GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #58

[Johnny1181]

And she didn’t realize everyone was going to know her search history. Most people who have affairs with married people are not shoved under a spotlight like she has been. Who hasn’t searched something or sent a text they might be ashamed of?

Guilty as charged here. Wouldn't want that on the national news. Sure most of us have

 

[NuttMegg]

Sick, sick, sick. He is a nut. Just reading those Metallica lyrics that he reviewed after killing his wife and kids. WTH?

Really sick, and no way he didn't also know the lyrics. I was looking around with no luck, it was said that the video for that "Battery" song about killing a family shows oil tanks at the end. Has anyone else run across that?

 

[PommyMommy]

I just found something interesting:

Page 2215: On August 12, at 0957, Shanann asked CW if he could get the girl’s backpacks ready for tomorrow, with blankets and spare clothes. He said he would.

Well did he?

If he didn’t, he could of course claim that he forgot.

Otherwise, he may not have done it because he knew they wouldn’t be needing them.

If those bags were packed however, it would be indicative that he perhaps wasn’t planning on killing that night.

He said he packed their blankets and stuffed animals after they were murdered.

Pg 537 (Discovery page 604)
I asked CHRIS if that was when he packed up the girl’s special stuff
blankets and stuffed animals and CHRIS nodded 'yes.'

 

[Jennifer17]

And she didn’t realize everyone was going to know her search history. Most people who have affairs with married people are not shoved under a spotlight like she has been. Who hasn’t searched something or sent a text they might be ashamed of?

Lol! I had a coworker who used to give me her phone to take home for the night when she knew that she was going to send texts that she would regret the next morning. She liked a drink or a dozen but at least she knew herself.

 

[MassGuy]

Maybe, but robot chris might have gone through the motions anyway.

Plus I think there were too many other signs he had this planned - setting up days ahead of time to work at the site, I personally think he emailed the realtor from SW fb days ahead, distancing himself from his family, etc.

Moo

I’m not sure. He’s a robot in regards to his emotional state (empathy and human understanding), but not necessarily when it comes to mundane tasks.

If those bags were packed, I’d take that as a pretty good indication that he wasn’t planning to kill on that particular night.

The communication about the worksite was standard practice, and was done the day before the killings. That alone wasn’t particularly unusual.

I could make a case either way here.

I think he planned to kill his family, but I just can’t say with any degree of certainty that he was going to do it when he ultimately did.

 

[Soccermom5]

She’s still a victim. She had nothing to do with the murders. I think most of the somewhat sketchy things she did were an effort at self-preservation. I think she was afraid of being implicated if she was too close to CW. But whatever she knew going into the relationship , she did not know she was getting involved with a murderer. MOO.

I would never consider her a victim. She knew he was still married and she continued the relationship anyway. With SW’s social media presence their is no doubt about their married relationship and family and the fact that she was pregnant with his baby. NK did not care and deserves to suffer the consequences.

 

[MassGuy]

Lol! I had a coworker who used to give me her phone to take home for the night when she knew that she was going to send texts that she would regret the next morning. She liked a drink or a dozen but at least she knew herself.

Lol. Protecting herself from herself, I love it.

 

[Layla123]

The big issue for me is the lies told to LE and the attempt to hide things.

On top of being illegal, what's the point? What could she possibly have to hide that compared to two babies in oil tanks?

I personally would be more afraid of getting caught in a lie to an FBI agent than someone finding out I pursued a married man or wanted to try anal sex. No one cares about that stuff in the big picture which in this case is a murdered woman, a murdered 4 year old, a murdered 3 year old, and a murdered 15 week fetus that was very much loved and wanted.

I don't care at all about her moral compass. It's the deceitfulness that that casts a shadow over her entire version of events.

Moo

What lies did she tell LE? I thought the not being forthcoming issue was with deleted texts.

 

[NuttMegg]

That’s what I would like to know...wonder what the date of the 1st text message is between the two of them?? She obviously lied about how long they were seeing each other and how serious their relationship was...

Don't the discovery pages say that none of the text messages on the work cell phones were recuperated? They could have used just the work phones for who knows how long.

 

[Jennifer17]

Lol. Protecting herself from herself, I love it.

We lived in the same apartments and she would come to my door and beg for the phone back when she was pie eyed, but I would not give it to her because she had told me not to.

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

I’m not sure. He’s a robot in regards to his emotional state (empathy and human understanding), but not necessarily when it comes to mundane tasks.

If those bags were packed, I’d take that as a pretty good indication that he wasn’t planning to kill on that particular night.

The communication about the worksite was standard practice, and was done the day before the killings. That alone wasn’t particularly unusual.

I could make a case either way here.

I think he planned to kill his family, but I just can’t say with any degree of certainty that he was going to do it when he ultimately did.

He actually first spoke with someone regarding the site days before. He followed up with text day of.

He went through routine of dressing them for party, singing happy birthday, face timing with the grandparents, getting his kids in pjs.

Moo

Eta: accidentally combined two posts

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Has anyone come up with the reason why NK was searching SW on Google in September 2017? Is NK still classified here as a collateral victim of CW?

I think she was seeing him long before June. Maybe she was interested in hooking up with him long before that and is the one who came onto him. Maybe she had no concern for his marriage, his wife or his children. Maybe she even knows more about their deaths than LE knows. Maybe LE didn’t search her past enough. Maybe some of you believe this is all irrelevant now. I am very suspicious of her involvement now. Yes CW did the killing but what did she know and when did she really know it?

I do not see her as a victim anymore of anything.

ETA: The Denver Post quoted her as saying she and CW didn’t discuss a future but her google searches show she was searching wedding dresses, and he was searching jewelry and vacation spots. They were very much into the future.

Well any woman who sleeps with a married man must realize that he will cheat on her too. And even if they do end up getting married, they will both be suspicious of each other throughout their marriage because each knows they’re of low moral character. IMO.

 

[mickey2942]

I would never consider her a victim. She knew he was still married and she continued the relationship anyway. With SW’s social media presence their is no doubt about their married relationship and family and the fact that she was pregnant with his baby. NK did not care and deserves to suffer the consequences.

The woman went out with a married man. Lots of men cheat on their wives, especially pregnant wives. Fortunately, lots of men do not kill their families.

NK had nothing to do with CW killing his family. Nor could anyone even imagine such a terrible scenario. CW no doubt told quite a sob story.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Really sick, and no way he didn't also know the lyrics. I was looking around with no luck, it was said that the video for that "Battery" song about killing a family shows oil tanks at the end. Has anyone else run across that?

OMG.

 

[escape2sc]

didn't the discovery pages say that none of the text messages on the work cell phones were recuperated? They could have used just the work phones for who knows how long.

IIRC , their affair was outed to LE by emails exchanged through the work email system

 

[Johnny1181]

I would never consider her a victim. She knew he was still married and she continued the relationship anyway. With SW’s social media presence their is no doubt about their married relationship and family and the fact that she was pregnant with his baby. NK did not care and deserves to suffer the consequences.

So what? A woman believed a man who made a convincing case that he was divorcing even to the extent of apt shopping and slept with him. Exchanged "kink" with him. Tried to find ways online to please him. Because for some insane reason this guy gets women who want to please him.
Throwing up in my mouth.

What does she deserve to suffer? She believed the lying .

What consequences does she deserve?

jmo

 

[ReckoningDay]

Well any woman who sleeps with a married man must realize that he will cheat on her too. And even if they do end up getting married, they will both be suspicious of each other throughout their marriage because each knows they’re of low moral character. IMO.

Yep. When you "win" a married man, all you've really won is a cheater.

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

What lies did she tell LE? I thought the not being forthcoming issue was with deleted texts.

Her story changed more than once regarding how many times she'd been to the Watts home.

She told LE she was telling him she wanted him to work on his marriage, but really she was sending him nudes and planning vacations with him.

Pretty sure there were other things.

Moo

 

[Soccermom5]

I’m not sure. He’s a robot in regards to his emotional state (empathy and human understanding), but not necessarily when it comes to mundane tasks.

If those bags were packed, I’d take that as a pretty good indication that he wasn’t planning to kill on that particular night.

The communication about the worksite was standard practice, and was done the day before the killings. That alone wasn’t particularly unusual.

I could make a case either way here.

I think he planned to kill his family, but I just can’t say with any degree of certainty that he was going to do it when he ultimately did.

I agree,,its truly baffling...i think he planned to kill them too and the fact that he called his coworker the night before does seem like he planned it that night but his other lack of planning is strange...he did tell Shanann he would go with her to aspen but the DA i think said he planned to take NK..Some say he planned to only kill SW but it sure doesnt sound like NK would ever want to raise “their” girls.. I just wonder how he really thought he could get away with this?? Seems like a better plan would have been for SW to accidentally “fall” while hiking in aspen.. but again, NK wouldnt want to be the new stepmom...he just didnt seem to think any of this through...

 

[PrimeSuspect]

He tries to brush her friend Cassie off. Says "I don't want you to think I am a bad person". She says she doesn't care about him, she's concerned about his wife.

Good for you Cassie! I am glad her friends weren't putting up with him.

Honestly, I feel like Chris viewed reality in such a way, it was like the saying "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" I feel like that's how he was able to live with it. He convinced himself that if no one else found out what he did, it's like it never happened. That's the only way I can understand him having the gall to say that knowing what he did.

That's a good analogy, opalonyx.