks

30 mins is not long

 

[The Farm]

We live on a ranch and are always having to dig to repair lines to water tanks, build fences etc. Some of our ground is very hard and almost impossible to dig up without using a pic ax first or soaking the area first. He had an extremely difficult task digging that grave and it took some time.

Yes and when the other workers arrived they said he said he was hot and it was only like 8am and not that bad. But he did not look disheveled or sweating. He must have shoveled like a madman and knew the others would be arriving at the site.
Another thing he is from the east coast where the soil is a whole different animal. Soft and moist. When they bought that house new the landscaping is usually all done (which maybe he never dug a hole in his yard) and maybe he did not think of that it would be so difficult but then on the other hand he worked in the oilfield and had to know what it was like. They have to dig around those tanks here and there which he was doing when the workers arrived. So he had to have been familiar with the ground.

 

[The Farm]

In this case I am amazed he had time to dig as much as he did given he also needed to get the bodies in the tanks

30 mins is not long

I thought he arrived to the site at 6:30am and the other worker arrived between 8-8:30am. That would have given him more than 30 minutes but still!!!!!

 

[mrjitty]

Yes and when the other workers arrived they said he said he was hot and it was only like 8am and not that bad. But he did not look disheveled or sweating. He must have shoveled like a madman and knew the others would be arriving at the site.
Another thing he is from the east coast where the soil is a whole different animal. Soft and moist. When they bought that house new the landscaping is usually all done (which maybe he never dug a hole in his yard) and maybe he did not think of that it would be so difficult but then on the other hand he worked in the oilfield and had to know what it was like. They have to dig around those tanks here and there which he was doing when the workers arrived. So he had to have been familiar with the ground.

He might have choosen a softer spot? who knows.

 

[mickey2942]

CW took a lie detector test? Mental giant! What an idiot. Every time I read more about this story, CW keeps going down in IQ points. I now consider him in the upper 90's. He has done so many errors, especially since this was planned.

At least James McDonald didn't plan to kill his family, because if he had, he definitely wouldn't be in prison now.

 

[mrjitty]

I thought he arrived to the site at 6:30am and the other worker arrived between 8-8:30am. That would have given him more than 30 minutes but still!!!!!

That's why I am trying to lock down the times.

GPS seems to say he got to 319 around 6:45am. Roberts was working on a neighbouring site.

According to the phone records it seems the other guys came later, as he was chatting to them/calling them.

But in his statement he says 7.15-7.30

Maybe he lied about that?

Is there a statement from the other workers?

 

[Ronso]

I love this site! I think it is so wise to close threads down, to encourage fresh conversations. The VI providing incorrect information - there is no way to positively know. I am curious as to what their motive was for doing so. It all comes out in the wash, although it may take a few more cycles for some info to “come clean”. We appreciate all your efforts.

The motive was simple. Their loved one was being charged with murder and they needed to make the victim the enemy to take the heat off their family member.

 

[Tortoise]

Yes my daughter lives out there and the ground is like cement because it is so dry. Sandy but hard as a rock. She planted a garden and then gave up, it was actually clay like and when she would water it the next day it hardened right up. That was the end of her garden, I think you would have to bring in a lot of soft soil or mulch for it to work. I am actually surprised he was able to dig one at all, I think I read somewhere that she was 8 inches down which was very shallow.

Wasn't the 8 inches to the top of her? If so the hole would have been a lot deeper if she was in a crouched position. I think the shallow grave could be reference to the depth of the soil on top of her.

MOO

 

[The Farm]

I am pretty sure I saw their statements in the docs in the 300's pages somewhere because I am only in the 400's.

 

[The Farm]

That I am not sure of Tortoise, I just remember 8 inches and maybe assumed that the depth.
This whole thing is so mind boggling and so hard to remember because of the different statements etc.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

The motive was simple. Their loved one was being charged with murder and they needed to make the victim the enemy to take the heat off their family member.

I didn’t realize it was a family member, of course, what they have done from day 1

 

[JudgeJudi]

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“1700 hours: Kessinger searched Google on topics like "can cops trace text messages" - "How long do phone companies keep text messages" - "Difference between text message content and text message detail".
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“1821 hours: Kessinger searched the internet for news accounts of this incident and Shanann's name
[43 " TL: 27805 - 278211 All Deleted

These searches were conducted frequently by Kessinger throughout the next several days.

She deleted every one afterwards”

Hmmm. Having also now read the text messages with her friend Charlotte, who has also lied, if I were in her shoes I’d be changing my name and moving interstate.

 

[mrjitty]

OK - so figuring this out.

MCCOY met with Watt's on FRIDAY to get Watt's firestick. This was when Watts first volunteered to go out and fix CERVI 319. He would later call ROBERTS about this on Sunday (unusual).

MCCOY thought he arrived at CERVI 319 at about 8:40 a.m. According to the Geo Tab GPS information provided by Anadarko, MCCOY left the Anadarko office in Platteville at 7:44 a.m. and drove to CERVI 319 arriving at 8:51 a.m.

MCCOY said when he arrived at CERVI 1 there were several Anadarko employees already there. MCCOY said he saw WATTS, CHAD MCNEIL, and MELISSA PARRISH. MCCOY said WATTS’ vehicle was parked by the well head, which MCCOY thought was strange. MCCOY said where WATTS’ vehicle was parked it was not a normal place for someone to park their vehicle. Furthermore, MCCOY said if WATTS was going to fix the by-pass line why did he park his vehicle so far from the area that needed to be fixed which was near the tanks, not near the well head. MCCOY drew a box on an aerial photo of the CERVI 319 where WATTS parked his vehicle.



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MCCOY said after they determined they could not fix the by-pass line they all decided to move on to the CERVI 1029 site. MCCOY said he was watching WATTS as WATTS approached his vehicle which was still parked by the well head. MCCOY said he saw WATTS pause for a moment and saw WATTS was looking out into the field to the south of the pad for just a moment. MCCOY said he wasn’t sure what WATTS was looking at. According to the GPS information provided by Anadarko WATTS left CERVI 319 at 9:30 a.m. and MCCOY left CERVI 319 at 9:31 a.m

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[esayer]

Then, later that night 7:00 Mr Watts asked by text if he could facetime w/the girls. That never happened (alledgedly because Bella might tell SW and she would go ballistic). That was around the same time SW asked Chris to send her pictures of the girls and he sent her pictures from earlier in the day.

I too go back and forth on who he snuffed out first, but still lean towards kids first.

On the other hand,

I don’t believe SW wore a bra to bed in PHX, NUA tells me the shirt she was found in is the one she was wearing on the plane ride home and SW never removed her makeup. If she was awake enough to order hair products as OCD as she was it’s unlikely she’d abandon her pre-bed routine. Which IMO points to her being awake when she was killed. I hate the thought, but perhaps CW acted like he that to make love, got her in bed w/her pants off then straddled her and strangled her. For him to have killed the girls first in that scenario she would have bad to have limited her check on the girls to peeking in their room and looking at the baby monitor.

There’s also the report that SW’s credit card was declined when she tried to order hair products online after 2:00 in the morning. Could have caused her to challenge him about his recent credit card charges— and he decided ok, tonight is the night.

And I’m right back on the other side of the fence again. Can’t explain why, but I really want to know the order and hate that we probably never will.

Well he had ana1 sex with NK the night before so he was thinking he could have that forever and ever oh just gotta get a few things out of the way first!

 

[mrjitty]

OK - so I can't find interviews or arrival times for CHAD MCNEIL and MELISSA PARRISH who i think arrived together

But I am guessing they were probably not long before McCOY

So this would tend to suggest he had nearly 2 hours to hide the bodies.

 

[mrjitty]

Wasn't the 8 inches to the top of her? If so the hole would have been a lot deeper if she was in a crouched position. I think the shallow grave could be reference to the depth of the soil on top of her.

MOO

Yes but in which case the grave was less than 2 feet deep